One Political Plaza - Home of politics
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main
Congress asks for documents in Mueller Investigation that is against the law to produce
Page 1 of 6 next> last>>
May 6, 2018 19:51:23   #
rumitoid
 
Threatening Rosenstein with impeachment for not providing documents during an ongoing investigation, which would be illegal to do so, is a Republican Party partisan gimmick to taint that investigation.

Congress is in no way, shape, or form entitled to those documents. It is not, as claimed by Congress, a lack of t***sparency but a matter of statute. Like the House Intelligence Committee chairman's Nunes shenanigans to protect the president and then the Committee closing their investigation early, with many obvious--glaring--unanswered questions and contradictions and evidence to the contrary. A total sham.

Reply
May 6, 2018 19:56:23   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
rumitoid wrote:
Threatening Rosenstein with impeachment for not providing documents during an ongoing investigation, which would be illegal to do so, is a Republican Party partisan gimmick to taint that investigation.

Congress is in no way, shape, or form entitled to those documents. It is not, as claimed by Congress, a lack of t***sparency but a matter of statute. Like the House Intelligence Committee chairman's Nunes shenanigans to protect the president and then the Committee closing their investigation early, with many obvious--glaring--unanswered questions and contradictions and evidence to the contrary. A total sham.
Threatening Rosenstein with impeachment for not pr... (show quote)


I dont think so ,Rumi....Congress have oversight over Mueller........He better produce all the docs otherwise he is DONE!!!!

Reply
May 6, 2018 20:21:16   #
woodguru
 
Prosecutors never have to release details of their investigation to those who are under investigation. Rosenstein has his legal position 100% correct. Not to mention that the GOP runs details right over to the white house because they seem to think the president has a right to know what Mueller has on him.

This is a stunt and the GOP will get shot down on it in court by rule of law.

Reply
 
 
May 6, 2018 20:38:24   #
rumitoid
 
proud republican wrote:
I dont think so ,Rumi....Congress have oversight over Mueller........He better produce all the docs otherwise he is DONE!!!!


If you do not think so, then look it up. An ongoing investigation--any ongoing investigation--is prohibited by law from disclosing those facts.

Reply
May 6, 2018 21:20:42   #
Hogback
 
rumitoid wrote:
Threatening Rosenstein with impeachment for not providing documents during an ongoing investigation, which would be illegal to do so, is a Republican Party partisan gimmick to taint that investigation.

Congress is in no way, shape, or form entitled to those documents. It is not, as claimed by Congress, a lack of t***sparency but a matter of statute. Like the House Intelligence Committee chairman's Nunes shenanigans to protect the president and then the Committee closing their investigation early, with many obvious--glaring--unanswered questions and contradictions and evidence to the contrary. A total sham.
Threatening Rosenstein with impeachment for not pr... (show quote)


Congress are the ones who authorized the FBI and the Dept. of Justice. Congress has oversight authority. Congress not only is authorized they have a duty to keep the FBI and Dept. of Justice in line. Who else do these two department report to? Congress has no authority over the Supreme court because the Supreme court is established by the Constitution. What keeps the congress (legislative), Supreme court and the Executive branches in line is the people through the b****t box.

Reply
May 6, 2018 21:34:08   #
rumitoid
 
Hogback wrote:
Congress are the ones who authorized the FBI and the Dept. of Justice. Congress has oversight authority. Congress not only is authorized they have a duty to keep the FBI and Dept. of Justice in line. Who else do these two department report to? Congress has no authority over the Supreme court because the Supreme court is established by the Constitution. What keeps the congress (legislative), Supreme court and the Executive branches in line is the people through the b****t box.


You are clueless.

Reply
May 6, 2018 22:27:35   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
woodguru wrote:
Prosecutors never have to release details of their investigation to those who are under investigation. Rosenstein has his legal position 100% correct. Not to mention that the GOP runs details right over to the white house because they seem to think the president has a right to know what Mueller has on him.

This is a stunt and the GOP will get shot down on it in court by rule of law.
Under DOJ regulations, a deputy AG assumes the authority of the AG ONLY on those issues from which the AG has recused himself, and in this case, is a very narrow and limited area. Rosenstein went rogue almost from the get go, he assumed full authority of the AG to act in any manner and on any issue he sees fit. Rosenstein has been and still is acting beyond his legal authority. I am still baffled why the AG has not reined in this out-of-control political hack.

28 U.S. Code § 595:

(1)Congressional oversight.—
The appropriate committees of the Congress shall have oversight jurisdiction with respect to the official conduct of any independent counsel appointed under this chapter, and such independent counsel shall have the duty to cooperate with the exercise of such oversight jurisdiction.

Reply
 
 
May 6, 2018 22:30:28   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
rumitoid wrote:
You are clueless.
You need to learn to use the correct pronoun and properly conjugate the verb. "I am" would be accurate.

Reply
May 6, 2018 23:58:06   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
You are right. In the 1970s Rule X of the Standing Rules was created allowing information to be released, even if classified. Clause 11 of Rule X covers HPSCI, with paragraph (g) delineating the process the committee can use to disclose classified information if “the public interest would be served by such disclosure.” Ergo, Congress can demand from any Department such information they deem necessary in the interest of the general public.
Certainly, to release such information to the nation requires approval by the sitting president. Also see, 50 U.S.C. § 3091, “[t]he President shall ensure that the congressional intelligence committees are kept fully and currently informed of the intelligence activities of the United States.” See also 50 U.S.C. § 3092. The “fully and currently informed” standard applies specifically to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), where it is part of semi-annual or other periodic reporting requirements in 50 U.S.C. §§ 1808, 1826, 1846, 1862, 1881f, and 1885c.

Remember the Linder Letter of 2000? This letter is what the Mueller team is using to withhold information to Congress. Linder argues that there is information that may be withheld such as: "materials that are protected by law (such as grand jury information pursuant to Rule 6(c) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure and taxpayer information pursuant to 26 U.S.C. § 6103); information the disclosure of which might compromise open criminal investigations or prosecutions or civil cases or constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy; and predecisional deliberative communications (such as internal advice and preliminary positions and recommendations)." But, the Lender Letter is not law. The Justice Department and the FBI are part of the executive branch, of which the president is the chief, and their leaders are the president’s subordinates, exercising aspects of the “executive Power” that is vested in him by the Constitution. The Constitutional powers can not be set aside.

proud republican wrote:
I dont think so ,Rumi....Congress have oversight over Mueller........He better produce all the docs otherwise he is DONE!!!!

Reply
May 7, 2018 00:13:13   #
Hogback
 
rumitoid wrote:
You are clueless.


Sounds like the only response from a person who has nothing to say.

Reply
May 7, 2018 09:29:18   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
woodguru wrote:
Prosecutors never have to release details of their investigation to those who are under investigation. Rosenstein has his legal position 100% correct. Not to mention that the GOP runs details right over to the white house because they seem to think the president has a right to know what Mueller has on him.

This is a stunt and the GOP will get shot down on it in court by rule of law.


Congress is NOT under investigation and has OVERSIGHT over all federally funded agencies, which is all of them. Congress is our duly elected reps to protect and discharge the people's will not any agencies will, not delegated to them under the Constitution or by Congress. We the people ordained and established our Government, three branches, Executive (President), Legislative (Congress/write the laws), Judicial (Supreme Court) that the Constitution be upheld and protected as the SUPREME LAW of the LAND!


Reply
 
 
May 7, 2018 09:46:00   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
rumitoid wrote:
You are clueless.


No, hogman is correct. Congress has oversight duty in this. They have the right to see all. Whether they would make that disclosure public, who knows.

Reply
May 7, 2018 09:50:15   #
Ricktloml
 
Pennylynn wrote:
You are right. In the 1970s Rule X of the Standing Rules was created allowing information to be released, even if classified. Clause 11 of Rule X covers HPSCI, with paragraph (g) delineating the process the committee can use to disclose classified information if “the public interest would be served by such disclosure.” Ergo, Congress can demand from any Department such information they deem necessary in the interest of the general public.
Certainly, to release such information to the nation requires approval by the sitting president. Also see, 50 U.S.C. § 3091, “[t]he President shall ensure that the congressional intelligence committees are kept fully and currently informed of the intelligence activities of the United States.” See also 50 U.S.C. § 3092. The “fully and currently informed” standard applies specifically to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), where it is part of semi-annual or other periodic reporting requirements in 50 U.S.C. §§ 1808, 1826, 1846, 1862, 1881f, and 1885c.

Remember the Linder Letter of 2000? This letter is what the Mueller team is using to withhold information to Congress. Linder argues that there is information that may be withheld such as: "materials that are protected by law (such as grand jury information pursuant to Rule 6(c) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure and taxpayer information pursuant to 26 U.S.C. § 6103); information the disclosure of which might compromise open criminal investigations or prosecutions or civil cases or constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy; and predecisional deliberative communications (such as internal advice and preliminary positions and recommendations)." But, the Lender Letter is not law. The Justice Department and the FBI are part of the executive branch, of which the president is the chief, and their leaders are the president’s subordinates, exercising aspects of the “executive Power” that is vested in him by the Constitution. The Constitutional powers can not be set aside.
You are right. In the 1970s Rule X of the Standi... (show quote)


Thank-you for providing documented FACTS, as usual. It is astounding that ANY American can demand that the government, OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS, refuse to cooperate with constitutional oversight. Every time these oversight committees have been able to pry documents out of the hands of these bureaucrats, the documents didn't show a problem with national security, or an ongoing investigation, what was revealed was lies, corruption and abuses of power by government officials.

Reply
May 7, 2018 11:19:05   #
billman6 Loc: Top of Texas
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Thank-you for providing documented FACTS, as usual. It is astounding that ANY American can demand that the government, OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS, refuse to cooperate with constitutional oversight. Every time these oversight committees have been able to pry documents out of the hands of these bureaucrats, the documents didn't show a problem with national security, or an ongoing investigation, what was revealed was lies, corruption and abuses of power by government officials.


And this is the reason they don't want to release the documents. They will be exposed for their corruption. They need to impeach Rosenstein and get the documents then the rest of the criminals will be exposed.

Reply
May 7, 2018 12:53:50   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
Pennylynn wrote:
You are right. In the 1970s Rule X of the Standing Rules was created allowing information to be released, even if classified. Clause 11 of Rule X covers HPSCI, with paragraph (g) delineating the process the committee can use to disclose classified information if “the public interest would be served by such disclosure.” Ergo, Congress can demand from any Department such information they deem necessary in the interest of the general public.
Certainly, to release such information to the nation requires approval by the sitting president. Also see, 50 U.S.C. § 3091, “[t]he President shall ensure that the congressional intelligence committees are kept fully and currently informed of the intelligence activities of the United States.” See also 50 U.S.C. § 3092. The “fully and currently informed” standard applies specifically to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), where it is part of semi-annual or other periodic reporting requirements in 50 U.S.C. §§ 1808, 1826, 1846, 1862, 1881f, and 1885c.

Remember the Linder Letter of 2000? This letter is what the Mueller team is using to withhold information to Congress. Linder argues that there is information that may be withheld such as: "materials that are protected by law (such as grand jury information pursuant to Rule 6(c) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure and taxpayer information pursuant to 26 U.S.C. § 6103); information the disclosure of which might compromise open criminal investigations or prosecutions or civil cases or constitute an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy; and predecisional deliberative communications (such as internal advice and preliminary positions and recommendations)." But, the Lender Letter is not law. The Justice Department and the FBI are part of the executive branch, of which the president is the chief, and their leaders are the president’s subordinates, exercising aspects of the “executive Power” that is vested in him by the Constitution. The Constitutional powers can not be set aside.
You are right. In the 1970s Rule X of the Standi... (show quote)


Thank you for this information,Pennylynn

Reply
Page 1 of 6 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main
OnePoliticalPlaza.com - Forum
Copyright 2012-2024 IDF International Technologies, Inc.