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Apr 5, 2018 23:13:06   #
rumitoid
 
BigMike wrote:
Easy Rumi. Know who they are. Live with them. Invite them into your home. Try to work with them. Then you know.

The only reason this is a mystery to you is you're a bag of hot air. Go get your own hands dirty and quit berating everyone else for not living up to your philosophical idea of who they should be.


No. You do not know. That is arrogance. Who they are or what we may think them to be is unimportant. It does not change a wit how a Christian treats them. Our assessment of them is utterly meaningless.

If your responses to me are now consumed with insults, then look at yourself. Why? Is it necessary? Is it productive? Does it aid faith?

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Apr 5, 2018 23:28:56   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
rumitoid wrote:
You have absolutely no clue as to what it means to be poor. If you a have criterion of giving that some will become dependent, you are sick and not Christian. Give freely and let God decide--and not your limited earthly understanding--what is best. Such evaluations are not only beyond you but condemned by the Bible: "Judge not." You are thoroughly incapable of such an assessment. Being kind and generous may enable an addiction, and free a person. YOU DO NOT KNOW. Just love as God commanded, and trust him for the outcome.
You have absolutely no clue as to what it means to... (show quote)


I do.

I was raised by a drug addict and I'm caring for her now.

I grew up a drug addict and everyone I knew was a drug addict or alcoholic (same...exact...thing...BTW).

I committed my first FELONY when I was in elementary school and it only got better.

I beat my dad to prison by one year. He was 21. I was 20.

I've been to jail more times than I can remember.

I lived in my car and slept on the streets.

I shoplifted to eat.

I put all that behind me and changed my life got married and lived happily until we learned my wife had inflammatory breast cancer as she was nursing my newborn daughter.

For 6 years she fought a form of cancer that k**ls many within 10 months and I watched her lose little bits of herself...

Parts of her body...

The ability to do things she loved, like ride horses. We had three once...

Losing other things, maybe even more personal and vital...

And then I lost her...

And then I went back to what I knew to hide...

And then I ended up in prison again...

And then I went to the Salvation Army, which you ignorantly and unfairly disparaged...

And then I got my daughter back at 11. We lived in an apartment and I worked in a hardware store and went to college full time at 40...

And then she went to college and I went to Dutch Harbor and worked 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for 4 months straight with a bunch of youngsters and kicked ass for 4 1/2 years...

I'm a LOT more practice and a lot less theory than you're used to.

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Apr 5, 2018 23:39:27   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
rumitoid wrote:
No. You do not know. That is arrogance. Who they are or what we may think them to be is unimportant. It does not change a wit how a Christian treats them. Our assessment of them is utterly meaningless.

If your responses to me are now consumed with insults, then look at yourself. Why? Is it necessary? Is it productive? Does it aid faith?


...says the man who pretends to know God but doesn't believe God's word.

I'm not insulting you by telling you what you are. You're a non-believer and you led me to believe you were...which is why I'm mad.

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Apr 5, 2018 23:56:52   #
rumitoid
 
BigMike wrote:
I do.

I was raised by a drug addict and I'm caring for her now.

I grew up a drug addict and everyone I knew was a drug addict or alcoholic (same...exact...thing...BTW).

I committed my first FELONY when I was in elementary school and it only got better.

I beat my dad to prison by one year. He was 21. I was 20.

I've been to jail more times than I can remember.

I lived in my car and slept on the streets.

I shoplifted to eat.

I put all that behind me and changed my life got married and lived happily until we learned my wife had inflammatory breast cancer as she was nursing my newborn daughter.

For 6 years she fought a form of cancer that k**ls many within 10 months and I watched her lose little bits of herself...

Parts of her body...

The ability to do things she loved, like ride horses. We had three once...

Losing other things, maybe even more personal and vital...

And then I lost her...

And then I went back to what I knew to hide...

And then I ended up in prison again...

And then I went to the Salvation Army, which you ignorantly and unfairly disparaged...

And then I got my daughter back at 11. We lived in an apartment and I worked in a hardware store and went to college full time at 40...

And then she went to college and I went to Dutch Harbor and worked 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for 4 months straight with a bunch of youngsters and kicked ass for 4 1/2 years...

I'm a LOT more practice and a lot less theory than you're used to.
b I do. /b br br I was raised by a drug addict ... (show quote)


BigMike, I am truly sorry for your losses.

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Apr 5, 2018 23:57:58   #
rumitoid
 
BigMike wrote:
...says the man who pretends to know God but doesn't believe God's word.

I'm not insulting you by telling you what you are. You're a non-believer and you led me to believe you were...which is why I'm mad.


Fine.

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Apr 6, 2018 00:47:56   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
rumitoid wrote:
BigMike, I am truly sorry for your losses.


They aren't ultimately losses. This is why I know you don't know the Jesus you quote so freely.

New International Version Romans 8:28

"And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose."

I've had a hard life and I know what God has done for me.

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Apr 6, 2018 00:48:53   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
rumitoid wrote:
Fine.


Try sincerity instead of sophistry.

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Apr 6, 2018 02:19:04   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
rumitoid wrote:
Is it embarrassing to them that they cannot or will not adequately care for "the least of these"? That mega-churches need mansions on earth more than in heaven? Or missionaries in far off countries rather than free soup kitchens, clothing stores, medical help, rent assistance, shelter, and a huge list of other things? Pastors with million dollar holdings. Pastors being subsidized by their congregants instead of working for a living? Pastors building bigger churches with money that could save and enrich lives?

We are judged by our treatment of "the least of these." That is what the Bible clearly states, no matter what other dogma says about works or faith. Caring for the least of these, out of love and not obligation, not as some duty or goal of being a good Christian, is the only path to heaven. God knows the heart, and to the extent we able to act in this way, by faith and grace, we find Eternal Life.

Conservative Christians are holding protests outside the Pearly Gates.
Is it embarrassing to them that they cannot or wil... (show quote)
Teach A Man To Fish, You Feed Him For Life
Give A Man A Fish, He'll Be Back Tomorrow Saying:
'Where's My Damned Fish, B**ch ??'

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Apr 6, 2018 05:55:41   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
If you don't know, you are an i***t.


Please tell us Crazyzealot.

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Apr 6, 2018 06:04:04   #
Betta
 
The Bible also says to cast not your pearl before swine. I know a woman who is a straight up crack head. She would always call me wanting to "borrow" $20. I had it but told her I did not. I knew what she wanted it for. No way would I give her money to buy crack. I have no doubts that God agreed with me. That's not judging her. That's keeping my money in my pocket.

rumitoid wrote:
You have absolutely no clue as to what it means to be poor. If you a have criterion of giving that some will become dependent, you are sick and not Christian. Give freely and let God decide--and not your limited earthly understanding--what is best. Such evaluations are not only beyond you but condemned by the Bible: "Judge not." You are thoroughly incapable of such an assessment. Being kind and generous may enable an addiction, and free a person. YOU DO NOT KNOW. Just love as God commanded, and trust him for the outcome.
You have absolutely no clue as to what it means to... (show quote)

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Apr 6, 2018 07:40:51   #
rebob14
 
rumitoid wrote:
Is it embarrassing to them that they cannot or will not adequately care for "the least of these"? That mega-churches need mansions on earth more than in heaven? Or missionaries in far off countries rather than free soup kitchens, clothing stores, medical help, rent assistance, shelter, and a huge list of other things? Pastors with million dollar holdings. Pastors being subsidized by their congregants instead of working for a living? Pastors building bigger churches with money that could save and enrich lives?

We are judged by our treatment of "the least of these." That is what the Bible clearly states, no matter what other dogma says about works or faith. Caring for the least of these, out of love and not obligation, not as some duty or goal of being a good Christian, is the only path to heaven. God knows the heart, and to the extent we able to act in this way, by faith and grace, we find Eternal Life.

Conservative Christians are holding protests outside the Pearly Gates.
Is it embarrassing to them that they cannot or wil... (show quote)


1). You shouldn’t Jesus by the actions of those who never accepted Him

2). Feeding and clothing the needy is moral..............confiscating the resources of others to accrue power and calling it charity is amoral.

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Apr 6, 2018 07:57:40   #
Liberty Tree
 
rumitoid wrote:
And how do they properly evaluate that fact of being "able-bodied who refuse to work"? What test? A town loses its industry and a young buck walks in looking for help for his family. He is able-bodied. Refuse him? Shame him? Judge him?


Help him get a job and provide temporary assistance if necessary, but do not allow him to become dependent on others forever. Libs define compassion bt how many get government assistance. Conservative Christians define it by how many no longer need it because they have been helped to become self sufficient. Christians have provided more aide to the needy in the form of homeless shelters, soup kitchens and disaster relief than non Christians have even thought about. Libs want people on welfare and dependent on them because it buys them more v**es. Libs are very generous with other peoples money but do very little personally to help.

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Apr 6, 2018 08:02:30   #
out of the woods Loc: to hell and gone New York State
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Most Christians I know have no problem caring for the truly needy. What we have a problem with is encouraging people to become dependent on the charity of others and being unwilling to help themselves become better people. The soul destroying state of dependency that eats away at all that is human in our very being is a tool of the devil. Unfortunately the "progressives" know that those people who have lost their self worth become pliable and easily controlled, are tools to be used for the destruction of the human race. Instead of lifting themselves up to the glory of God they loose their very being in drugs, alcohol , and deviency.
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Yes ultimately it degrades rather than helping. The liberal agenda is for v**es, control. So the sheeple settle for a substandard existence, no self determination. Total dependance on the government, for various vices, breeds contempt for those who actually live. Throw them a phone and a big screen tv from the rental store, viola, they have the illusion of an actual life. All this strife we're witnessing , they feel threatened and rightly so, that the tide is changing. Go Trump and God Bless him for taking on this monstrosity that our government has become. God Bless the USA.

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Apr 6, 2018 08:22:42   #
Justsss Loc: Wisconsin
 
[quote=rumitoid]That mega-churches need mansions on earth more than in heaven?

rumitoid, Many times I don’t agree with you. This time I’m all in.
A study was conducted by two “Born again” Christians. They dressed in rags and didn’t bathe. Than they started attending churches. EVERY large church asked them to leave, some kindly some not so kindly.
It was the small churches that seemed more willing to help.
Please don’t confuse those that call themselves “Christian” ( joyce behar of the view) and those who are representative of JESUS.
False teachers abound everywhere to lead the flock astray.
Even JESUS stated this, Matthew 26:11 For ye have the poor always with you, but me ye have not always.
Mark 14:7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.
We will always have the poor and the Christian is commended to take care of the children and widows.
Please don’t assume that all of those in the “glass cathedrals” are the same. We each are responsible to GOD for our own actions.
If you truly want to know JESUS pick up GOD’S WORD ( King James) and start reading.

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Apr 6, 2018 08:29:46   #
out of the woods Loc: to hell and gone New York State
 
[quote=Justsss]
rumitoid wrote:
That mega-churches need mansions on earth more than in heaven?

rumitoid, Many times I don’t agree with you. This time I’m all in.
A study was conducted by two “Born again” Christians. They dressed in rags and didn’t bathe. Than they started attending churches. EVERY large church asked them to leave, some kindly some not so kindly.
It was the small churches that seemed more willing to help.
Please don’t confuse those that call themselves “Christian” ( joyce behar of the view) and those who are representative of JESUS.
False teachers abound everywhere to lead the flock astray.
Even JESUS stated this, Matthew 26:11 For ye have the poor always with you, but me ye have not always.
Mark 14:7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.
We will always have the poor and the Christian is commended to take care of the children and widows.
Please don’t assume that all of those in the “glass cathedrals” are the same. We each are responsible to GOD for our own actions.
If you truly want to know JESUS pick up GOD’S WORD ( King James) and start reading.
That mega-churches need mansions on earth more tha... (show quote)


Amen!

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