kankune Loc: Iowa

Why do you think that Manning has to justify anything to you?? He believes what he believes and has every right to that. He does not have to "justify" his beliefs to you or anyone else.

thinksense

You are right Cancun, or maybe I should say "Would be right" if we were not talking about what we are and where we are.

He and I are both anonymous posters discussing a point. Nothing can really come back to haunt him from our discussion or my question.

I suggest that v****g is a government con game played on the unthinking citizen, to fool him into believing that bad situations for the citizens can be corrected by v****g. This is done to confuse the average Joe and as long as average Joe doesn’t realize the con, no matter how angry and frustrated Joe becomes, it helps to keep him from joining a bloody r*******n.


He seems not to understand that the v**e doesn’t/can’t work because of the way the v**e is set up and administered.

He has no say in who is offered as a candidate. Doesn’t even know if the candidate has a real existence. (Could be a Disney Cartoon character actor.)

He is not allowed to know any true facts about the candidate’s character or attitude, since the only information he gets is bought and paid for by political funding, paid to the MSM. And we all know how far you can trust the MSM, don’t we?

He has no way to determine if the v**es are counted properly.

YET, HE CLAIMS THAT THE V**E IS REAL, HONEST AND HE HAS “FAITH” IN IT.

Yet Manning seems intelligent. And he finds it impossible to answer my questions, and must change the subject to try to explain himself, by saying he is more comfortable having FAITH.

Faith....a firm belief in something for which there is no proof...Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary.

Something is wrong with this picture and I am trying to find out what and how it came to be. I contend that the “wrong” is because through early educational chicanery our minds and our ability to think rationally (think sense) has been purposely damaged.

I am trying to wake Manning and everyone else who reads this.

kankune Loc: Iowa

After reading your post, I feel.you are a person that looks at the glass half empty, a pessimist that believes that if someone isn't as pessimistic as you they must be dumber then a load of rocks..Do you really think.you know more and have better access to things then anyone else. Fact is you dont...youre blowing smoke with your physco babble, and you aren't opening anyone's eyes to.anything. Just my thoughts...take them or leave them. Means nothing to me either way.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

I think thinksense brings up some points to consider and expose, as far as what has been taking place;
BUT
We never give up in exposing the dark side.
After all; The Good Guys win in the end.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

No more time to instruct you either; girl of many personalities.

Ricktloml

I would never assume to speak for Manning, or anyone else on this forum. Speaking for myself, a lot of "average Joes" are neither ignorant or duped, although it is patently obvious that there are a good number of useful i***ts here in the U.S. I am painfully aware of the corruption, fraud and abuse endemic throughout our system of governance, including the se******n of candidates, the v****g process, and the rank lack of accountability once these politicians get in office. I believe as a citizen I am required to work towards fixing these egregious problems. It may be that we are past the time when a solution can be reached through civil, political means, but the effort does need to be made. I desperately hope one bloody revolution and one civil war is enough to make a lasting impression on this country. However if "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants", there are millions of very awake citizens who are capable of meeting that awful challenge. The hope is it can be turned around before it gets to that point, and if you don't try ALL other methods first, you will never know if they would have been successful

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Thanks for taking the time to spell it out real well, Ricktloml

The fight for getting the t***h out and understood, must be fought first, to take back the soul of our nation.
That is happening in spite of Big Money/Elitists and their MSM.

Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia

My answer was simple. I v**e a straight ticket for Republicans, because I have faith in the Party system. I v**ed for Trump and he was elected despite the odds everyone gave his chances. He was elected, thank God! I do believe in the v****g process: it is the best that could be done in any Nation to have a voice, however small. I need not justify my faiths to you; just believe that I hold them and v**e for those who follow them. That is our system, and I know of no better one in the world. Perhaps you do?

kankune Loc: Iowa

Maybe you understand him better then I do......

Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia

I concur with Rick.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"On v****g: as a Conservative I tend to follow the Republican party line as it is the best bet to realize my objectives. It is virtually impossible for me to properly vet an individual candidate all by myself, especially when the noise from the opposition drowns out other voices..." - Manning

The Republicans have the right party line, but there are RINOs/moles in the party, that fight the conservative agenda.
Beware of NeoCON X-democrats also.

Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia

Exactly!

Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia

This line of questioning seems designed to cause doubt in our system of e******ns that we have had for over 230 years. Furthermore, it reeks of the radical's style of spreading controversy, and doubt in our Constitution and organization. It is very like what Sal Alinsky or Cloward and Piven would create. So let me ask you, Tninksense, are you one of those radicals that wants the American Way of Life rebuilt in your image of a collective government?

thinksense

Now you are being silly.

If a person states that he v**es the party ticket, what he is really stating is that he is either too dumb or lazy to research the candidates individually, as he was taught to do in junior high civics class. This person announces that he is unfit to v**e.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. This person announces that he is insane.

And you ask me an insulting set of questions, after I have announced myself as belonging to the Group that says “MIND YOU OWN BUSINESS” ? I am a libertarian.

Wow! You will have to do better than that effort to bismirch my name.

Manning345 Loc: Richmond, Virginia

Nevertheless, your line of questioning tags you as trying to undermine our system of v****g in the minds of your audience, wh**ever your stated and actual affiliations. I have my doubts. You are doing a fine job all by yourself.

Most adults have gone through your doubting questions fairly early on, and made a decision to v**e their mind despite the possible difficulties up and down the chain. Most rational people do what they can to support the system and to make it better; and quite obviously some do not.

Further, once you realize that to v**e the man and not the party is often to effectively destroy any chances for a coherent party platform to succeed, as well as your own ideas of what is needed, you then revert to v**e for the closest party and candidates that represent your ideas. This is a system where the majority rules and you want your selected party to be in that majority.

Today, that v**e is plainly necessary since the two parties are nearly equal in number, and vastly different in ideology, intent, and even allegiance to our Constitution: a counter v**e is mandatory in this instance. I assume here that the v**er in question has a well-defined agenda he himself supports, and he desires the platform and candidate he v**es for to align with his own agenda in considerable detail. It is apparent, however, that some v**ers have no specific agenda of their own...or an agenda that is off the wall, or even a single issue is all he v**es for.

As for doing research on the candidates, that is a given to the extent you can find reliable information in this era of spin and lies. Most people develop a few well-informed sources whom they trust to help in the whole process. Paying attention to a candidate's promised agenda as he campaigns for office is an excellent guide when the positions stated are very close to your own, or diametrically opposed, and whether you can believe in his success and ability to carry out his promises. This meeting of promises reinforces the necessity for a strong party alignment.

Nothing says you must v**e for someone you believe to be unfit, either, but there are times when you hold your nose and v**e anyway; the gain for the party, and hence your ideas of what is needed, outweighs your objections to a particular candidate. Or, as is sometimes the case, you are v****g against a candidate you do not like for concrete reasons, no matter who the other candidate is ---he must be the better choice! By and large, though, the best results for your ideas to take hold is to v**e for the party candidates you believe in.