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Apr 7, 2018 17:48:13   #
out of the woods Loc: to hell and gone New York State
 
Very well said, I had bits and pieces of that in my head, but was unable to articulate. Thank You!

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Apr 7, 2018 17:54:22   #
teaman
 
out of the woods wrote:
Very well said, I had bits and pieces of that in my head, but was unable to articulate. Thank You!


You are welcome and you may use this any time you like!

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Apr 7, 2018 18:27:47   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
rumitoid wrote:
I have never been out of work, unless I wanted to be. But I am not everyone. I admit that being unemployed for long periods of time puzzles me by my experience. But I had private education at good schools for twelve years. I am white. I am smart and personable. I was an athlete and strong. I have a college degree and two years toward a Masters. That is not the resume of many of the unemployed. Areas get depressed by the loss of industry. Being raised in poverty is a huge disadvantage for many reasons, way too numerous to mention. I am a privileged White person, something that I did not notice until recently. My name on a job application meant part of accepted society. Believe that or not. It is scientific fact in endless studies. "Let's see, Leroy Jones of Jerry Lynch?" The vast majority of managerial positions are held by White men: how would they v**e?

The studies I alluded to would send Job and School Applications affixed with White-sounding and Minority-sounding names: guess the results. Yes, even Liberal colleges far preferred the White-named student, as did most businesses.

R****m is systemic in America, despite a Black president and fifty years since the end of desecration, Jim Crow laws, and Anti-miscegenation laws.

We can say the crime statistics showing a disproportion size of the minority community committing more crime as a sign of their inferiority or low moral standards, or follow how many w****s accused of similar crimes are not fully prosecuted.

Injustice rules this country on this issue. Just look at the Profile Protocols of many municipalities, like NYC.
I have never been out of work, unless I wanted to ... (show quote)


Cry me a river Rumi. The Dems and libs made a mess everywhere their i***tic policies prevail...like the big cities where these Profile Protocols are used, crime is rampant, unemployment is high etc.

If I could get a job with my record at my age in Alaska, doing hard work any city twerp, unemployed kid could. It's THAT simple. Jobs are there.

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Apr 7, 2018 18:45:14   #
vettelover Loc: Richmond Va
 
BigMike wrote:
Cry me a river Rumi. The Dems and libs made a mess everywhere their i***tic policies prevail...like the big cities where these Profile Protocols are used, crime is rampant, unemployment is high etc.

If I could get a job with my record at my age in Alaska, doing hard work any city twerp, unemployed kid could. It's THAT simple. Jobs are there.


Here is an old article from my bookmarks
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/how-decades-of-democratic-rule-ruined-some-of-our-finest-cities/

Show me an American inner city ghetto stricken with drugs, poverty, corruption and death, and I will show you a Democrat in charge everytime!

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Apr 7, 2018 19:16:39   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
vettelover wrote:
Here is an old article from my bookmarks
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/how-decades-of-democratic-rule-ruined-some-of-our-finest-cities/

Show me an American inner city ghetto stricken with drugs, poverty, corruption and death, and I will show you a Democrat in charge everytime!


Every time.

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Apr 7, 2018 19:53:27   #
rumitoid
 
BigMike wrote:
Cry me a river Rumi. The Dems and libs made a mess everywhere their i***tic policies prevail...like the big cities where these Profile Protocols are used, crime is rampant, unemployment is high etc.

If I could get a job with my record at my age in Alaska, doing hard work any city twerp, unemployed kid could. It's THAT simple. Jobs are there.


Silly. Profile Protocols are used by Police in various municipalities to target a certain group of minorities as potential violaters of the peace...by skin color and age. Is that America? It may ensure greater safety for now, but what happens when the demographics shift? Do you want your children staked in Walmart by their security because they are white?

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Apr 7, 2018 21:11:14   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
rumitoid wrote:
Silly. Profile Protocols are used by Police in various municipalities to target a certain group of minorities as potential violaters of the peace...by skin color and age. Is that America? It may ensure greater safety for now, but what happens when the demographics shift? Do you want your children staked in Walmart by their security because they are white?


You guys run those places...that's up to you. We don't do that in fly over country.

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Apr 7, 2018 21:26:57   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
rumitoid wrote:
According to the Gospel, we are judged on our "temporal" love of Neighbor and works for "the least of these." Love of neighbor and caring for "the least of these" is something substantial, rather than reciting scripture, that will change lives FOREVER.

So you're saying temporal "filling of the belly" is more important than eternal salvation. Sorry but you're f**ked in the head.

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Apr 7, 2018 21:35:18   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
mwdegutis wrote:
So you're saying temporal "filling of the belly" is more important than eternal salvation. Sorry but you're f**ked in the head.


Mark 8:36 Living Bible (TLB)

36 “And how does a man benefit if he gains the whole world and loses his soul in the process?

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Apr 7, 2018 22:36:58   #
rumitoid
 
vettelover wrote:
Here is an old article from my bookmarks
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/how-decades-of-democratic-rule-ruined-some-of-our-finest-cities/

Show me an American inner city ghetto stricken with drugs, poverty, corruption and death, and I will show you a Democrat in charge everytime!


Why? Assign blame or care. No Republicans? Why not?

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Apr 7, 2018 22:40:15   #
rumitoid
 
out of the woods wrote:
I meant that purely as one who God, thank God, also had to allow consequences of my actions, bring me to my knees, before I could turn my life around. There are some parallels in our stories. I have so far been spared the loss of a spouse and I am sorry that you have suffered in that way. My response was not judgemental on the contrary, I can identify personally with some of the things that make you
what you are now, as a fellow survivior , I salute you.


God does not allow consequences to your actions.

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Apr 7, 2018 22:41:11   #
Ricktloml
 
teaman wrote:
KEEP JESUS OUT OF YOUR SOCIALISM

From the words of Jesus and the New Testament, ministering to the poor
and the needy among us is the work of Christian individuals and the
church, not the secular government. Jesus said, "The Spirit of the Lord
is on me, because He has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. .
. ." Today's Religious Left wants to change that to, "He has anointed
the federal government to preach good news to the poor."

The Christian gospel is a message of salvation, not a message of income
redistribution and raising our neighbor's taxes. Jesus said that the way
to serve the poor is by giving generously of our own resources. "But
when you give a banquet," He said in Luke 14, "invite the poor, the
crippled, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed. Although they
cannot repay you, you will be repaid at the resurrection of the
righteous."

The Religious Left is very generous -- with other people's money. In
fact, I believe the founder of the Religious Left was none other than
Judas Iscar**t. When Mary, the sister of Lazarus, anointed Jesus with
costly perfume just days before the crucifixion, Judas lectured her and
said, "Why wasn't this perfume sold and the money given to the poor?"

Notice that Judas put on a show of caring for the poor -- even though
the money was Mary's, not his! The motives of Judas, John 12:6 tells us,
were corrupt and self-centered -- and Jesus responded with a stinging
rebuke.

At least one of the Lord's disciples was a "social action Christian" in
the Sojourners mold: Simon Zelotes (Simon the Zealot). Just as
Sojourners president Jim Wallis was once president of the Michigan State
chapter of the militant Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), Simon
Zelotes was a young political radical who attached himself to Jesus
because he thought Jesus would lead a revolt against the Roman Empire.

Simon saw Jesus as a political Messiah who would topple the powerful
while lifting up the poor and oppressed. But Jesus was not a political
Messiah. He didn't attack the Roman Empire. He did battle with the Evil
Empire of Satan himself.

Jesus didn't tell the Roman government what its budget priorities should
be. Why? Because His agenda was much larger than the agenda of Simon
Zelotes or the Religious Left. His eyes were fixed on eternity. He said,
"My kingdom is not of this world."

The Religious Left has missed the meaning of that statement. Yes, there
is a place for Christian social action -- but that place is in a
personal lifestyle of generosity and compassion to the poor. Jesus
didn't tell the rich young ruler to become a political activist and
affect public policy. He said, "Go, sell your possessions and give to
the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

It's true, there's poverty in America, and some of the poor can't lift
themselves out of poverty without help. Some are physically or socially
disadvantaged. Some are down on their luck. They need and deserve
Christian compassion and the good news of the gospel.

But a huge number of people receiving government assistance are
substance abusers, welfare c***ts, or chronically lazy. Doesn't the
Bible tell us, "If a man will not work, he shall not eat" (2
Thessalonians 3:10)? Why must the "makers" of society support the
"takers" of society? That's not compassion. That's theft. Wouldn't it be
more compassionate to encourage the takers to develop self-respect by
becoming productive citizens?

Would Jesus endorse government policies that encourage and enable
addiction, indolence, and welfare fraud? Certainly not. The Religious
Left should read His parables, especially the Parable of the Talents
(Matthew 25:14-30), the Parable of the Vineyards (Matthew 20:1-16), and
the Parable of the Tenants (Matthew 21:33-46). In those parables, Jesus
blesses hard work, personal responsibility, and the freedom to achieve.

Government programs can't separate the truly needy from the welfare
c***ts -- but private Christian charities can. Private charities are far
more effective than government at meeting needs, changing lives,
eliminating fraud and waste, and dispensing compassion. Our stance as
Christians should be pro-compassion, not pro-bureaucracy.

The place for compassionate Christian social action is in the church,
and in the lives of individual believers. When the church becomes a
political pressure group, telling the government, "Confiscate more
wealth from those who earned it and give it to those who have not," then
the church has formed an unholy union with the kingdoms of this world.

Income redistribution is not Christianity. It's Marxism -- and mixing
the two only pollutes the Gospel and betrays the Great Commission.

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are
willing to work and give to those who would not.

Thomas Jefferson
KEEP JESUS OUT OF YOUR SOCIALISM br br From the w... (show quote)


Thanks

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Apr 7, 2018 22:49:05   #
rumitoid
 
mwdegutis wrote:
So you're saying temporal "filling of the belly" is more important than eternal salvation. Sorry but you're f**ked in the head.


If your belly is filled by a stranger, it is a person you will want to meet and thank. If they are of Christ, the message of salvation is clear.

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Apr 8, 2018 06:27:56   #
out of the woods Loc: to hell and gone New York State
 
rumitoid wrote:
God does not allow consequences to your actions.


What planet are you from? Earth abounds with the consequence of sin and error. For Christians it serves to correct and refine.

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Apr 8, 2018 06:33:50   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
rumitoid wrote:
If your belly is filled by a stranger, it is a person you will want to meet and thank. If they are of Christ, the message of salvation is clear.

If the message of salvation is so "clear," why do so many not get it?

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