Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

As much as I'd like to agree with that, I really can't. To say it's 'all Hillary Clinton's fault' is to essentially exonerate everyone else who had a hand in this, and believe it, there are several. Remember, (and again, as much as I'd like it to be so) she did not hold a gun to their heads and demand compliance. She did not have their wives and children at some secret location sending out bits of fingers and toes to intimidate these people. They did this voluntarily, of their own volition. They were so cock-sure of Hillary winning that they threw all caution to the winds and broke every rule in the book. Sadly (for them, happily for us), it didn't turn out as they wanted, so now they get to pay the piper for conspiring in a criminal enterprise.

This is what it looks like when the swamp starts to drain. Ugly, isn't it?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

You can let Hillary off the hook if you want, I can't. She is as much a part of this malfeasance as are all the others involved. This effort to surveil the Trump campaign and undermine his run for POTUS might never have happened had not Hillary Clinton and Obama been leading the pack. As far as I'm concerned the entire liberal progressive movement (democrat party) is guilty.

bahmer

Amen and Amen

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Update... It appears that Carter Page has not exactly been sitting on his hands. In fact, he's been working on a few lawsuits of his own:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/02/02/carter-page-says-hes-updating-lawsuits-thanks-to-fisa-memos-release-n2443722?utm_source=thdailypm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl_pm&newsletterad=

"That Yahoo! article by Michael Isikoff was used to further make the case for the FISA warrant against Page."

Oh dear.

Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas

((laughin)) Judge Low Blood Sugar was probably an O'bozo appointee.
This criminal activity can be investigated Up and Down the Food Chain.
I've seen republican lawyers on CTH today ready to go to work on this Pro Bono.
The longer this plays out the better it gets.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

First Question~The first is yes for many reasons we could go into but still not have a difinitive conclusion..It is a perfect question but one that falls near to imposible given all the different scenerios that paly into it..

If the stories are correct, Obama or his officials may well face prosecution. But, we are still early in all of this and there are a lot of rumors flying around so the key is if the reports are accurate. We just don’t know at this time. The stories currently are three-fold: first, that Obama’s team tried to get a warrant from a regular, Article III federal court on Trump, and was told no by someone along the way (maybe the FBI), as the evidence was that weak or non-existent; second, Obama’s team then tried to circumvent the federal judiciary’s independent role by trying to mislabel the issue one of “foreign agents,” and tried to obtain a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act “courts”, and were again turned down, when the court saw Trump named (an extremely rare act of FISA court refusal of the government, suggesting the evidence was truly non-existent against Trump); and so, third, Obama circumvented both the regular command of the FBI and the regularly appointed federal courts, by placing the entire case as a FISA case (and apparently under Sally Yates at DOJ) as a “foreign” case, and then omitted Trump’s name from a surveillance warrant submitted to the FISA court, which the FISA court unwittingly granted, which Obama then misused to spy on Trump and many connected to Trump. Are these allegations true? We don’t know yet, but if any part of them are then Obama and/or his officials acting in cohort with him or even using their power of office to misrepresent the facts to the Judge you can gaurantee he will see some of those faces again but in serious trouble....

Can a President be charged with a crime? Only once out of office. .....
if the facts were misrepresented as it appears is the case then any and all done could be stricken by the Judge along with he calling for charges...Can you imagine if that happened where the dems would then be?? Done, I say!! Charges could range from lying, misrepresenting the facts, obstruction, purjury etc..Remember Flynns agreement to pleade guilty because he lied?? He did so to eliminate that potentia 5 year sentence he could have gotten..

I think every one involved with the dossier wishes it would disappear especially now that we have confirmation of the players used to procure it...

This witch hunt is so exposed for what it is that I doubt Mueller would take it up again or that he would be appointed again..His conflict of Interest was obvious from the beginning and when he accepted the appointees should have pulled him..I don't care who they were...Likewise his little Ukraine involvement really stinks too!

bahmer

I have heard that the FISA memo was only the first in a series of memos and the rest are due to be released soon. That is all that I have read so far.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Ah! See! Now you're on my page! Nothing about letting her 'off the hook', much more about putting responsibility where it belongs, with all of them!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

bahmer, I had not heard this before but will certainly watch for more on it...Thank you...

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Is that a polite way of saying the more they run their mouths filled with the lies they keep putting out to hide the t***h the more they kick themself in the Tuchhhh??

Yes, I do agree.. They have nothing to hide yet McCabe is resigning and Rosenstein is as well??

Nothing to hide yet femently oppose releasing it?? Again, if nothing to it how is it a national secutity issue other than showing us the enemy within?? They didnt want their top dogs exposed?? They didnt want the people to see just how low clinton is and how low they play their games with BO and the DNC fully involved?? Riiiggghhhttttt!!!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Have you really thought about the implications of what is really going on not only to Trump but to each of us!! It concerns the American people, just ad much,as evidenced by a previous FISA report in which 85% of the National Security Agency's searches were illegal against American citizens in violation of the Constitution then too.. What was done about it?? Obviously nothing..!! So we just sit back while more of it is done and becomes the accepted norm??

The FISA memo stated that the now debunked dossier, which was authored by former British spy Christopher Steele and commissioned by Fusion GPS, and was paid by the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign was used to initiate unconstitutional spying on the Trump campaign...

Soooooo where the hell are the charges?? The arrests?? Who is looking into it?? Sessions?? Another riiiggghhhttt...seriously what goes from here?? I want to know what is planned !!!

Years of investigation which is really just giving it all time to dry up and move on as usal?? Are you writing your reps? Have you demanded the ousting of any and all involved with charges not just early retirement with full benegits they do not deserve!!!

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Fun to watch, isn't it?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

I took the time to type the memo, I left out some of the preliminary paragraphs. Here is the meat and potatoes.

From The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence:

On October 21, 2016, DOJ and FBI sought and received a FISA probable cause order (not under Title VII) authorizing electronic surveillance on Carter Page from the FISC. Page is a U.S, ciitzen who served as a volunteer advisor to the Trump p**********l campaign. Consistent with requirements under FISA, the application had to be first certified by the Director or Deputy Director of the FBI. It then required the approval of the Attorney General, Deputy Attorney General (DAG), or the senate-confirmed Assistant Attorney General for the National Security Division.

The FBI and DOJ obtained one initial FISA warrant targeting Carter Page and three FISA renewals from the FISC. As required by statute (50 U.S.C. &1805(d)(1), a FISA order on an American citizen must be renewed by the FISC every 90 days and each renewal requires a separate finding of probable cause. Then-Director James Comey signed three FISA applications in question on behalf of the FBI. and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe signed one. Then-DAG Sally Yates, then-acting DAG Dana Boente, and DAG Rod Rosenstein each signed one or more FISA applications on behalf of DOJ.

In the case of Carter Page, the government had at least four independent opportunities before the FISC to accurately provide an accounting of the relevant facts. However, our findings indicate that, as described below, material and relevant information was omitted.

1)The "dossier" compiled by Christopher Steele on behalf of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Hillary Clinton campaign formed an essential part of the Carter Page FISA application. Steele was a longtime FBI source who was paid over $160,000 by the DNC and Clinton campaign, via the law firm Perkins Coie and research firm Fusion GPS, to obtain derogatory on Donald Trump ties to Russia.

a) Neither the initial application in October 2016, nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele's efforts, even though the political origins of the Steele dossier were then known to senior DOJ and FBI officials.

b) The initial FISA application notes Steele was working for a named U.S.person, but does not name Fusion GPS amd principal Glenn Simpson, who was paid by a U.S. law firm (Perkins Coie) representing the DNC (even though it was known by DOJ at the time that political actors were involved with the Steele dossier). The application does not mention Steele was ultimately working on behalf of--and paid by--the DNC and Clinton camapaign, or that the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele for the same information.

2) The Carter Page FISA application also cited extensively a September 23, 2016, Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, which focuses on Page's July 2016 trip to Moscow. This article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it is derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News The Page FISA application incorrectly assesses that Steele did not directly provide information to Yahoo News. Steele has admitted in British court filings that he met with Yahoo News/ --and several other outlets--in September 2016 at the direction of Fusion GPS. Perkins Coie was aware of Steele's initial media contacts because they hosted at least one meeting in Washington D.C. in 2016 with Steele and Fusion GPS where this matter was discussed.

a) Steele was suspended and then terminated as an FBI source for what the FBI defines as the most serious of violations--an unauthorized disclosure to the media of his relationship with the FBI in an October 30, 2016, Mother Jones article by David Corn. Steele should have been terminated for his previous undisclosed contacts with Yahoo and other outlets in September--before the Page application was submitted to the FISC in October--but Steele improperly concealed from and lied to the FBI about these contacts.

b) Steele's numerous encounters with the media violated the cardinal rule of source handling--maintaining confidentiality--and demonstrated that Steele had become a less than reliable source for the FBI.

3) Before and after Steele was terminated as a source, he maintained contact with DOJ via then-Associate Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr, a senior DOJ official who worked closely with Deputy Attorneys General Yates and later Rosenstein. Shortly after the e******n, the FBI began interviewing Ohr, documenting his communications with Steele. For example, in September 2016, Steele admitted to Ohr his feelings against then-candidate Trump when Steele said he "was desparate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president." This clear evidence of Steele's bias was recorded by Ohr at the time and subsequently in official FBI files--but not reflected in any of the Page FISA applications.

a) During this same period, Ohr's wife was employed by Fusion GPS to assist in the cultivation of opposition research on Trump. Ohr later provided the FBI with all his wife's opposition research, paid for by the DNC and Clinton campaign via Fusion GPS. The Ohr's relationship with Steele and Fusion GPS was inexplicably concealed from the FISC.

4) According to the head of the FBI's counterintelligence division, Assistant Director Bill Priestap, corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its "infancy" at the time of the initial Page FISA application. After Steele was terminated, a source validation report conducted by an independent unit within the FBI assessed Steele's reporting as only minimally corroborated. Yet, in early January, 2017, Director Comey briefed President-elect Trump on a summary of the Steele dossier, even though it was--according to his June 2017 testimony--"salacious and unverified." While the FISA application relied on Steele's past record of credible reporting on other unrelated matters, it ignored or concealed his anti-Trump financial and ideological motivations. Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.

5) The Page FISA application also mentions information regarding fellow Trump campaign advisor George Papadopoulos. The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok. Strzok was reassigned by the Special Counsel's Office to FBI Human Resources for improper text messages with his mistress, FBI Attorney Lisa Page (no known relation to Carter Page), where the both demonstrated a clear bias against Trump and in favor of Clinton, whom Strzok had also investigated. The Strzok/Lisa Page texts also reflect extensive discussions about the investigation, orchestrating leaks to the media, and include a meeting with Deputy Director McCabe to discuss an "insurance" policy against President Trump's e******n.

Big Kahuna

You are right we need to get these two corrupt ovommit f*ggot leftovers and many other ovommit leftovers out of the way so that we can move our country forward and not backward to regressivism under ovommit. Put this bs behind us, put these corrupt demonrats in prison and unshackle the chains these fools have bound our country with for 8 long years.

Bug58

Now, we await the Grassley and Goodlatte releases of information, as well as the OIG Report..should be interesting