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May 7, 2018 18:14:18   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
working class stiff wrote:
How do you determine whether the hearing is unfair? Trump may have trapped himself with all the lies and contradictions he has said.

Since no one knows what evidence he has gathered, it is also jumping the gun to state that the investigation is unfair. I understand the legal right to plead the 5th, but like the President, my radar goes up when I hear that. And that includes the President.


A federal judge will explain that in legal terms very soon...and in the meantime, the IG report is about to come out.

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May 7, 2018 18:45:02   #
boatbob2
 
As Ive been saying all along,IF,Donald meets with meuller,It will be like walking into a minefield,with the mines planted 3 inches apart !!!!!!!!!!

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May 7, 2018 19:24:40   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
BigMike wrote:
More distraction. Trump could delay this for a long time regardless. He won't take the 5th anytime soon and in the meantime there's lots of stuff going on.


Well, when you put it that way, yeah....delay is a tactic that might work for Trump, and there is a lot going on that doesn't relate to him. As a N. Carolinian, I am familiar with the 4 corner offense.


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May 7, 2018 19:26:38   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
BigMike wrote:
A federal judge will explain that in legal terms very soon...and in the meantime, the IG report is about to come out.


I suspect that it will be the SCOTUS that will have the final say about this set of issues.

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May 7, 2018 19:43:12   #
PeterS
 
mongo wrote:
If Mueller was not trying to trap President Trump, and was having a fair hearing,
I would think there would be no problem. However, that is not the case!

SEMPER FI

A perjury trap wouldn't hold up in court.

Snip>>A perjury trap is created when the government calls a witness before the grand jury for the primary purpose of obtaining testimony from him in order to prosecute him later for perjury. When testimony is elicited before a grand jury that is attempting to obtain useful information in furtherance of its investigation, or conducting a legitimate investigation into crimes which had in fact taken place within its jurisdiction, the perjury trap doctrine is, by definition, inapplicable. [United States v. Chen, 933 F.2d 793 (9th Cir. Guam 1991)]

The phrase ‘perjury trap’ suggests the deliberate use of a judicial proceeding to secure perjured testimony, a concept in itself abhorant.[United States v. Simone, 627 F. Supp. 1264, 1268 (D.N.J. 1986)]

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May 7, 2018 20:46:10   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
working class stiff wrote:
I suspect that it will be the SCOTUS that will have the final say about this set of issues.


It has to go there. If I didn't know any better I'd say this was a big charade to give incumbents a little civics lesson.

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May 7, 2018 22:36:27   #
woodguru
 
mongo wrote:
If Mueller was not trying to trap President Trump, and was having a fair hearing,
I would think there would be no problem. However, that is not the case!

SEMPER FI


Telling the t***h is a trap? Only if Mueller knows the answers to the questions before they are asked.

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May 7, 2018 22:58:26   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
woodguru wrote:
Telling the t***h is a trap? Only if Mueller knows the answers to the questions before they are asked.


Faugh. You ooze sincerity.

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May 8, 2018 01:15:18   #
PeterS
 
woodguru wrote:
Telling the t***h is a trap? Only if Mueller knows the answers to the questions before they are asked.

Trump doesn't know how to tell the t***h. As disjointed mentally as Rudy is he has enough awareness to know that. Rudy's interview with George Stephanopoulos will go down as an absolute classic!

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May 8, 2018 01:51:45   #
eden
 
PeterS wrote:
Trump doesn't know how to tell the t***h. As disjointed mentally as Rudy is he has enough awareness to know that. Rudy's interview with George Stephanopoulos will go down as an absolute classic!


Rudy stammered his way through this interview looking like he was frightened out his wits and with good reason. He knows he is defending the indefensible and these shrill prevarications only made Trump look even more guilty.
Some Lawyer. But then Trump scrapes the barrel for most of his “peeps” because no self respecting legal firm will touch his radioactive Presidency.

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May 8, 2018 01:54:16   #
PeterS
 
eden wrote:
Rudy stammered his way through this interview looking like he was frightened out his wits and with good reason. He knows he is defending the indefensible and these shrill prevarications only made Trump look even more guilty.
Some Lawyer. But then Trump scrapes the barrel for most of his “peeps” because no self respecting legal firm will touch his radioactive Presidency.

I'm just amazed that Trump allows him to keep on stammering. He is in no way helping Trumps case yet Trump allows him to keep stammering along.

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May 8, 2018 07:35:46   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
woodguru wrote:
Telling the t***h is a trap? Only if Mueller knows the answers to the questions before they are asked.
don't play stupid.

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May 8, 2018 07:42:33   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
woodguru wrote:
For a president the fifth is an admission of guilt, if a dem tried it the GOP would try to impeach in a New York minute.


Many dems have taken the 5th, so you agree they are guilty.. Nine of them under BO.. Speaks voumes doesn’t~~ I mean as far as your concerned anyway🙄~~
Were any of them brought up on impeachment, of course not..

We’ll not forget Flynn and add these people..

Who can forget about IRS Director, Lois Lerner who pled the Fifth Amendment twice over allegations that the IRS had “targeted conservative nonprofit groups for additional scrutiny of their applications for tax-exempt status.”

The first time Lerner plead the Fifth Amendment was in May 2013, while appearing before the Senate Finance Committee. The second time Lerner pled the Fifth Amendment was in March 2014 while appearing before the House Oversight Committee.


In April 2012, General Services Administration (GSA)’s Jeffrey Neely invoked his Fifth Amendment right when the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee called Neely to testify about improper spending.

Neely also invoked his Fifth Amendment right after photos emerged of Neely sitting in a bathtub with wine at GSA’s Western Regions Conference in 2010 in Las Vegas, which spent $822,000 in taxpayer money.


Patrick Cunningham, chief of the criminal division of the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Arizona, invoked his Fifth Amendment in January 2012 in connection with the Fast and Furious scandal.

Deputy Director of the IRS Greg Roseman pled the Fifth in January 2013, after Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) started asking Roseman about “panel findings that he helped a friend procure potentially $500 million worth of IRS contracts.”

Then there is the former State Department Employee Bryan Pagliano, who famously invoked his Fifth Amendment right over his involvement in setting up Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s private email server in September 2015.

Former Department of Veterans Affairs officials John Sepulveda, Diana Rubens, and Kimberly Graves, as well as former Environmental Protection Agency official John Beale, all invoked their Fifth Amendment rights as well.

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May 8, 2018 07:47:05   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
woodguru wrote:
Telling the t***h is a trap? Only if Mueller knows the answers to the questions before they are asked.


Trump would be an i***t to voluntarily sit down with that snake Mueller!!
I keep telling you the burdon of proof is on Mueller, not Trump..

Let him file his charges snd lets rocknroll from there!

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May 8, 2018 07:51:25   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
lindajoy wrote:
Trump would be an i***t to voluntarily sit down with that snake Mueller!!
I keep telling you the burdon of prove is on Mueller, not Trump..

Let him file his charges snd lets rocknroll from there!
Mueller's political theatre will soon have an actual investigation to be compared with.

The IG report will show the crimes Mueller has ignored on this witch Hunt.

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