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Dec 18, 2017 19:41:43   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
you just mis-explained the situation. it it not about price it is about equal speed and service to all. That is what is regulated now. FCC and big ISP wish to charge and provide as they wish not equally to all customers.


moldyoldy wrote:
I think you are attacking those who agree with you.

With net neutrality in place, internet service providers have little say on what passes through the mechanisms that are used by customers to access the internet. There are controls in place for illegal activities, but companies like Comcast or AT&T wouldn’t be able to change how a customer’s data is delivered to them. This means an ISP under net neutrality cannot block access, change services, or alter the flow of data simply because there is something that goes on which they don’t like. We can already see that the powers-that-be are trying to limit freedom of speech. We have to wise up and understand what's going on Especially with Trump in office. We have to be unwilling to hand over the keys to our freedom or risk becoming Germany of the 1940's.
Understand that innovation has to be protected at all cost. But only if the Internet remains neutral not only to innovation but also freedom of expression. Ask yourself who benefits from an Internet that is controlled by the few?
When the internet becomes a place where profitability is the primary concern, the idea of providing free internet access to those who cannot afford it goes away. Providers could charge wh**ever they wanted and restrict access to whomever they please. This could lead to demographic discrimination, socioeconomic discrimination, or prioritize content to the wealthiest who are willing to pay high prices for the fastest data streams. https://tacticalsecret.com/.../cjones11112014-600x458.jpg
I think you are attacking those who agree with you... (show quote)

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Dec 18, 2017 19:45:52   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Since the first few sentences describe this thread I thought some might enjoy.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2851979/net-neutrality-five-myths-and-the-real-facts.html


moldyoldy wrote:
I think you are attacking those who agree with you.

With net neutrality in place, internet service providers have little say on what passes through the mechanisms that are used by customers to access the internet. There are controls in place for illegal activities, but companies like Comcast or AT&T wouldn’t be able to change how a customer’s data is delivered to them. This means an ISP under net neutrality cannot block access, change services, or alter the flow of data simply because there is something that goes on which they don’t like. We can already see that the powers-that-be are trying to limit freedom of speech. We have to wise up and understand what's going on Especially with Trump in office. We have to be unwilling to hand over the keys to our freedom or risk becoming Germany of the 1940's.
Understand that innovation has to be protected at all cost. But only if the Internet remains neutral not only to innovation but also freedom of expression. Ask yourself who benefits from an Internet that is controlled by the few?
When the internet becomes a place where profitability is the primary concern, the idea of providing free internet access to those who cannot afford it goes away. Providers could charge wh**ever they wanted and restrict access to whomever they please. This could lead to demographic discrimination, socioeconomic discrimination, or prioritize content to the wealthiest who are willing to pay high prices for the fastest data streams. https://tacticalsecret.com/.../cjones11112014-600x458.jpg
I think you are attacking those who agree with you... (show quote)

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Dec 18, 2017 19:58:15   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
YOUR SITE EXPLAINS IT ALL FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE SELLER. I think that it is for their benefit not mine or any other user. The radio airwaves are sold by the feds without regulation now and 6 companies own them all How's that working for MSM very well. How does that work for me. Not well at all. It was once 6 stations radio or TV were the max that a Corp. business or individual could own. Neutral meant equal as in no favorites. their solution is to my detriment. just as deregulation of media was to our detriment.

JFlorio wrote:
Since the first few sentences describe this thread I thought some might enjoy.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2851979/net-neutrality-five-myths-and-the-real-facts.html

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Dec 18, 2017 20:00:02   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
Your fears would be justified if there was only one provider! Like single payer!

moldyoldy wrote:
I think you are attacking those who agree with you.

With net neutrality in place, internet service providers have little say on what passes through the mechanisms that are used by customers to access the internet. There are controls in place for illegal activities, but companies like Comcast or AT&T wouldn’t be able to change how a customer’s data is delivered to them. This means an ISP under net neutrality cannot block access, change services, or alter the flow of data simply because there is something that goes on which they don’t like. We can already see that the powers-that-be are trying to limit freedom of speech. We have to wise up and understand what's going on Especially with Trump in office. We have to be unwilling to hand over the keys to our freedom or risk becoming Germany of the 1940's.
Understand that innovation has to be protected at all cost. But only if the Internet remains neutral not only to innovation but also freedom of expression. Ask yourself who benefits from an Internet that is controlled by the few?
When the internet becomes a place where profitability is the primary concern, the idea of providing free internet access to those who cannot afford it goes away. Providers could charge wh**ever they wanted and restrict access to whomever they please. This could lead to demographic discrimination, socioeconomic discrimination, or prioritize content to the wealthiest who are willing to pay high prices for the fastest data streams. https://tacticalsecret.com/.../cjones11112014-600x458.jpg
I think you are attacking those who agree with you... (show quote)

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Dec 18, 2017 20:14:57   #
moldyoldy
 
ron vrooman wrote:
you just mis-explained the situation. it it not about price it is about equal speed and service to all. That is what is regulated now. FCC and big ISP wish to charge and provide as they wish not equally to all customers.


That change is what I am against.

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Dec 18, 2017 20:17:41   #
moldyoldy
 
bilordinary wrote:
Your fears would be justified if there was only one provider! Like single payer!


so, the Netflix owner can slow down the hulu sites while keeping Netflix running at top speed.

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Dec 18, 2017 20:34:57   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
good example Netfilx will get priority from all service providers. the market is not fair or just it is greed after it is corporitized.

moldyoldy wrote:
so, the Netflix owner can slow down the hulu sites while keeping Netflix running at top speed.

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Dec 18, 2017 21:23:24   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
Super Dave wrote:
A corporation unfriendly to it's customers can be replaced by one that serves its customers.

A poorly run government just hires more people and unionizes so they can't be fired for incompetence.

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You are correct except when the corporations merge and/or agree and are in total control. Note that the government has not and is not now involved in selling content. They don't have anything to gain except your freedom. President Obama worked hard to nix this idea and have it considered it a utility to be regulated by corporations. So many of you righties are so brainwashed that all you need is to hear the word "government" and, without understanding what is going on, you fools will decide on what is going against your own well being. It being considered a utility is what has kept the programming free up to this point. The "government" has been involved in nothing more than preventing overpricing.

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Dec 18, 2017 22:06:40   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
ron vrooman wrote:
No you do not comprehend. You think but reach the wrong conclusions.


Uh... No I didn't.

Who told you Net Neutrality was anything other than government control over the internet service providers?

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Dec 18, 2017 22:18:54   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Alicia wrote:
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You are correct except when the corporations merge and/or agree and are in total control. Note that the government has not and is not now involved in selling content. They don't have anything to gain except your freedom. President Obama worked hard to nix this idea and have it considered it a utility to be regulated by corporations. So many of you righties are so brainwashed that all you need is to hear the word "government" and, without understanding what is going on, you fools will decide on what is going against your own well being. It being considered a utility is what has kept the programming free up to this point. The "government" has been involved in nothing more than preventing overpricing.
************************* br You are correct excep... (show quote)


1. The people that regulate the ISPs are the same ones that get $Millions from them in campaign contributions, and are likely to go working for them as lobbyists at hugely inflated salaries if they regulate them the way they want to be regulated.

2. Net Neutrality has only been in place 2 years. It was free before that.

3. Government price controls never work. All that does is k**l competition and lower innovations/improvements. Government can't decide what a product or service is worth, or what it costs the vendor to produce them. In a free market if an ISP doesn't serve the customers, someone else will. Price controls stop that from happening.

4. How would you feel if Trump regulated ISPs that didn't support him out business? Do you want him to have that power?

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Dec 19, 2017 00:12:59   #
JW
 
Airforceone wrote:
That’s BS why should I be limited to what I have access to or what I want to see. This is all BS and you know it.


Are you limited to one brand of toothpaste? What you and a couple others are writing is all BS and I do know it. Get rid of so-called net neutrality and the market runs the availability, just like toothpaste... you buy from those who provide what you want.

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Dec 19, 2017 00:17:25   #
JW
 
ron vrooman wrote:
the website is correct. Not you.It is now equal to all customers of the service provider. Not what you pay for. Wh**ever you pay you get equal service once you access the web thru a provider. your cost has nothing to do with e******y of service.


What I said is what the link I gave you said. The market will control the net, not the government. K**l net neutrality, promote growth and innovation.

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Dec 19, 2017 00:24:13   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
Freedom does not mean that the richest person gets to buy everything to the detriment of everyone else. Your freedom stops when it hurts me.

The liars, c***ts and crooks do, to, our detriment. Gates takes the heart out of the computer industry. He just buys out everything he can and trashes those he cannot. Unlimited power gives unlimited damage to those that oppose. Lockheed/Martin. I worked for Glenn L. Martin before it was Martin -Marietta. So, the military -industrial complex added congress and the judiciary they had the executive also. But T***p w*n.

The oligarchy does not want us to have a Constitutional Republic again. Look at all the socialists that want Bernie and still want HRC. Draining the swamp/pizzagate/p*******e/Bush/Clintons/obozo/pope/queen of UK/islam/religion (not a belief in a deity! ) BAR/ it is all a long string of snot.

Trump is not a graduate of FRC/CFR or Tri-Lateral. His Marines are better that the CIA/FBI/B*M/DHS.


Super Dave wrote:
1. The people that regulate the ISPs are the same ones that get $Millions from them in campaign contributions, and are likely to go working for them as lobbyists at hugely inflated salaries if they regulate them the way they want to be regulated.

2. Net Neutrality has only been in place 2 years. It was free before that.

3. Government price controls never work. All that does is k**l competition and lower innovations/improvements. Government can't decide what a product or service is worth, or what it costs the vendor to produce them. In a free market if an ISP doesn't serve the customers, someone else will. Price controls stop that from happening.

4. How would you feel if Trump regulated ISPs that didn't support him out business? Do you want him to have that power?
1. The people that regulate the ISPs are the same ... (show quote)

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Dec 19, 2017 00:24:34   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
Freedom does not mean that the richest person gets to buy everything to the detriment of everyone else. Your freedom stops when it hurts me.

The liars, c***ts and crooks do, to, our detriment. Gates takes the heart out of the computer industry. He just buys out everything he can and trashes those he cannot. Unlimited power gives unlimited damage to those that oppose. Lockheed/Martin. I worked for Glenn L. Martin before it was Martin -Marietta. So, the military -industrial complex added congress and the judiciary they had the executive also. But T***p w*n.

The oligarchy does not want us to have a Constitutional Republic again. Look at all the socialists that want Bernie and still want HRC. Draining the swamp/pizzagate/p*******e/Bush/Clintons/obozo/pope/queen of UK/islam/religion (not a belief in a deity! ) BAR/ it is all a long string of snot.

Trump is not a graduate of FRC/CFR or Tri-Lateral. His Marines are better that the CIA/FBI/B*M/DHS.


JW wrote:
What I said is what the link I gave you said. The market will control the net, not the government. K**l net neutrality, promote growth and innovation.

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Dec 19, 2017 00:31:34   #
JW
 
ron vrooman wrote:
Freedom does not mean that the richest person gets to buy everything to the detriment of everyone else. Your freedom stops when it hurts me.

The liars, c***ts and crooks do, to, our detriment. Gates takes the heart out of the computer industry. He just buys out everything he can and trashes those he cannot. Unlimited power gives unlimited damage to those that oppose. Lockheed/Martin. I worked for Glenn L. Martin before it was Martin -Marietta. So, the military -industrial complex added congress and the judiciary they had the executive also. But T***p w*n.

The oligarchy does not want us to have a Constitutional Republic again. Look at all the socialists that want Bernie and still want HRC. Draining the swamp/pizzagate/p*******e/Bush/Clintons/obozo/pope/queen of UK/islam/religion (not a belief in a deity! ) BAR/ it is all a long string of snot.

Trump is not a graduate of FRC/CFR or Tri-Lateral. His Marines are better that the CIA/FBI/B*M/DHS.
Freedom does not mean that the richest person gets... (show quote)


I'll say it again, is your choice of toothpaste limited? it is determined by the market place. The good stuff thrives, the poor stuff goes away. Just as it should be. Net neutrality is a catchy name but it implies the opposite of what it does. There is nothing neutral about government control. Net neutrality is government control.

As for you not having access to what the Billionaires can get... do you have that now? If I can't afford the service you can pay for, why is that your problem? Maybe I need to work harder, earn more, or maybe I just need to find a supplier I can afford.

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