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Apr 1, 2014 16:49:24   #
Patty
 
I hear he knows how to roll a fine doob. That old rice paper they found in that case marked "Bill of Rights" works pretty good he thinks.
buffalo wrote:
Maybe someone should ask him WHAT he does know.

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Apr 1, 2014 16:49:49   #
MrEd Loc: Georgia
 
Patty wrote:
He wont fire them though so they would have to be impeached. Appointees are under the executive branch.


I agree that they need to go, but you just impeach Obama and then fire them. Really, we would need to impeach Biden too and then Boehner when he takes over. I think by the time we got down the list to someone that we would really like, we would have the majority of this government impeached and out on the street.

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Apr 1, 2014 16:52:00   #
Patty
 
Obama isn't stupid and has to many people set up to hide behind. They had their chance when he bombed Libya without congressional approval and let him walk on it.
MrEd wrote:
I agree that they need to go, but you just impeach Obama and then fire them. Really, we would need to impeach Biden too and then Boehner when he takes over. I think by the time we got down the list to someone that we would really like, we would have the majority of this government impeached and out on the street.

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Apr 1, 2014 17:32:54   #
petertimber
 
Maybe it's time for the USA to hold a constitutional Convention to restore order to what was intended by the founding fathers and not what loopy l*****ts and runaway supreme court decide when they trample upon rights and powers they assume is correct when they say so without reference to the original interpretation as outlined in the Constituion Convention notes and remarks defining these items.

Otherwise perhaps the USA should consider splitting into four or five separate nations joined by 4/5 regional Presidents who consult with the Federal president whenever it becomes necessary leaving foreign affairs, customs, post office and defense to be a joint effortThere is more but you get the idea since in reality each section of the USA does not care about nor want to pay for problems in other areas the relate only to one area.

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Apr 1, 2014 17:34:23   #
Brian Devon
 
MrEd wrote:
By Travis Perry &#9474; Kansas Watchdog

OSAWATOMIE — U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder didn’t mince words in a recent letter to Gov. Sam Brownback regarding the state’s latest move to protect Kansans’ Second Amendment rights.

State law, Holder wrote, will in no way stop federal law enforcement agents from enforcing all federal firearms laws and regulations, declaring it unconstitutional.

At issue is SB102, better known as the Second Amendment Protection Act, which was signed into law by Brownback on April 16. The bill, which swept through both legislative chambers with a wide margin of victory, exempts any gun made or owned in Kansas from federal restrictions. State and local law enforcement are also empowered to arrest and charge any federal agent who dares to impose federal regulations within the Sunflower State.

Holder’s letter, dated April 26, was sent the day after SB102 went into effect.

In the letter, Holder writes:

“In purporting to override federal law and to criminalize the official acts of federal officers, S.B. 102 directly conflicts with federal law and is therefore unconstitutional. Federal officers who are responsible for enforcing federal laws and regulations in order to maintain public safety cannot be forced to choose between the risk of a criminal prosecution by a state and the continued performance of their federal duties. Under the Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution, Kansas may not prevent ­federal employees and officials from carrying out their official responsibilities. And a state certainly may not criminalize the exercise of federal responsibilities. Because S.B. 102 conflicts with federal firearms laws and regulations, federal law supersedes this new statute; all provisions of federal laws and their implementing regulations therefore continue to apply.”

Kansas Attorney General Derek Schmidt has requested $625,000 to defend the state law.

Holder’s letter ends with a not-so veiled threat that “the United States will take all appropriate action, including litigation if necessary, to prevent the State of Kansas from interfering with the activities of federal officials enforcing federal law.”

Contact Travis Perry at travis@kansaswatchdog.org, or follow him on Twitter at @muckraker62.

Please, feel free to "steal our stuff"! Just remember to credit Watchdog.org.

Article can be found here; http://watchdog.org/82718/warning-shot-holder-declares-ks-gun-law-unconstitutional/


Just how much authority does the federal government have over the people of this country. Can they make ANY law and say it is the law of the land? Can they force us to take every law we do not agree with before the Supreme Court to see if it is Constitutional or not? I say that Holder is every bit as much of an i***t as Obama is. Neither one of them care or even know what is in our Constitution and they seem to think that what THEY say is ALWAYS right.

"Under the Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution, Kansas may not prevent ­federal employees and officials from carrying out their official responsibilities. And a state certainly may not criminalize the exercise of federal responsibilities. "

Holder is using the Supremacy Clause to not only make law, but to enforce it. So what exactly is this Supremacy Clause and how does it work?

" This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land…"

The key to this entire statement is simply "in Pursuance thereof."

In Federalist No. 33 (6th para), Alexander Hamilton says:

…But it will not follow …that acts of the large society (the federal government) which are NOT PURSUANT to its constitutional powers, but which are invasions of the residuary authorities of the smaller societies (the States), will become the supreme law of the land. These will be merely acts of usurpation, and will deserve to be treated as such… The clause which declares the supremacy of the laws of the Union … EXPRESSLY confines this supremacy to laws made PURSUANT TO THE CONSTITUTION … (capitals are Hamilton's)

In the next para, Hamilton says that a law made by Congress which is not authorized by the Constitution,

…would not be the supreme law of the land, but a usurpation of power not granted by the Constitution….

In Federalist No. 27 (last para), Hamilton says:

…the laws of the Confederacy (the federal government), as to the ENUMERATED and LEGITIMATE objects of its jurisdiction, will become the SUPREME LAW of the land; to the observance of which all officers, legislative, executive, and judicial, in each State, will be bound by the sanctity of an oath. Thus the legislatures, courts, and magistrates, of the respective members (the States), will be incorporated into the operations of the national government AS FAR AS ITS JUST AND CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY EXTENDS… (capitals are Hamilton's)

And in Federalist No. 78 (10th para), Hamilton says:

…every act of a delegated authority, contrary to the tenor of the commission under which it is exercised, is void. No legislative act, therefore, contrary to the Constitution, can be valid. To deny this, would be to affirm, that the deputy is greater than his principal; that the servant is above his master; that the representatives of the people are superior to the people themselves; that men acting by virtue of powers, may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid.

Do you see? Federalist No. 33, 27, & 78 are clear: Acts of Congress which are not authorized by the Constitution are “void” – they are “mere usurpations and deserve to be treated as such”. They are not made “in Pursuance” of the Constitution and have “supremacy” over nothing."

Above quotes can be found here; http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/supremacy-clause/

So, in reality, what recourse do we really have? If we listen to the government, we have none, but the SCOTUS and that is it. Any time they come out with a law that goes against the Constitution we must apply to the Supreme Court and fight them there. Well, the Supreme Court has already proven that they are not always right and in some cases, are totally wrong. There were cases that they did not even have the authority to hear, but they invented reason out of thin air to allow them to hear the cases anyway.

They have set themselves up with authority they do not have and make rulings under precedent which they do not have the authority to use. They are supposed to use the Constitution and the Federalist Papers ONLY for their rulings, not court precedent, unless that prior precedent is based on the Constitution.

They also invent meanings to words so that they are allowed to rule or to even hear a case. They change meanings to fit their rulings and we are supposed to use them as the final say as to the Constitutionality of a question?

What Holder and a lot of others don't seem to know is, this country is based on a Constitution and the power derived from that Constitution is very limited. We have a government of ENUMERATED posers, NOT unlimited powers. The federal government is limited by those enumerated posers and the rest of the power is vested in the States and the PEOPLE. We the people wrote the Constitution and we have a right to tell this government what it means. If this government makes a law that is not in accordance with this Constitution, then it is up to the people and/or the State to say no. We do this by nullification of that law. Neither Holder or anyone else in this government has the authority to say different.

"State law, Holder wrote, will in no way stop federal law enforcement agents from enforcing all federal firearms laws and regulations, declaring it unconstitutional."

All laws passed by this government or regulations passed by the ATF are unconstitutional and as such should be nullified. Art. I, Sec. 1, U.S. Constitution grants ALL power to make law to CONGRESS, not some agency of this government. All laws passed by Congress MUST be Constitutional or they are null and void too.

A well regulated m*****a being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Now that right there tells me that this government does not have the right to regulate how many rounds my mag can hold or what it looks like. They will even admit to themselves that this is strictly a means of taking our arms away from us. It has NOTHING to do with the crime rate or hunting or any number of other reasons they give. They simply don't want us standing up to them when it comes time to take away the rest of our rights.
By Travis Perry &#9474; Kansas Watchdog br br... (show quote)




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It's truly amazing how the neo-confederate states rights folks think they can get away with nullification of federal law. I guess they are oblivious to the federal viewpoint on nullification which was explained to the good ol' boys 1861-65. I guess these GOP states righters slept through their history class, when the mid-19th century "unpleasantness" was discussed.

There is no education in the second kick of a mule.

This nullification dog don't hunt.

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Apr 1, 2014 17:41:13   #
petertimber
 
Isn't that an opinion on your part? when was the last time "Nullification" was dealt with and defined by the Supreme Court if not th very notes of our founding fathers who promulgated the Nullification part of our Constitution or have I missed something.?

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Apr 1, 2014 17:49:06   #
Brian Devon
 
petertimber wrote:
Isn't that an opinion on your part? when was the last time "Nullification" was dealt with and defined by the Supreme Court if not th very notes of our founding fathers who promulgated the Nullification part of our Constitution or have I missed something.?








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There are a number of things important to the founding fathers that have not withstood the test of time. States rights and nullification are two of those. They also pushed for the right to impeach and for new constitutional conventions, neither of which has ever had much traction.

The south tried to make its best case for states rights but as we all know, they lost. The Civil War really settled the idea that Federal rights trump states rights. In the 1950s and 60s, the genteel folk, south of the Mason-Dixon needed a little refresher course. Maybe the red states need another one of those continuing ed. programs.

I think that was the thrust of Attorney General Holder's remarks.

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Apr 1, 2014 18:03:16   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Isn't it amazing that r****t, criminal AG Holder denied knowing anything about his own department's illegal gun- running operation to Mexican drug cartels until months after a border patrol agent was murdered by one of those guns? But in a week he is on top of Kansas' exercising its states rights with a gun law HE disagrees with because He and his boss are anti-second amendment and anti-gun.

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Apr 1, 2014 18:19:24   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Montana and several other states have already passed a Firearms Freedom Act as far back as 2009. The feds don't like it at all. I say tuff s**t! Most Americans don't believe federal authority usurps states rights and are fed up with an unbridled, unjustified, tyrannical central government.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"

I think Kansas should tell Holder where he can stick his letter.

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Apr 1, 2014 18:19:42   #
Had enough
 
skott wrote:
Kansas should go. Let the other part of the U.S. not trade with them and stop their people at the boarder, since their laws supersede the U.S. Government. If this was to happen, they would act right instead of right wing.


Maybe it's your neighborhood that needs surrounding!!

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Apr 1, 2014 18:19:42   #
Had enough
 
skott wrote:
Kansas should go. Let the other part of the U.S. not trade with them and stop their people at the boarder, since their laws supersede the U.S. Government. If this was to happen, they would act right instead of right wing.


Maybe it's your neighborhood that needs surrounding!!

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Apr 1, 2014 18:24:07   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
skott wrote:
Kansas should go. Let the other part of the U.S. not trade with them and stop their people at the boarder, since their laws supersede the U.S. Government. If this was to happen, they would act right instead of right wing.


I think that you will find that most Americans agree with Kansas and it should be DC that is boycotted.

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Apr 1, 2014 18:26:10   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
buffalo wrote:
And who enforced the breaking of federal law when r****t AG Holder and his bureaucratic goons oversaw the illegal walking of firearms into the hands of Mexican drug cartels? And for whart purpose was it done? Was it to prove that a ban on certain firearms was needed to keep them out of the hands of violent Mexican drug gangs or law abiding American citizens?

GO KANSAS!


When did Holder become a judge? The AG cannot declare a law Unconstitutional. He can only say so as his personal opinion. Hello there, this is why we have courts, and judges, and all that judicial stuff, that Holder likes to use when it suits him.

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Apr 1, 2014 18:32:55   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Loki wrote:
When did Holder become a judge? The AG cannot declare a law Unconstitutional. He can only say so as his personal opinion. Hello there, this is why we have courts, and judges, and all that judicial stuff, that Holder likes to use when it suits him.


As AG, Holder IS the chief law enforcement officer in the US. My point was that when he got caught illegally running guns to Mexican drug cartels and got a border patrol agent k**led, our do nothing, inept Congress is toothless as in every other illegal activity of O's administration, ie B******i, the IRS, v**er intimidation by the New Black panthers, Fast and Furious, etc. Get my drift?

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Apr 1, 2014 18:35:40   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
buffalo wrote:
As AG, Holder IS the chief law enforcement officer in the US. My point was that when he got caught illegally running guns to Mexican drug cartels and got a border patrol agent k**led, our do nothing, inept Congress is toothless as in every other illegal activity of O's administration, ie B******i, the IRS, v**er intimidation by the New Black panthers, Fast and Furious, etc. Get my drift?


Chief LEO or not, declaring a law Constitutional or not is well beyond his authority.

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