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Mar 15, 2014 19:24:37   #
bahmer
 
koondy3 wrote:
1) Do you believe Sowell should "side" with his group, if he believes his group is wrong?

2) What do you believe Thomas Sowell's "group" is?

3) If Thomas Sowell believed his group was being fed poison by another member of their group, would it be good or bad to tell them?

***I'm new to this site, and I haven't been sure if some of the texts you sent were meant for me. Please put "k3" or something at the beginning, so I will know. Thanks


It is an open forum and you can jump in anytime also please use the quote reply tag at the bottom of the quote that you are responding to. This will let others know as to who and what you are responding to. Thank you.

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Mar 15, 2014 19:30:09   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Good for you. I am glad that you have such nice friends, It is too bad that you cut my remarks off; impolite at least. Now go and live the rest of your life in happiness and peace. You nor I am adding anything to this thread on writers, so unless you go back on subject I do not intend to continue to respond to your personal attacks on me or your praise of yourself.

I do need to add the current FBI stats regarding violence:

Religious bias

Of the 1,480 victims of an anti-religious h**e crime:
&#9726;63.2 percent were victims of an offenderÂ’s anti-Jewish bias.
&#9726;12.5 percent were victims of an anti-Islamic bias.
&#9726;5.7 percent were victims of an anti-Catholic bias.
&#9726;4.4 percent were victims of a bias against groups of individuals of varying religions (anti-multiple religions, group).
&#9726;3.4 percent were victims of an anti-Protestant bias.
&#9726;0.3 percent were victims of an anti-Atheist/Agnostic bias.
&#9726;10.5 percent were victims of a bias against other religions (anti-other religion). (Based on Table 1.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/h**e-crime/2011/narratives/victims

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ginnyt wrote:
I do know history, but thank you for the recommendation. It was considerate of you. You are quite right, Jews were at the forefront of the civil rights movement. But, even you know that the Negro of today is so far removed from the decent men and women we stood with. Now Jews are consistently attacked by the children and grandchildren of those people. Our neighborhoods are being more compressed by those children and grandchildren. Those children and grandchildren rob us, murder us, and spit on us. So, please tell me about how much I should love and protect them. Tell me, when is enough is enough. Tell me when is it that we have your permission to live in the homes that our families established years ago or allowed to operate our business built years ago without being harassed, intimidated, and k**led by the same people and their children/grandchildren?



Ginny,

I have no idea of where you live. I live in N. California. My city is very integrated in terms of housing, schools, and public parks. I interact with black people every day. I never have problems. When I show respect. I get respect back. I also refer to people by the names that they prefer to call themselves.

I have never been harassed by "those" children and grandchildren. Black children approach my wife and I every day. They make threatening remarks such as, "Is it OK if I pet your dog?"
I do know history, but thank you for the recommend... (show quote)

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Mar 15, 2014 19:40:09   #
bahmer
 
bmac32 wrote:
You'll never see it, you won't or I won't live long enough. One race baitor steps down and another takes their place.


That is so true. I refuse to even read Brian or Glaucon anymore and I just pan past them like they don't exist which they don't. They only exist if we let them.

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Mar 15, 2014 20:09:27   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Thankyou for trying I was getting the gist of your words and I liked it.
koondy3 wrote:
Sorry, I got cut off.

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Mar 15, 2014 21:25:01   #
ninetogo
 
fom wrote:
Kevyn made a valid point and you seem to believe that Unions and democrats who are Black are a bad thing.


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fom wrote:
Kevyn made a valid point and you seem to believe that Unions and democrats who are Black are a bad thing.



I will play nice, despite your lack of reading comprehension. Reread my previous post slowly and explain to me how you could reach such a conclusion or if you want to mis-characterize what I said, that is ok. I will take the time to give you further illumination. In the past 20 years, the Democrat Party has relied on the Black v**e to install congressional members. B****s drank the kool-aide, & believed their interest was best served by the Democrat Party. The set-asides, preferential treatment, & quotas that were reserved for minorities (b****s constituted the majority incorporated in the minority programs) were advertised by the Democrat Party as beneficial for entry into the middle class. The gotcha in this equation is that b****s were perceived as not being able to compete on a level playing field. This Democrat strategy built a dependency on the party and assured a black block v**e.

A younger generation of b****s arrived on the scene and began to question if their interest was truly being served by these liberal programs. If they achieved success, it was viewed with a jaundiced eye and the question remained, was it due to hard work-ambition-talent- drive or was it a direct result of the set aside programs, & quotas. Their ability was questioned when they arrived in a corporate setting, yet the quotas assured them positions regardless of capability.

Many younger b****s begin to understand the underlying issues surrounding dependency on a government handout. Conservative views were evaluated and adopted by many b****s. As a method of corralling these stray b****s that departed from Democrat plantation, they were called 'uncle Toms', 'Oreos' and cast in the worst possible light.

I personally think that every individual needs to evaluate the political group that best represents their values. The old guard civil rights b****s have been leaders to the black community. The new generation, despite lessons from the older generation, are questioning whether the Jessie Jackson, Al Sharptons of this world are truly benefiting the black community or are they making a financial windfall from manufacturing racial discord and the victim mentality. I have several black friends that educated me about the above items.

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Mar 15, 2014 22:08:52   #
koondy3 Loc: Connecticut
 
bahmer wrote:
It is an open forum and you can jump in anytime also please use the quote reply tag at the bottom of the quote that you are responding to. This will let others know as to who and what you are responding to. Thank you.


Thanks, bahmer...very much!

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Mar 15, 2014 22:34:59   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Thankyou for your civil and informative reply. Do you believe Labor Unions which do give B****s an even playing field by classifieing them as workers along with all other workers and worthy of representation and equal treatment in the workplace?
ninetogo wrote:
I will play nice, despite your lack of reading comprehension. Reread my previous post slowly and explain to me how you could reach such a conclusion or if you want to mis-characterize what I said, that is ok. I will take the time to give you further illumination. In the past 20 years, the Democrat Party has relied on the Black v**e to install congressional members. B****s drank the kool-aide, & believed their interest was best served by the Democrat Party. The set-asides, preferential treatment, & quotas that were reserved for minorities (b****s constituted the majority incorporated in the minority programs) were advertised by the Democrat Party as beneficial for entry into the middle class. The gotcha in this equation is that b****s were perceived as not being able to compete on a level playing field. This Democrat strategy built a dependency on the party and assured a black block v**e.

A younger generation of b****s arrived on the scene and began to question if their interest was truly being served by these liberal programs. If they achieved success, it was viewed with a jaundiced eye and the question remained, was it due to hard work-ambition-talent- drive or was it a direct result of the set aside programs, & quotas. Their ability was questioned when they arrived in a corporate setting, yet the quotas assured them positions regardless of capability.

Many younger b****s begin to understand the underlying issues surrounding dependency on a government handout. Conservative views were evaluated and adopted by many b****s. As a method of corralling these stray b****s that departed from Democrat plantation, they were called 'uncle Toms', 'Oreos' and cast in the worst possible light.

I personally think that every individual needs to evaluate the political group that best represents their values. The old guard civil rights b****s have been leaders to the black community. The new generation, despite lessons from the older generation, are questioning whether the Jessie Jackson, Al Sharptons of this world are truly benefiting the black community or are they making a financial windfall from manufacturing racial discord and the victim mentality. I have several black friends that educated me about the above items.
I will play nice, despite your lack of reading com... (show quote)

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Mar 15, 2014 22:54:02   #
ninetogo
 
Fom;

I have a random opinion of unions, having observed IBEW and IAM personnel during strikes; this soured my opinion of unions, so I will not be objective. You would be better served to ask someone else.

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Mar 15, 2014 23:16:08   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Alright fair enough. I was once a member of the United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners local 190
ninetogo wrote:
Fom;

I have a random opinion of unions, having observed IBEW and IAM personnel during strikes; this soured my opinion of unions, so I will not be objective. You would be better served to ask someone else.

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Mar 15, 2014 23:24:04   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
fom wrote:
Alright fair enough. I was once a member of the United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners local 190


I was a member of the Musicians Union, Local 546, and I still have a bad attitude. The ONLY thing of value I ever got out of it was inexpensive insurance for my equipment.

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Mar 15, 2014 23:30:38   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Are there any posters here who can say they are against labor unions that do give B****s an even playing field by representing them as equals with other workers? What is your reasoning for this if you are against Unions?

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Mar 15, 2014 23:44:07   #
ninetogo
 
Fom;

I do not mean to hijack this thread, but want to share a story with you and the other posters. This story is somewhat related, so I do not feel that bad about sharing.
I live in one of the 28 Metro-Atlanta counties, but one that is ranked in the top three most affluent in the State of Georgia. The county school system contains 5 high Schools and two are nationally ranked. The education system has motivated the more affluent b****s to relocate into the county. The ratio of b****s to w****s falls between 22 to 23 percent. This county is politically very Conservative and has held county wide e******ns for the past 146 years.

The NAACP decided that our county prevented the black population from electing candidates of their choice to the County Board of Education and Board of County Commissioners. A Federal Law suit was filed against the Board of Education and Board of County Commissioners.

The suit claimed that our county had only had one elected black candidate within the past 25 years. This suit resulted in County legal fees of over $350,000 and the NAACP legal bills were paid by the National Office of the NAACP. The net result is the Federal Judge ordered that the county be cut into 5 districts, with one district designated as a Minority-Majority district. Presently, each county resident is restricted to v**e for only the candidate(s) representing the district in which they live.

I will now offer my best impersonation of Paul Harvey and share "The Rest of the Story". The NAACP had offered . only Democrat / Progressive black candidates in three previous e******ns. Their platforms fell on deaf ears and the v**ers defeated those candidates by overwhelming margins. It was not the color of their skin, but the content of their message. In absolute t***h, a democrat/ progressive of any stripes could not be elected dog catcher in this county.

The Georgia Democrat Party has long looked for an opening to gain an elected official in this county but knew that dog would not hunt. I do not have conclusive proof, but suspect that the GDP assisted the NAACP in organizing the law suit. The Federal judge has approved a district v****g map that is the most gerrymandered district east of the Mississippi River. This district 5 minority-majority map looks like a drunk snake, and travels 28 miles to give a minority population of 50.2%. The net result is every v****g citizen in this county has had their v**e diluted 80% to create this new v****g district.

The point of this story is to share that in some cases race and the observation of r****m or bigotry is purely a smokescreen to hide a political agenda. I have noticed that tactic on more than one occasion on OPP. Thanks for reading.

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Mar 16, 2014 00:02:18   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
This does sound bewildering. sad really. thanks for the education
ninetogo wrote:
Fom;

I do not mean to hijack this thread, but want to share a story with you and the other posters. This story is somewhat related, so I do not feel that bad about sharing.
I live in one of the 28 Metro-Atlanta counties, but one that is ranked in the top three most affluent in the State of Georgia. The county school system contains 5 high Schools and two are nationally ranked. The education system has motivated the more affluent b****s to relocate into the county. The ratio of b****s to w****s falls between 22 to 23 percent. This county is politically very Conservative and has held county wide e******ns for the past 146 years.

The NAACP decided that our county prevented the black population from electing candidates of their choice to the County Board of Education and Board of County Commissioners. A Federal Law suit was filed against the Board of Education and Board of County Commissioners.

The suit claimed that our county had only had one elected black candidate within the past 25 years. This suit resulted in County legal fees of over $350,000 and the NAACP legal bills were paid by the National Office of the NAACP. The net result is the Federal Judge ordered that the county be cut into 5 districts, with one district designated as a Minority-Majority district. Presently, each county resident is restricted to v**e for only the candidate(s) representing the district in which they live.

I will now offer my best impersonation of Paul Harvey and share "The Rest of the Story". The NAACP had offered . only Democrat / Progressive black candidates in three previous e******ns. Their platforms fell on deaf ears and the v**ers defeated those candidates by overwhelming margins. It was not the color of their skin, but the content of their message. In absolute t***h, a democrat/ progressive of any stripes could not be elected dog catcher in this county.

The Georgia Democrat Party has long looked for an opening to gain an elected official in this county but knew that dog would not hunt. I do not have conclusive proof, but suspect that the GDP assisted the NAACP in organizing the law suit. The Federal judge has approved a district v****g map that is the most gerrymandered district east of the Mississippi River. This district 5 minority-majority map looks like a drunk snake, and travels 28 miles to give a minority population of 50.2%. The net result is every v****g citizen in this county has had their v**e diluted 80% to create this new v****g district.

The point of this story is to share that in some cases race and the observation of r****m or bigotry is purely a smokescreen to hide a political agenda. I have noticed that tactic on more than one occasion on OPP. Thanks for reading.
Fom; br br I do not mean to hijack this thread, b... (show quote)

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Mar 16, 2014 00:03:26   #
koondy3 Loc: Connecticut
 
fom wrote:
Thankyou for trying I was getting the gist of your words and I liked it.

Thanks, fom. I'll continue; and I suppose you could scroll back to the original message. So, it wouldn't matter what color the writer is, if the news outlet "only" put-out a right wing slant, anyway. Now, if the Black writer/commentator is extolling "Conservative" principles as a remedy, for the B****s he is chastising...it's seems reasonable that the White audience would be much more receptive, while"b****s are wondering what's up"; because most of his audience would likely be White, since most B****s are Democrats. As you have mentioned...you have occasionally sighted a Black Republican. This, though, brings us to another thing. The word "Conservative" has been co-opted by the Progressives...in "both" parties. Democrats like to toss them (Conservatives and Republicans) all in the same pan, which is easy to do; because the entire Republican Party used to be much more Conservative, overall and as a result...the only Conservatives in Congress are "registered" Republicans. The majority of today's Republicans in Congress have gone Progressive and want little to do with the "real" or "original type" Republicans; as is typical of politicians, Progressive Republicans don't mind claiming the mantle of Conservatism, to keep v**ers. There are many who claim to be Conservative; but those who believe in small government and "conserving" the Constitution, are not so easy to find in Washington. As far as "'White' Conservative thinking"...no such thing. You don't have to be White to be a Conservative, any more than you have to be Yellow to be a C*******t. FDR had was a Democrat before B****s were v****g in this country. Does that mean Black Democrats have White Democratic thinking? Black Democrats have Democrat thinking (wh**ever it is). And, Black Conservatives have Conservative thinking (wh**ever "that" is). There's no color about it. That's just an illusion that's been created.

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Mar 16, 2014 00:29:29   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Thankyou very much You put yourself forward most eloquently and completely fair and without bias Very refreshing.
koondy3 wrote:
Thanks, fom. I'll continue; and I suppose you could scroll back to the original message. So, it wouldn't matter what color the writer is, if the news outlet "only" put-out a right wing slant, anyway. Now, if the Black writer/commentator is extolling "Conservative" principles as a remedy, for the B****s he is chastising...it's seems reasonable that the White audience would be much more receptive, while"b****s are wondering what's up"; because most of his audience would likely be White, since most B****s are Democrats. As you have mentioned...you have occasionally sighted a Black Republican. This, though, brings us to another thing. The word "Conservative" has been co-opted by the Progressives...in "both" parties. Democrats like to toss them (Conservatives and Republicans) all in the same pan, which is easy to do; because the entire Republican Party used to be much more Conservative, overall and as a result...the only Conservatives in Congress are "registered" Republicans. The majority of today's Republicans in Congress have gone Progressive and want little to do with the "real" or "original type" Republicans; as is typical of politicians, Progressive Republicans don't mind claiming the mantle of Conservatism, to keep v**ers. There are many who claim to be Conservative; but those who believe in small government and "conserving" the Constitution, are not so easy to find in Washington. As far as "'White' Conservative thinking"...no such thing. You don't have to be White to be a Conservative, any more than you have to be Yellow to be a C*******t. FDR had was a Democrat before B****s were v****g in this country. Does that mean Black Democrats have White Democratic thinking? Black Democrats have Democrat thinking (wh**ever it is). And, Black Conservatives have Conservative thinking (wh**ever "that" is). There's no color about it. That's just an illusion that's been created.
Thanks, fom. I'll continue; and I suppose you cou... (show quote)


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