Patty quotes any source, left or right, with Anti-American slant. Besides Jeff, she quotes Paul Craig Roberts, Lyndon LaRouche, Ron Paul, and RT (Russia Today, a Russian propaganda source) depicting America as the aggressor nation and imperialist. Two or 3 subjects a day since joining March 4 (total of 39 as of now) all but 2 or 3 aiming to discredit American positions on Ukraine and Middle East...a sophisticated Russian propaganda operation.

World politics involve awkward options that sometimes end up with wrongs and contradictions that can be used to discredit us if one doesn't look at intention and the larger picture. In general the world supports America in world action and specifically on Ukraine and Syria and Libya and for sure Afghanistan and I think also Iraq. Patty uses anything negative in those situations without consideration of the positive side. I can accept criticism of the various contradictions inevitable in actions but I cannot accept deliberate twisting for Russian propaganda purposes.

Patty's posts were preceded by postings with quotes from same sources with same anti-American pro-Russian propaganda lines--user name Capitalist. Patty's subject postings started the same day Capitalist's ended. Capitalist was the new user name of Pana, and Capitalist postings began the same day Pana's stopped. Pana's subjects and quotes and story line of America the Bad were same as Capitalist and Pat.

The nature of this propaganda operation can be assessed by checking out P.C.Roberts and LaRouche articles on America and Ukraine and Middle East and by checking two or three of Patty's subject postings related to those subjects. Two Pana subject postings dating a month ago also summarize the propaganda line: "How to dismantle the American Empire" and "US revealed as mastermind behind Ukraine unrest" and also two posted by Capitalist "Ukraine" and "China the voice of reason"...Patty posted the same subject title, "China the voice of reason."

Once the sources and quotes and posted subjects are checked out, the pro-Russia anti-America intent is obvious...just that one by one some of the postings are quite convincing for some OPP participants left and right. Interesting situation! If two of the participants on this thread hadn't had firsthand experience that contradicted the propaganda line, Patty would have succeeded in convincing some participants America was totally in the wrong and a villain nation. Gitmo is a very awkward situation for America, but thanks to Ver'hoe and Vernon now I know that some of the negative story lines about Gitmo are fabrications. Thank you in particular Ver'hoe, and thank you further for your service in Afghanistan and also to you, Vernon.

I have watched that,,, I had to when I worked at NORTHCOM,,, there is a picture in there of a helicopter shooting the buildings,,,,

I flew helicopters, and worked with ordinance as a Forward Air Controller for the USMC... would it change your mind at all, if I told you that there is NO MUNITION that that helicopter could carry, that would even damage the building significantly much less knock it down??

You would have to have a JDMM,,, (J-DAM) otherwise, it wont work,,,, like I have said, I have given you the benefit of my actually professional experience,,,, your video is a conspiracy theory and not a shred of factual data,,,, I am sorry,,,,

I have been on ships, that caught fire, contrary to what Rosie Odummel thinks, "steel does Boyn"

Other than that, bring up wh**ever point you want and where I can, I will tell you what actually happened. Except for things that are still classified.

Now, dont be in too big a hurry, I have done a lot for the govt that you do NOT know of,,, I too have a healthy and getting healthier "distrust" of them,,, even my own party,,, cause I have seen them in action....
I think they had some knowledge of this event that they are not owning up to... but the ordinance claimed in these reports, would not have worked.

I also was trained in explosives,, for example,,,, and when people talk about oklahoma city... being a fertilizer bomb,,, I have occasion to wonder. Could it work?? Yeah, I guess so, but if you asked me to blow up a bldg, and get those results, I sure as hell wouldnt choose that explosive,,, too risky that it might not work. It could have happened, but I sure wouldnt bet on it. So, yeah, I look at things like that, like you, and I just get the feeling I am not getting the whole story,,, kind of like when my kids were lying and I just knew it.