Armageddun Loc: The show me state

Jon, its' those gray areas that get us into trouble. You can't be a little bit pregnant. Either you is or you ain't.
To put it another way.. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. To paraphase C.K. Chesterson, A man of all tolerance is a man without convictions. Just saying.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

It's taking absolute positions on gray areas that are the problem--exactnesses, absolutisms, extremisms.

To use your example, one can be 'careful' about impregnating or being impregnated...and if you mess up, you'd better be prepared for various adjustments, modifications, and compromises. :lol: :lol: Can be the luckiest accident of your life or quite otherwise depending on several options and various circumstances of the two persons involved. Little exactness involved.

Relativity is a basic reality that we give too little attention to. And, believe me, when one pays attention to relativities, one arrives at convictions...better or at least new convictions rather than stuck-with 'convictions' without taking varying times and circumstances into consideration. It's called effort at enlightenment or progress. Not that 'enlightenment' and 'progress' themselves aren't relative and in need of questioning and being seen in terms of time and circumstances. Exactly. :lol: :lol: :lol:

OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!

That was the mantra in the 70s, I can vouch for it. We were heading for a new ice age...I remember it well.

OldSchool Loc: Moving to the Red State of Utah soon!

And, you're a moron libtard...you prove it in every one of your feeble postings. How sad to go through life being so ignorant.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

You should know, you sad OS. :P

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

Right vs. wrong has never been relative, to bad we can't say right vs. left oh wait maybe you have a point in some cases.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Right and wrong are relative. Exactly--depending on places, times, and circumstances. That's the larger picture, that's reality, and that's confusing and difficult to understand. Very difficult to accept that we may be wrong about some things we want to be right, but the odds are against our being 'right' all the time considering the fact that half the world disagrees with us at every point--not in unison but friend 1 and friend 2 disagreeing with us and enemy 1 and enemy 2 agreeing with us on a particular point and various mixes on other points. In fact, the odds are we are partially wrong on half and partially right on half and entirely right on few points. In our individual lives we choose as best we can at a particular time and in particular circumstances and work out the consequences...in politics or government we have it set up so that choices are made as best we can at the time and our government is set up so that choices are limited and not final and can be changed as we work through issues. That works better than a system that makes absolute and final decisions according to ideology (a program or idea of absolute 'right'). As Churchill said, democracy is the worst form of government except for all others that have been tried. Ironic. Many faults but better than any other form of government...as can be seen by the examples of America and Britain, the Brit commonwealth nations, the EU nations, Japan, South Korea, etc. And as can be seen in history by the examples of the Greek democratic city states and the Roman Republic. The short duration of the Greek democracies and the Roman Republic are reminders that Western Civilization's self-government and it achievements could be equally short-lived and a matter that requires thought regarding how to work through the problems that ended in Alexandrian and Roman empires as replacement of the previous high points in civilization. By the way, there are workable ways through those problems of geopoltical size and economic consolidation that ended the classical world's self-government and hindered civilization's progress--a matter of federation, limited powers, etc. that we practice.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

:lol: :lol: Well I think it is safe to say we are not cousins, but you did make a nice response.... :twisted: :shock: 8-)

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

It may be true, since it happened less than a 1000 years ago already. I just don't remember anything other than the nuclear winter scare tactics.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Perhaps the irregularity comes from not considering consequences BEFORE taking action. There is only a 1% excuse for an unwanted pregnancy, as that is the guarantee for condoms. Once the consequences are known, it is insane to continue the risky behavior, whether it be unprotected sex, destruction of rain forests, unfettered release of green house gases ( CO2 being only one of them ) or overuse of non renewable resources.

Denying that there is a problem, changes nothing. Pretending that it's not THAT big of a problem, changes nothing. Saying that it will be years before it REALLY becomes a problem - guarantees our destruction.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

True conservatives are in agreement with your statement of situation but there are many CINOs out there denying, saying not that big, years before much of problem. Agreement about situation should be outside right and left. What measures are workable, on the other hand, remains a matter of debate. It's a debate that needs to be underway. Big Mike was backing an idea last month that he considered important.

Patty

Jon I don't know if you have noticed this since you have gotten back from your 2 week timeout but without you here destroying threads like someone who keeps picking at a sore and it wont heal. People have become more tolerant of each others opinions and some really good information is being swapped between both the left and the right. I know I have learned a lot lately.
Have you noticed the lack of responses you are getting? People are hitting the "unwatch" button and don't want bothered with your h**eful rants. H**e to tell you but you have lost your power to divide here and I seem to be the only one who will even toy with you now. I just thought I would bring this to your attention since sadly I seem to be the best friend you have here.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Gee, who would have thought that besides Putin Patty? Have you noticed. Patters. that your Putin Patty-patty-cake subect postings get no responses except from your crew partners PT and ME? I've noticed it. Why haven't you?

Patty

Crickets....... See what I mean. Your a thread k**ler.