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May 16, 2018 16:59:10   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Places Not to go if You Want to Stay Alive. Please don’t miss the last part of this!

This is FASCINATING !!

WORLD MURDER STATISTICS

From the World Health Organization

The latest Murder Statistics for the world:

Murders per 100,000 citizens per year.



Honduras 91.6 (WOW!!)

El Salvador 69.2

Cote d'lvoire 56.9

Jamaica 52.2

Venezuela 45.1

Belize 41.4

US Virgin Islands 39.2

Guatemala 38.5

Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2

Zambia 38.0

Uganda 36.3

Malawi 36.0

Lesotho 35.2

Trinidad and Tobago 35.2

Colombia 33.4

South Africa 31.8

Congo 30.8

Central African Republic 29.3

Bahamas 27.4

Puerto Rico 26.2

Saint Lucia 25.2

Dominican Republic 25.0

Tanzania 24.5

Sudan 24.2

Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9

Ethiopia 22.5

Guinea 22.5

Dominica 22.1

Burundi 21.7

Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7

Panama 21.6

Brazil 21.0

Equatorial Guinea 20.7

Guinea-Bissau 20.2

Kenya 20.1

Kyrgyzstan 20.1

Cameroon 19.7

Montserrat 19.7

Greenland 19.2

Angola 19.0

Guyana 18.6

Burkina Faso 18.0

Eritrea 17.8

Namibia 17.2

Rwanda 17.1

Mexico 16.9

Chad 15.8

Ghana 15.7

Ecuador 15.2

North Korea 15.2

Benin 15.1

Sierra Leone 14.9

Mauritania 14.7

Botswana 14.5

Zimbabwe 14.3

Gabon 13.8

Nicaragua 13.6

French Guiana 13.3

Papua New Guinea 13.0

Swaziland 12.9

Bermuda 12.3

Comoros 12.2

Nigeria 12.2

Cape Verde 11.6

Grenada 11.5

Paraguay 11.5

Barbados 11.3

Togo 10.9

Gambia 10.8

Peru 10.8

Myanmar 10.2

Russia 10.2

Liberia 10.1

Costa Rica 10.0

Nauru 9.8

Bolivia 8.9

Mozambique 8.8

Kazakhstan 8.8

Senegal 8.7

Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7

Mongolia 8.7

British Virgin Islands 8.6

Cayman Islands 8.4

Seychelles 8.3

Madagascar 8.1

Indonesia 8.1

Mali 8.0

Pakistan 7.8

Moldova 7.5

Kiribati 7.3

Guadeloupe 7.0

Haiti 6.9

Timor-Leste 6.9

Anguilla 6.8

Antigua and Barbuda 6.8

Lithuania 6.6

Uruguay 5.9

Philippines 5.4

Ukraine 5.2

Estonia 5.2

Cuba 5.0

Belarus 4.9

Thailand 4.8

Suriname 4.6

Laos 4.6

Georgia 4.3

Martinique 4.2

And .........The United States 4.2

ALL (109) of the countries above America, HAVE gun bans.

It might be of interest to note that SWITZERLAND is not shown on this list,

and that is because it has... NO MURDER OCCURRENCE!

However, SWITZERLAND'S law requires that EVERYONE:

1. Own a gun.

2. Maintain Marksman qualifications ... regularly .

Did you learn anything from this??

I think the message is - loud and clear...

Reply
May 16, 2018 17:01:55   #
bahmer
 
buffalo wrote:
Places Not to go if You Want to Stay Alive. Please don’t miss the last part of this!

This is FASCINATING !!

WORLD MURDER STATISTICS

From the World Health Organization

The latest Murder Statistics for the world:

Murders per 100,000 citizens per year.



Honduras 91.6 (WOW!!)

El Salvador 69.2

Cote d'lvoire 56.9

Jamaica 52.2

Venezuela 45.1

Belize 41.4

US Virgin Islands 39.2

Guatemala 38.5

Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2

Zambia 38.0

Uganda 36.3

Malawi 36.0

Lesotho 35.2

Trinidad and Tobago 35.2

Colombia 33.4

South Africa 31.8

Congo 30.8

Central African Republic 29.3

Bahamas 27.4

Puerto Rico 26.2

Saint Lucia 25.2

Dominican Republic 25.0

Tanzania 24.5

Sudan 24.2

Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9

Ethiopia 22.5

Guinea 22.5

Dominica 22.1

Burundi 21.7

Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7

Panama 21.6

Brazil 21.0

Equatorial Guinea 20.7

Guinea-Bissau 20.2

Kenya 20.1

Kyrgyzstan 20.1

Cameroon 19.7

Montserrat 19.7

Greenland 19.2

Angola 19.0

Guyana 18.6

Burkina Faso 18.0

Eritrea 17.8

Namibia 17.2

Rwanda 17.1

Mexico 16.9

Chad 15.8

Ghana 15.7

Ecuador 15.2

North Korea 15.2

Benin 15.1

Sierra Leone 14.9

Mauritania 14.7

Botswana 14.5

Zimbabwe 14.3

Gabon 13.8

Nicaragua 13.6

French Guiana 13.3

Papua New Guinea 13.0

Swaziland 12.9

Bermuda 12.3

Comoros 12.2

Nigeria 12.2

Cape Verde 11.6

Grenada 11.5

Paraguay 11.5

Barbados 11.3

Togo 10.9

Gambia 10.8

Peru 10.8

Myanmar 10.2

Russia 10.2

Liberia 10.1

Costa Rica 10.0

Nauru 9.8

Bolivia 8.9

Mozambique 8.8

Kazakhstan 8.8

Senegal 8.7

Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7

Mongolia 8.7

British Virgin Islands 8.6

Cayman Islands 8.4

Seychelles 8.3

Madagascar 8.1

Indonesia 8.1

Mali 8.0

Pakistan 7.8

Moldova 7.5

Kiribati 7.3

Guadeloupe 7.0

Haiti 6.9

Timor-Leste 6.9

Anguilla 6.8

Antigua and Barbuda 6.8

Lithuania 6.6

Uruguay 5.9

Philippines 5.4

Ukraine 5.2

Estonia 5.2

Cuba 5.0

Belarus 4.9

Thailand 4.8

Suriname 4.6

Laos 4.6

Georgia 4.3

Martinique 4.2

And .........The United States 4.2

ALL (109) of the countries above America, HAVE gun bans.

It might be of interest to note that SWITZERLAND is not shown on this list,

and that is because it has... NO MURDER OCCURRENCE!

However, SWITZERLAND'S law requires that EVERYONE:

1. Own a gun.

2. Maintain Marksman qualifications ... regularly .

Did you learn anything from this??

I think the message is - loud and clear...
Places Not to go if You Want to Stay Alive. Please... (show quote)


It should be but there are some of the liberals and RINO's that need it spelled out in big black letters for them and they may still not get the message or picture.

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May 16, 2018 17:04:20   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
bahmer wrote:
It should be but there are some of the liberals and RINO's that need it spelled out in big black letters for them and they may still not get the message or picture.


That's because they don't want to deal with reality or the t***h.

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May 16, 2018 17:08:07   #
bahmer
 
buffalo wrote:
That's because they don't want to deal with reality or the t***h.


I thought that you were a liberal or are you just a Trump h**er?

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May 16, 2018 18:11:07   #
PeterS
 
buffalo wrote:
Places Not to go if You Want to Stay Alive. Please don’t miss the last part of this!

This is FASCINATING !!

WORLD MURDER STATISTICS

From the World Health Organization

The latest Murder Statistics for the world:

Murders per 100,000 citizens per year.



Honduras 91.6 (WOW!!)

El Salvador 69.2

Cote d'lvoire 56.9

Jamaica 52.2

Venezuela 45.1

Belize 41.4

US Virgin Islands 39.2

Guatemala 38.5

Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2

Zambia 38.0

Uganda 36.3

Malawi 36.0

Lesotho 35.2

Trinidad and Tobago 35.2

Colombia 33.4

South Africa 31.8

Congo 30.8

Central African Republic 29.3

Bahamas 27.4

Puerto Rico 26.2

Saint Lucia 25.2

Dominican Republic 25.0

Tanzania 24.5

Sudan 24.2

Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9

Ethiopia 22.5

Guinea 22.5

Dominica 22.1

Burundi 21.7

Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7

Panama 21.6

Brazil 21.0

Equatorial Guinea 20.7

Guinea-Bissau 20.2

Kenya 20.1

Kyrgyzstan 20.1

Cameroon 19.7

Montserrat 19.7

Greenland 19.2

Angola 19.0

Guyana 18.6

Burkina Faso 18.0

Eritrea 17.8

Namibia 17.2

Rwanda 17.1

Mexico 16.9

Chad 15.8

Ghana 15.7

Ecuador 15.2

North Korea 15.2

Benin 15.1

Sierra Leone 14.9

Mauritania 14.7

Botswana 14.5

Zimbabwe 14.3

Gabon 13.8

Nicaragua 13.6

French Guiana 13.3

Papua New Guinea 13.0

Swaziland 12.9

Bermuda 12.3

Comoros 12.2

Nigeria 12.2

Cape Verde 11.6

Grenada 11.5

Paraguay 11.5

Barbados 11.3

Togo 10.9

Gambia 10.8

Peru 10.8

Myanmar 10.2

Russia 10.2

Liberia 10.1

Costa Rica 10.0

Nauru 9.8

Bolivia 8.9

Mozambique 8.8

Kazakhstan 8.8

Senegal 8.7

Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7

Mongolia 8.7

British Virgin Islands 8.6

Cayman Islands 8.4

Seychelles 8.3

Madagascar 8.1

Indonesia 8.1

Mali 8.0

Pakistan 7.8

Moldova 7.5

Kiribati 7.3

Guadeloupe 7.0

Haiti 6.9

Timor-Leste 6.9

Anguilla 6.8

Antigua and Barbuda 6.8

Lithuania 6.6

Uruguay 5.9

Philippines 5.4

Ukraine 5.2

Estonia 5.2

Cuba 5.0

Belarus 4.9

Thailand 4.8

Suriname 4.6

Laos 4.6

Georgia 4.3

Martinique 4.2

And .........The United States 4.2

ALL (109) of the countries above America, HAVE gun bans.

It might be of interest to note that SWITZERLAND is not shown on this list,

and that is because it has... NO MURDER OCCURRENCE!

However, SWITZERLAND'S law requires that EVERYONE:

1. Own a gun.

2. Maintain Marksman qualifications ... regularly .

Did you learn anything from this??

I think the message is - loud and clear...
Places Not to go if You Want to Stay Alive. Please... (show quote)


Snip<<Switzerland thus has a relatively high gun ownership rate. There are no official statistics, and estimates vary considerably. The Small Arms Survey of 2016 placed Swiss gun ownership per capita at 24.45%.

In 2016, the defence ministry estimated that 2 million privately owned guns are in circulation, which given a population of 8.3 million corresponds to a gun ownership rate of around 24 guns per 100 residents. This is roughly a quarter of the rate in the United States, and lower than that in the neighbouring countries of Germany, and Austria, but about the double of Italy and France.

Homicide

Further information: List of countries by intentional homicide rate
In 2016, there were 187 attempted and 45 completed homicides, for a homicide rate of 0.50 per 100,000 population. Of the 232 cases, 123 were committed with bladed weapons, 47 with firearms and 30 unarmed. Out of 217 identified suspects, 187 were male and 30 female; 115 (53%) were foreigners (62 foreigners with permanent residence, and 63 foreigners without permanent residence, including asylum seekers) and 102 (47%) were Swiss citizens. 19 cases (42%) of completed and 52 cases (28%) of attempted homicide were classed as domestic violence.


Switzerland doesn't require all it's citizens to own gun though all able bodied citizens are required to serve in the military and as our founders intended with our own m*****a to be armed in order to do so.

Any time something sounds too good Buffalo you should facts check it because in all likeliness it is.

Oh, one thing you neglected to point out is that the United States has a murder rate comparable to third world countries. Do you really think that's something to jump up and down about?

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/30/v***l-image/v***l-flawed-post-compares-honduras-switzerland-gu/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland

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May 16, 2018 18:12:21   #
PeterS
 
buffalo wrote:
That's because they don't want to deal with reality or the t***h.

You mean like you? You didn't even check to see if the myth you were perpetuating was true!

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May 16, 2018 18:42:36   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
buffalo wrote:
Places Not to go if You Want to Stay Alive. Please don’t miss the last part of this!

This is FASCINATING !!

WORLD MURDER STATISTICS

From the World Health Organization

The latest Murder Statistics for the world:

Murders per 100,000 citizens per year.



Honduras 91.6 (WOW!!)

El Salvador 69.2

Cote d'lvoire 56.9

Jamaica 52.2

Venezuela 45.1

Belize 41.4

US Virgin Islands 39.2

Guatemala 38.5

Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2

Zambia 38.0

Uganda 36.3

Malawi 36.0

Lesotho 35.2

Trinidad and Tobago 35.2

Colombia 33.4

South Africa 31.8

Congo 30.8

Central African Republic 29.3

Bahamas 27.4

Puerto Rico 26.2

Saint Lucia 25.2

Dominican Republic 25.0

Tanzania 24.5

Sudan 24.2

Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9

Ethiopia 22.5

Guinea 22.5

Dominica 22.1

Burundi 21.7

Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7

Panama 21.6

Brazil 21.0

Equatorial Guinea 20.7

Guinea-Bissau 20.2

Kenya 20.1

Kyrgyzstan 20.1

Cameroon 19.7

Montserrat 19.7

Greenland 19.2

Angola 19.0

Guyana 18.6

Burkina Faso 18.0

Eritrea 17.8

Namibia 17.2

Rwanda 17.1

Mexico 16.9

Chad 15.8

Ghana 15.7

Ecuador 15.2

North Korea 15.2

Benin 15.1

Sierra Leone 14.9

Mauritania 14.7

Botswana 14.5

Zimbabwe 14.3

Gabon 13.8

Nicaragua 13.6

French Guiana 13.3

Papua New Guinea 13.0

Swaziland 12.9

Bermuda 12.3

Comoros 12.2

Nigeria 12.2

Cape Verde 11.6

Grenada 11.5

Paraguay 11.5

Barbados 11.3

Togo 10.9

Gambia 10.8

Peru 10.8

Myanmar 10.2

Russia 10.2

Liberia 10.1

Costa Rica 10.0

Nauru 9.8

Bolivia 8.9

Mozambique 8.8

Kazakhstan 8.8

Senegal 8.7

Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7

Mongolia 8.7

British Virgin Islands 8.6

Cayman Islands 8.4

Seychelles 8.3

Madagascar 8.1

Indonesia 8.1

Mali 8.0

Pakistan 7.8

Moldova 7.5

Kiribati 7.3

Guadeloupe 7.0

Haiti 6.9

Timor-Leste 6.9

Anguilla 6.8

Antigua and Barbuda 6.8

Lithuania 6.6

Uruguay 5.9

Philippines 5.4

Ukraine 5.2

Estonia 5.2

Cuba 5.0

Belarus 4.9

Thailand 4.8

Suriname 4.6

Laos 4.6

Georgia 4.3

Martinique 4.2

And .........The United States 4.2

ALL (109) of the countries above America, HAVE gun bans.

It might be of interest to note that SWITZERLAND is not shown on this list,

and that is because it has... NO MURDER OCCURRENCE!

However, SWITZERLAND'S law requires that EVERYONE:

1. Own a gun.

2. Maintain Marksman qualifications ... regularly .

Did you learn anything from this??

I think the message is - loud and clear...
Places Not to go if You Want to Stay Alive. Please... (show quote)
Switzerland maintained neutrality throughout the Second World War. After the war ended, a former Wehrmacht General paid a visit to Switzerland's defense minister. The general knew that the Swiss maintained a 100,000 man standing army and asked the minister how the Swiss soldiers would have stopped an invasion by a 200,000 man German army. The minister said, "They would shoot twice."

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May 16, 2018 18:45:10   #
bahmer
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Switzerland maintained neutrality throughout the Second World War. After the war ended, a former Wehrmacht General paid a visit to Switzerland's defense minister. The general knew that the Swiss maintained a 100,000 man standing army and asked the minister how the Swiss soldiers would have stopped an invasion by a 200,000 man German army. The minister said, "They would shoot twice."


Excellent loved it.

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May 16, 2018 18:58:14   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
You mean like you? You didn't even check to see if the myth you were perpetuating was true!
Gosh, Pete, your ballistic coefficient is very high, doesn't take much for you to fire at something irrelevant, does it? Buffalo provided accurate homicide stats for a long list of countries, and you set your sights on Switzerland?? What's up with that? Do those homicide stats trouble you, especially where the United States is at the bottom? We know you really wish the US was at the top, but in reality, Honduras, Guatemala and Venezuela are vying for the top slot. You should spend some time at a shooting range, figuratively speaking, maybe with some practice you might actually hit a target.

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May 16, 2018 19:25:13   #
moldyoldy
 
one murder in a place that has two people is 50 percent, because of the population of the US, these comparisons make no sense.

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May 16, 2018 20:08:42   #
PeterS
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Gosh, Pete, your ballistic coefficient is very high, doesn't take much for you to fire at something irrelevant, does it? Buffalo provided accurate homicide stats for a long list of countries, and you set your sights on Switzerland?? What's up with that? Do those homicide stats trouble you, especially where the United States is at the bottom? We know you really wish the US was at the top, but in reality, Honduras, Guatemala and Venezuela are vying for the top slot. You should spend some time at a shooting range, figuratively speaking, maybe with some practice you might actually hit a target.
Gosh, Pete, your ballistic coefficient is very hig... (show quote)


Read what he wrote: he said the US wasn't at the bottom; he gave that spot to Switzerland which he implied held such a low spot because all of it's citizens were required to carry a gun. This of course is a lie, er myth, because only 24% of the population is armed and that included those in the military. So it's not that I have a problem with homicide stats--I have a problem with statistical fallacies used to promote a lie as the t***h.

Buffalo could of course discovered this on his own but as you cons continually do--if it's something you want to believe then naturally it's true.

This of course is the problem when you are raised on logical fallacies--you lack the ability to understand t***h from a lie and therefore propagate the latter in the belief that it's the former...

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May 16, 2018 21:02:07   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
Read what he wrote: he said the US wasn't at the bottom; he gave that spot to Switzerland which he implied held such a low spot because all of it's citizens were required to carry a gun. This of course is a lie, er myth, because only 24% of the population is armed and that included those in the military. So it's not that I have a problem with homicide stats--I have a problem with statistical fallacies used to promote a lie as the t***h.

Buffalo could of course discovered this on his own but as you cons continually do--if it's something you want to believe then naturally it's true.

This of course is the problem when you are raised on logical fallacies--you lack the ability to understand t***h from a lie and therefore propagate the latter in the belief that it's the former...
Read what he wrote: he said the US wasn't at the b... (show quote)
Wow, you sure can pick nits, make mountains out of molehills just to get your obsessions on record. OK, so there are murders in Switzerland and not all Swiss are required to possess guns, so what? Had Buffalo intentionally omitted that, you might accuse him of lying, or creating a myth, or a statistical fallacy, but he didn't, he merely made an honest mistake.

Some years ago I was involved with a flight training program established to train foreign students up to obtaining an FAA private license. One group of students included 6 Germans, 1 Austrian, 2 Brits, and 3 Swiss. (Victorinox was one of our sponsors, along with funds, they shipped us a case of Swiss knives).

When the students had trained enough for cross country flying, we packed up two vans, two RVs, and with 3 airplanes, embarked on a month long cross country adventure from Iowa to the west coast and back. During that trip, I had many extraordinary conversations and experiences with these young men. One 18 year old Swiss lad wanted to become a fighter pilot but he was color blind. He told me that once he returned home he would, as required, enlist in the Swiss Army. I was well aware then as I am now that the Swiss require all able bodied young men to serve and that they would be allowed to keep their weapons, gear, and ammo in their homes, just in case. (Similar to why we Americans are grateful for the right to bear arms). I am also aware that not all Swiss citizens are required to possess firearms.

So, don't try to unload your "logical fallacy" bulls**t on me. FYI: not everything can be explained through logic.

The point of Buffalo's post is the homicide stats show where America stands in relation to those countries with severe or prohibitive gun control laws. But, you couldn't help going off on a wild tangent to get in your digs. And you call us out on logical fallacies.

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May 16, 2018 21:15:48   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
buffalo wrote:
Places Not to go if You Want to Stay Alive. Please don’t miss the last part of this!

This is FASCINATING !!

WORLD MURDER STATISTICS

From the World Health Organization

The latest Murder Statistics for the world:

Murders per 100,000 citizens per year.



Honduras 91.6 (WOW!!)

El Salvador 69.2

Cote d'lvoire 56.9

Jamaica 52.2

Venezuela 45.1

Belize 41.4

US Virgin Islands 39.2

Guatemala 38.5

Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2

Zambia 38.0

Uganda 36.3

Malawi 36.0

Lesotho 35.2

Trinidad and Tobago 35.2

Colombia 33.4

South Africa 31.8

Congo 30.8

Central African Republic 29.3

Bahamas 27.4

Puerto Rico 26.2

Saint Lucia 25.2

Dominican Republic 25.0

Tanzania 24.5

Sudan 24.2

Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9

Ethiopia 22.5

Guinea 22.5

Dominica 22.1

Burundi 21.7

Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7

Panama 21.6

Brazil 21.0

Equatorial Guinea 20.7

Guinea-Bissau 20.2

Kenya 20.1

Kyrgyzstan 20.1

Cameroon 19.7

Montserrat 19.7

Greenland 19.2

Angola 19.0

Guyana 18.6

Burkina Faso 18.0

Eritrea 17.8

Namibia 17.2

Rwanda 17.1

Mexico 16.9

Chad 15.8

Ghana 15.7

Ecuador 15.2

North Korea 15.2

Benin 15.1

Sierra Leone 14.9

Mauritania 14.7

Botswana 14.5

Zimbabwe 14.3

Gabon 13.8

Nicaragua 13.6

French Guiana 13.3

Papua New Guinea 13.0

Swaziland 12.9

Bermuda 12.3

Comoros 12.2

Nigeria 12.2

Cape Verde 11.6

Grenada 11.5

Paraguay 11.5

Barbados 11.3

Togo 10.9

Gambia 10.8

Peru 10.8

Myanmar 10.2

Russia 10.2

Liberia 10.1

Costa Rica 10.0

Nauru 9.8

Bolivia 8.9

Mozambique 8.8

Kazakhstan 8.8

Senegal 8.7

Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7

Mongolia 8.7

British Virgin Islands 8.6

Cayman Islands 8.4

Seychelles 8.3

Madagascar 8.1

Indonesia 8.1

Mali 8.0

Pakistan 7.8

Moldova 7.5

Kiribati 7.3

Guadeloupe 7.0

Haiti 6.9

Timor-Leste 6.9

Anguilla 6.8

Antigua and Barbuda 6.8

Lithuania 6.6

Uruguay 5.9

Philippines 5.4

Ukraine 5.2

Estonia 5.2

Cuba 5.0

Belarus 4.9

Thailand 4.8

Suriname 4.6

Laos 4.6

Georgia 4.3

Martinique 4.2

And .........The United States 4.2

ALL (109) of the countries above America, HAVE gun bans.

It might be of interest to note that SWITZERLAND is not shown on this list,

and that is because it has... NO MURDER OCCURRENCE!

However, SWITZERLAND'S law requires that EVERYONE:

1. Own a gun.

2. Maintain Marksman qualifications ... regularly .

Did you learn anything from this??

I think the message is - loud and clear...
Places Not to go if You Want to Stay Alive. Please... (show quote)


Switzerland is neutral until someone invades...which they obviously know.

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May 17, 2018 02:14:35   #
PeterS
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Wow, you sure can pick nits, make mountains out of molehills just to get your obsessions on record. OK, so there are murders in Switzerland and not all Swiss are required to possess guns, so what? Had Buffalo intentionally omitted that, you might accuse him of lying, or creating a myth, or a statistical fallacy, but he didn't, he merely made an honest mistake.

Some years ago I was involved with a flight training program established to train foreign students up to obtaining an FAA private license. One group of students included 6 Germans, 1 Austrian, 2 Brits, and 3 Swiss. (Victorinox was one of our sponsors, along with funds, they shipped us a case of Swiss knives).

When the students had trained enough for cross country flying, we packed up two vans, two RVs, and with 3 airplanes, embarked on a month long cross country adventure from Iowa to the west coast and back. During that trip, I had many extraordinary conversations and experiences with these young men. One 18 year old Swiss lad wanted to become a fighter pilot but he was color blind. He told me that once he returned home he would, as required, enlist in the Swiss Army. I was well aware then as I am now that the Swiss require all able bodied young men to serve and that they would be allowed to keep their weapons, gear, and ammo in their homes, just in case. (Similar to why we Americans are grateful for the right to bear arms). I am also aware that not all Swiss citizens are required to possess firearms.

So, don't try to unload your "logical fallacy" bulls**t on me. FYI: not everything can be explained through logic.

The point of Buffalo's post is the homicide stats show where America stands in relation to those countries with severe or prohibitive gun control laws. But, you couldn't help going off on a wild tangent to get in your digs. And you call us out on logical fallacies.
Wow, you sure can pick nits, make mountains out of... (show quote)


Had Buffalo omitted that then his whole--the more guns a society has the lower the murder rate is--fallacy would have fallen apart. You of course are oblivious to that because you live a life constructed around fallacies so his made perfect sense. And no, what the statistics Buffalo presented was an example of how we stacked up to third world countries--which, if we are one, then we are doing pretty good.

As for Switzerland they have a per capita income of 89K a year. If I were to guess why the violence rate so low it's because the quality of life for the majority of citizens is so high not the myth of the number of guns in the hands of their citizens.

What it comes down to Blade is whether you people want an honest discussion on guns and the only conclusion I can draw, based on your arguments, is that you don't. No, instead you want to build up fallacies everywhere you can all so you can back an argument that is you don't know if it is true or false because you have never examined it logically.

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May 17, 2018 05:34:45   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
My apologies. I received what I posted in an email from a friend with no source cited. I did not verify its validity, especially with regards to Switzerland because I had heard that gun ownership was required.

After checking several sources (as I should have before posting) this is what I come up with:

But, again, Switzerland does not require "citizens to own guns."

The government issues a gun to men for their mandatory military service, but the gun is taken home under "carefully controlled conditions without ammunition," said Mikton, the WHO officer who is also Swiss.

"As soon as they have finished their military service — typically around 30 years of age — they have to return the gun," he said."

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/sep/30/v***l-image/v***l-flawed-post-compares-honduras-switzerland-gu/

"Switzerland trails behind only the U.S, Yemen and Serbia in the number of guns per capita; between 2.3 million and 4.5 million military and private firearms are estimated to be in circulation in a country of only 8 million people. Yet, despite the prevalence of guns, the violent-crime rate is low: government figures show about 0.5 gun homicides per 100,000 inhabitants in 2010. By comparison, the U.S rate in the same year was about 5 firearm k*****gs per 100,000 people, according to a 2011 U.N. report."

http://world.time.com/2012/12/20/the-swiss-difference-a-gun-culture-that-works/

"In America then, gun ownership is about self-defence whereas in Switzerland it is seen more in terms of national security. To many traditionalists, a gun in the home has become a metaphor for an independent, well-fortified Switzerland which has helped to keep the country out of two world wars.

Hermann Suter, vice-president of the Swiss lobbying group Pro Tell, is infuriated by calls that the Swiss military should give up their guns and store them in a central arsenal.

"It is a question of trust between the state and the citizen. The citizen is not just a citizen, he is also a soldier, " he reminds me. "The gun at home is the best way to avoid dictatorships - only dictators take arms away from the citizens."

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21379912

"Analysis of Switzerland does demolish the simplistic notion "more guns, more gun crime." More important than the number of guns is their cultural context. In Switzerland, guns are an important element of a cohesive social structure that keeps crime low.

The same point might be made about guns. Although guns are more available to the Swiss, Swiss gun culture is more authoritarian than America's. Gun ownership is a mandatory community duty, not a matter of individual free choice. In Switzerland, defence of the nation is not a job for professional soldiers or for people who join the army to learn technical sk**ls for civilian jobs. Defence of the nation is the responsibility of every male citizen."

http://www.guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html

Again my apologies.

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