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May 8, 2018 21:57:11   #
debeda
 
rumitoid wrote:
You may be right. Prove it! Lay out the law.


Not Ricks job to give you a civics lesson.

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May 8, 2018 21:57:24   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
rumitoid wrote:
Are you in a bunker? Silly to respond to someone so in the blind.
Listen carefully, with an impartial and objective mind

You might also study the Constitution of the United States rather than parrot the Marxist Manifesto or quote from Mao's "little red book".

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May 9, 2018 00:26:12   #
Radiance3
 
rumitoid wrote:
Threatening Rosenstein with impeachment for not providing documents during an ongoing investigation, which would be illegal to do so, is a Republican Party partisan gimmick to taint that investigation.

Congress is in no way, shape, or form entitled to those documents. It is not, as claimed by Congress, a lack of t***sparency but a matter of statute. Like the House Intelligence Committee chairman's Nunes shenanigans to protect the president and then the Committee closing their investigation early, with many obvious--glaring--unanswered questions and contradictions and evidence to the contrary. A total sham.
Threatening Rosenstein with impeachment for not pr... (show quote)

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Nonsense! DOJ and FBI are holding millions of ILLEGAL documents of Hillary Clinton, Obama, Comey, Rosenstein, Mueller and his illegal gangsters, the FBI.

All those documents under subpoena must be presented to Congress.
DOJ is under the president. The president could fire Session. Session could fire Rosenstein. And the FBI's are all under DOJ. Mueller's appointment and his gangsters were all illegal. Mueller's stay for fishing expedition has been illegal.
Mueller needs to go, along with everyone in his army.

Mueller will end up under investigation.

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May 9, 2018 05:48:14   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Nonsense! DOJ and FBI are holding millions of ILLEGAL documents of Hillary Clinton, Obama, Comey, Rosenstein, Mueller and his illegal gangsters, the FBI.

All those documents under subpoena must be presented to Congress.
DOJ is under the president. The president could fire Session. Session could fire Rosenstein. And the FBI's are all under DOJ. Mueller's appointment and his gangsters were all illegal. Mueller's stay for fishing expedition has been illegal.
Mueller needs to go, along with everyone in his army.

Mueller will end up under investigation.
================== br Nonsense! DOJ and FBI are ho... (show quote)


The longer Mueller d**gs his feet in presenting his findings to the House of representatives the more it looks like he has been bought off by the swamp dwelling Demon-Rats to wait until after the mid term e******ns hoping to get control of both houses so they can railroad the President.

The evidence, found by Mueller will be presented to the House of Representatives and they will consider it and will dismiss or charge the President then a bill of charges will be presented to Congress who shall act as the jury and return a guilty or not guilty decision.

Republicans need to get out and v**e to prevent this is you love the American freedoms and way of life.

God bless America and President Trump

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May 9, 2018 07:41:11   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
rumitoid wrote:
The blatant offense of the Confederate (Cinderella and disgraced) Battle F**g. You have that right to display that offense to humanity, as I have that right to go to where your kids or grandkids go to school and call out the r****m of that symbol of their father or grandfather. You may feel that under Trump your views have an actual place, but they do not. The lack of humanity and consciousness to display such a heinous icon of treachery and attack on liberty is beyond my scope of understanding. Nothing a sane or decent person would be capable of. However you may think of your Southern heritage--and, yes, brave man did died and sacrifice not for s***ery but their homeland and families--but the point was to maintain an economy of s***ery. That was the state's rights they argued for.

Which is not to say that there were some of your comments I appreciated. Gestures, big or small, mean something.
The blatant offense of the Confederate (Cinderella... (show quote)


LOL! May my avatar blatantly offend you. What has it got to do with the topic at hand which you are so ignorantly contending that Congress, especially the House Judiciary Committee, has no oversight authority of the DoJ. YOUR WRONG, Rosey!

https://fas.org/irp/congress/2016_hr/doj-oversight.pdf

"A review of the historical experience pertinent to congressional access to information regarding
the law enforcement activities of the Department of Justice indicates that the vast majority of
requests for materials are resolved through political negotiation and accommodation, without the
need for judicial resolution. Absent an executive privilege claim or a statute barring disclosure
there appears to be no court precedent imposing a threshold burden on committees to demonstrate
a “substantial reason to believe wrongdoing occurred” in order to obtain information. Instead, an
inquiring committee need only show that the information sought is within the broad subject
matter of its authorized jurisdiction, is in aid of a legitimate legislative function, and is pertinent
to the area of concern. In the last 85 years, Congress has consistently sought and obtained access
to information concerning prosecutorial misconduct by Department of Justice officials in closed
cases; and access to pre-decisional deliberative prosecutorial memoranda—while often resisted
by the Department—is usually released upon committee insistence, as well.

The Legal Basis for Oversight
Constitutional Authority to Perform Oversight and Investigative
Inquiries
Generally, Congress’s authority and power to obtain information, including, but not limited to,
classified and/or confidential information, is extremely broad. While there is no express provision
of the Constitution or specific statute authorizing the conduct of congressional oversight or
investigations, the Supreme Court has firmly established that such power is essential to the
legislative function as to be implied from the general vesting of legislative powers in Congress.7
In Eastland v. United States Serviceman’s Fund, for instance, the Court stated that the “scope of
its power of inquiry ... is as penetrating and far-reaching as the potential power to enact and
appropriate under the Constitution.”8
Also, in Watkins v. United States, the Court emphasized that
the “power of the Congress to conduct investigations is inherent in the legislative process. That
power is broad. It encompasses inquiries concerning the administration of existing laws as well as
proposed or possibly needed statutes.”9
The Court further stressed that Congress’s power to
investigate is at its peak when focusing on alleged waste, fraud, abuse, or maladministration
within a government department. Specifically, the Court explained that the investigative power
“comprehends probes into departments of the federal government to expose corruption,
inefficiency, or waste.”10 The Court went on to note that the first Congresses held “inquiries
dealing with suspected corruption or mismanagement of government officials.”11 Given these
factors, the Court recognized “the power of the Congress to inquire into and publicize corruption,
maladministration, or inefficiencies in the agencies of Government.”12"

http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42811.pdf

In other words, we do not live in the United States of the DoJ and the DoJ is not its own little rogue government within a government.

Bet you didn't know that Congress can even overturn a decision of the Supreme Court.

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May 9, 2018 12:42:41   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
rumitoid wrote:
Sow that Congress is allowed those documents, nor just your opinion.


Current Practice
Hearings are most commonly held for three reasons: to consider pending legislation; to investigate issues that may require legislation in the future; and, to investigate and oversee federal programs. They reflect the most important issues of the day and what occupies congressional attention. This means that Congress holds hearings on a variety of issues, from steroid abuse in professional sports to the use of weather satellites. Hearings have also been used to further the rights of minority groups. Congressional investigations not only help legislators make better policy decisions, but they are central to the system of checks and balances. Investigatory hearings can uncover p**********l abuses of power and corruption, such as the Teapot Dome scandal in the 1920s or Watergate in the 1970s. But hearings have also been used for less noble purposes, such as the blacklisting of private citizens during the “un-American activities” hearings in the 1950s. While the power to investigate is broad, the Supreme Court has since ruled that Congress must confine itself to “legislative purposes” and avoid the strictly private affairs of individual citizens.
I believe this answers the question of the rights of a Congressional investigational committee.

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May 9, 2018 20:07:34   #
Stevewhatchamacallit Loc: Tennessee
 
I agree Congress has constitutional duty to oversee the FBI and the justice dept because they're the ones who started the two. The two also agreed that Congress would have oversite over them. Problem is... A few are appointed to head those departments and then can hire those who agree with their political agendas. Once a new head is appointed the agendas may change but those who were hired are left behind
As I've stated elsewhere, Congress has the responsibility in over seeing them or we could end up right where we are today. The oversite committees has the same clearances as do those in those two departments and there's no reason not to be able to see all documents!
If they prevent the oversite committees ability to see documents, all kinds of tyranny can come about!

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May 9, 2018 20:34:54   #
debeda
 
Stevewhatchamacallit wrote:
I agree Congress has constitutional duty to oversee the FBI and the justice dept because they're the ones who started the two. The two also agreed that Congress would have oversite over them. Problem is... A few are appointed to head those departments and then can hire those who agree with their political agendas. Once a new head is appointed the agendas may change but those who were hired are left behind
As I've stated elsewhere, Congress has the responsibility in over seeing them or we could end up right where we are today. The oversite committees has the same clearances as do those in those two departments and there's no reason not to be able to see all documents!
If they prevent the oversite committees ability to see documents, all kinds of tyranny can come about!
I agree Congress has constitutional duty to overse... (show quote)



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May 10, 2018 10:13:29   #
old marine Loc: America home of the brave
 
Louie27 wrote:
Current Practice
G I believe this answers the question of the rights of a Congressional investigational committee.


Clearly to any sane person but I don't think the swamp dwelling Demon-Rat uderstand.

They have been sniffing the swamp/sewer air way too long. 😆😎


God bless America and President Trump

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May 11, 2018 00:02:52   #
Ricktloml
 
debeda wrote:
Not Ricks job to give you a civics lesson.


There is of course plenty of information to corroborate Congressional oversight, and the corruption currently happening. The problem with providing facts to l*****ts is, they won't believe them anyway. So if they can't, or more likely don't want to believe the obvious, I am not wasting my time explaining it to them

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May 11, 2018 00:03:57   #
Ricktloml
 
buffalo wrote:
LOL! May my avatar blatantly offend you. What has it got to do with the topic at hand which you are so ignorantly contending that Congress, especially the House Judiciary Committee, has no oversight authority of the DoJ. YOUR WRONG, Rosey!

https://fas.org/irp/congress/2016_hr/doj-oversight.pdf

"A review of the historical experience pertinent to congressional access to information regarding
the law enforcement activities of the Department of Justice indicates that the vast majority of
requests for materials are resolved through political negotiation and accommodation, without the
need for judicial resolution. Absent an executive privilege claim or a statute barring disclosure
there appears to be no court precedent imposing a threshold burden on committees to demonstrate
a “substantial reason to believe wrongdoing occurred” in order to obtain information. Instead, an
inquiring committee need only show that the information sought is within the broad subject
matter of its authorized jurisdiction, is in aid of a legitimate legislative function, and is pertinent
to the area of concern. In the last 85 years, Congress has consistently sought and obtained access
to information concerning prosecutorial misconduct by Department of Justice officials in closed
cases; and access to pre-decisional deliberative prosecutorial memoranda—while often resisted
by the Department—is usually released upon committee insistence, as well.

The Legal Basis for Oversight
Constitutional Authority to Perform Oversight and Investigative
Inquiries
Generally, Congress’s authority and power to obtain information, including, but not limited to,
classified and/or confidential information, is extremely broad. While there is no express provision
of the Constitution or specific statute authorizing the conduct of congressional oversight or
investigations, the Supreme Court has firmly established that such power is essential to the
legislative function as to be implied from the general vesting of legislative powers in Congress.7
In Eastland v. United States Serviceman’s Fund, for instance, the Court stated that the “scope of
its power of inquiry ... is as penetrating and far-reaching as the potential power to enact and
appropriate under the Constitution.”8
Also, in Watkins v. United States, the Court emphasized that
the “power of the Congress to conduct investigations is inherent in the legislative process. That
power is broad. It encompasses inquiries concerning the administration of existing laws as well as
proposed or possibly needed statutes.”9
The Court further stressed that Congress’s power to
investigate is at its peak when focusing on alleged waste, fraud, abuse, or maladministration
within a government department. Specifically, the Court explained that the investigative power
“comprehends probes into departments of the federal government to expose corruption,
inefficiency, or waste.”10 The Court went on to note that the first Congresses held “inquiries
dealing with suspected corruption or mismanagement of government officials.”11 Given these
factors, the Court recognized “the power of the Congress to inquire into and publicize corruption,
maladministration, or inefficiencies in the agencies of Government.”12"

http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42811.pdf

In other words, we do not live in the United States of the DoJ and the DoJ is not its own little rogue government within a government.

Bet you didn't know that Congress can even overturn a decision of the Supreme Court.
LOL! May my avatar blatantly offend you. What has ... (show quote)

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May 11, 2018 00:04:59   #
Ricktloml
 
buffalo wrote:
LOL! May my avatar blatantly offend you. What has it got to do with the topic at hand which you are so ignorantly contending that Congress, especially the House Judiciary Committee, has no oversight authority of the DoJ. YOUR WRONG, Rosey!

https://fas.org/irp/congress/2016_hr/doj-oversight.pdf

"A review of the historical experience pertinent to congressional access to information regarding
the law enforcement activities of the Department of Justice indicates that the vast majority of
requests for materials are resolved through political negotiation and accommodation, without the
need for judicial resolution. Absent an executive privilege claim or a statute barring disclosure
there appears to be no court precedent imposing a threshold burden on committees to demonstrate
a “substantial reason to believe wrongdoing occurred” in order to obtain information. Instead, an
inquiring committee need only show that the information sought is within the broad subject
matter of its authorized jurisdiction, is in aid of a legitimate legislative function, and is pertinent
to the area of concern. In the last 85 years, Congress has consistently sought and obtained access
to information concerning prosecutorial misconduct by Department of Justice officials in closed
cases; and access to pre-decisional deliberative prosecutorial memoranda—while often resisted
by the Department—is usually released upon committee insistence, as well.

The Legal Basis for Oversight
Constitutional Authority to Perform Oversight and Investigative
Inquiries
Generally, Congress’s authority and power to obtain information, including, but not limited to,
classified and/or confidential information, is extremely broad. While there is no express provision
of the Constitution or specific statute authorizing the conduct of congressional oversight or
investigations, the Supreme Court has firmly established that such power is essential to the
legislative function as to be implied from the general vesting of legislative powers in Congress.7
In Eastland v. United States Serviceman’s Fund, for instance, the Court stated that the “scope of
its power of inquiry ... is as penetrating and far-reaching as the potential power to enact and
appropriate under the Constitution.”8
Also, in Watkins v. United States, the Court emphasized that
the “power of the Congress to conduct investigations is inherent in the legislative process. That
power is broad. It encompasses inquiries concerning the administration of existing laws as well as
proposed or possibly needed statutes.”9
The Court further stressed that Congress’s power to
investigate is at its peak when focusing on alleged waste, fraud, abuse, or maladministration
within a government department. Specifically, the Court explained that the investigative power
“comprehends probes into departments of the federal government to expose corruption,
inefficiency, or waste.”10 The Court went on to note that the first Congresses held “inquiries
dealing with suspected corruption or mismanagement of government officials.”11 Given these
factors, the Court recognized “the power of the Congress to inquire into and publicize corruption,
maladministration, or inefficiencies in the agencies of Government.”12"

http://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42811.pdf

In other words, we do not live in the United States of the DoJ and the DoJ is not its own little rogue government within a government.

Bet you didn't know that Congress can even overturn a decision of the Supreme Court.
LOL! May my avatar blatantly offend you. What has ... (show quote)


Thanks for taking the time. Most likely it won't matter. Facts usually don't

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May 11, 2018 03:52:18   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Thanks for taking the time. Most likely it won't matter. Facts usually don't


No, like cockroaches, when the light of facts exposes their ignorance, they attack you personally (my avatar offends rumi's delicate little sensibilities) and then run and hide.

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May 11, 2018 08:46:35   #
debeda
 
Ricktloml wrote:
There is of course plenty of information to corroborate Congressional oversight, and the corruption currently happening. The problem with providing facts to l*****ts is, they won't believe them anyway. So if they can't, or more likely don't want to believe the obvious, I am not wasting my time explaining it to them



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