jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Ya just can't make this stuff up.

The artic expedition of scientists set out to prove that the artic cap is shrinking. Many, many miles before they get anywhere near the edge, their ship is stuck, frozen in ice. Turns into a rescue mission.
Artic cap expanding, the t***h

Opps, the exaggerated low polar bear numbers didn't get past the experts that study polar bears.
Opps, lies revealed from the left

Opps, the ocean is rising, don't trade in your stick built home for a houseboat just because another liberal lie

What do you mean scientist discover that the ice sheet retreats, thins, expands and thickens in cycles. The north pole was getting smaller while the south pole expands. But they did not tell me that???

http://www.globalclimates**m.com/category/ice/

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

You will appreciate this. http://www.globalclimates**m.com/category/ice/

The bleeding heart liberal television ads showing a polar bear h*****g on to a small piece of ice, floating in the open ocean. Running out of ice to migrate and feed themselves all because you want a big Ford truck, was never anything more than a hollyweird production of lies.

Trooper745 Loc: Carolina

That's exactly what I'm talking about, ..... an agenda, not science!

JRumeryjr

Make sure to grab pussy!

rumitoid

None of you, including me, know diddly about the complexities of weather and climate. Useless and stupid, then, to render an opinion. I would like, for the future of my family, to rely on science and not political ideology. Politics has nothing whatsoever to do with the question. But the Right makes it central, backed by all those fossil-fuel and coal contributors. Yes, G***n E****y also has a big stake in this and is lobbying for approval with substantial donations to Congress. What is the difference? One industry negatively affects the earth as a proven fact and the other does not. Which do you want?

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Since you bring up science, technology has not arrived yet these "green" companies continue draining tax payers money.
If green is so good then first allow private competition to increase technology. Our government has thrown away hundreds of billions of dollars. I like the idea, but liking it does not make it more useful,... Yet.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

You mean the Earth is doing what the Earth does in its evoluntionary cylces?? We have warming and then ice ages that go back as far as the scientist can surmise it on their hypotheticals..

Whats different, other than our technology to see things more clearly than we did a couple hundred years ago when they sarted recording weather differences.. A couple hundred years ago is no measurement at all when you consider the universe is some 13 billion years old and even that is assuming you believe the hypotheticals of science..

Weather changes seasonally ever year, what’s up with that anyway??? A certain type of weather, hot , cold, cool or warm etc..

We need to keep our Earths’ water, land and air clean that is our responsibility.. Other than that we can not change Mother Nature and to try is where we will f it up!!!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Politics has everything to do with it.. Not the cyclic changes the Earth goes through naturally but how they use the fear mongering tactics to rob us blind so they and their buddies get rich..

JRumeryjr

No f****l f**l is proven so we should continue to give our money to them right...NOT!

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Wind power is not cost effective at hundreds of millions of dollars to install a small wind field, maintenance is millions more and it's a bird k**ler.

Mirrors, same except it k**ls even more birds.
Natural gas, it would cost trillions to install infrastructure
Solar panels are grossly ineffective with short battery life, extremely high cost
Name one technology that is efficient and hears the big one... Cost effective?
We travel often in our fifth wheel and like to dry camp off the grid. I have installed what others consider an extreme system. It's capable of microwave/Convection oven plus coffee pot, 50' TV, led lights, AC-fan-only, or AC but not microwave at same time. It's capable of running throughout the night with over 80% battery remaining on 6 batteries, 4 at 78-79% remaining. I've replaced out water flush toilet with electric and the waste tank with fresh water. Conserving water we have been off grid for over two weeks. Before installing I did months of research. I was told by every expert that I would not be able to run my AC unit, and figured out how to make it work. This same topic came up while I was researching the how to's, so research all methods of Green alternate power.
We are no were close to having the technology because of power waste and power storage problems not yet solved, the other problem is cost.
Every single alternate source received hundreds of millions of dollars in government grants, including hybrid and battery powered cars. Currently auto manufacturers lose money on every car sold and that's including government subsidies and the huge tax write offs to the factory and purchaser.

Our problem is not the volume of oil America can produce, our greatest problem is the gross shortage of refineries, with regulations that are so strict, no new refineries have been built for decades.
The exhaust that comes from cars today is amazingly low low pollution. Today two hundred cars emit less pollution than one 1980 midsized car and with nearly no hydrocarbons.
I own a Ford diesel truck with the newer diesel engine and it burns so clean it would take 50 of these trucks and then not pollute as much as one of its predecessor.

It has nothing to do with bug oil company greed, or car manufacturers greed, it is very simple. We do not have the technology advances required to move from oil consumption to green.
Read all the propaganda and BS that green extremists vomit to the public which is bold face lies.
The first company that figures out how to mass produce "cost effective" and efficient green will own the market earnings hundreds of billions of dollars, even trillions of dollars, and the private sector would explode.

It's just math

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Linda,
It's funny that since we debated this a few years ago, since then evidence that NOAA, NASA, both fudged numbers. The summit that first made efforts to convince the world's leaders, scientists that compiled the "man made" g****l w*****g /C*****e c****e materials have come forward admitted they fudged the numbers. Also new improvements to climate model's show historical changes, not man induced. Scientists and professors fired for publishing papers proving not man made.
I could go on and on with examples of empirical evidence that has come forth in the last two years and still these moron zealots keep beating the drums for their lying leaders pushing the lie in our congress and senate, the law makers foaming at the mouth because President T***p w*n't join them in the New world order s**m.

JRumeryjr

Then why are we asking for so much oil from over seas?

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

The amount of s**ms perpetrated by our government on the American people by our beloved corrupt congress and senate (both parties, no exceptions) for "Power & Greed".

Your reply brought back some memories. Remember the gas crisis in late 1972 and 1973. The lie: Opened was flexing its muscles (or half t***hs). I was there, my father owned a Union 76 Service Station and first hand pumping gas, with mile long lines, fist fights, people selling donuts and coffee to people waiting in lines, cars scraping into each other as some tried to force into the hour long lines. Then after waiting hours to get gas only to find out there was a five gallon maximum, so now the anger was reaching it height with customers pushing attendants aside, fighting for the gas pump and trying to fill their tanks. That was me in the heat of it all as we became the enemy. People lost their damn minds during this time in history.
What the government tried to hide was the cargo ships and barges lining the Mississippi River filled with oil and gas , but parked. That's right, they were not unloading and remained parked for months, this was a fabricated crisis.

Then a closer time in history. I just traded in my 36mpg car for a Ford Truck that I had been wanting for a long time, that got 17-18 mpg highway on a good day, and about 10-12 mpg city. It was only days after I took delivery gas started going up, the time was 2008/2009 and it went up to $100. A barrel, in washington state at that time it went from $2.85ish per gallon to $5.85 per gallon. I had the larger optional 37 gallon fuel tank and the gas pump would shut off every $50., so it would be, reset the pump, slide card three times and sometimes four resets.
You can verify if you don't already know, but we had oil cargo ships anchored around half the world for months, exactly the same as the early seventies, plus one of our major refineries in Texas was said to be down due to damages from a hurricane for several months (lie), then a second refinery down for months due to fire.
What's reality? We know oil freighters, hundreds were parked (anchored).

Here's a few interesting links

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1212013/Revealed-The-ghost-fleet-recession-anchored-just-east-Singapore.html

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-12/something-very-strange-taking-place-coast-galveston

http://dohmencapital.com/oil-bottom-or-f**e-out/


Bottom line, our corrupt few hundred people in congress and the senate make decisions for 350 million people and under Colorado alone sits a 500 year supply of oil and gas. Other than to feed the power and the greedy, Americans could be paying less than a dollar per gallon and it's not the oil companies, it's our lawmakers.
There is no left or right in this, all Americans are getting the shaft and since 70% of america's live paycheck to paycheck, and the price of fuel effects everything we buy from grocery, gas, clothing, it's a disgrace.

PeterS

Of course it's a lie--big government just want's to get into the wallets of cons...

PeterS

Keeping the earth clean will cost business money so that's not going to happen. Better to pretend that we are keeping it clean, then stuff our pockets full of money...