rumitoid

I may be wrong nine out of ten times but I do not lie or purposely put forth something that is untrue. Disagree with me and show me why in clear terms and I may be persuaded. It has happened here for me numerous times. And I have apologized a few times for posts that were poorly researched and found to be in error.

rumitoid

Looking at the facts of the situation from anything but a worship point of view for Big Business.

rumitoid

What would have been interesting and something I enjoy and look for is reasonable arguments against what was posted. I found none. Instead, I was attacked, and that seems the way when there is a loss of logic or counter arguments.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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No reason to offer solutions on such a forum. Those on the left would be opposed to it solely because I am a conservative. I KNOW how to survive on my own. If you don't that's your problem since you will not listen to any true solutions - which = do not reside in government regs or policies or laws.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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When a person states a good idea or a real fact, I like to compliment him. When he isn't consistent, I distrust him. When he is nasty to my friends, I tend to like him much less. Make up your mind, Rumi, just who you are. Do you know what freedom is and what our freedoms are? Do you know which politicians are more prone to destroy them? Until I hear you state your thinking on this one topic, individual freedoms, I won't know if you are a friend or not.

rumitoid

I was going to post but need to reconsider; too upset.

catpaw Loc: Bakersfield, California

Not so much about being a conservative--wh**ever that is. The redefinition of conservativism these days is not what I grew up with.
The GOP, tea party, et. al. seems to have a genuine fear of a jobs bill, investment in alternative sources of energy, investment in education, investment in infrastructure, social safety nets, immigration reform, accessible health care...just about anything that helps close the gap of the disparity that is counter to a recovering economy.
Obama has deported more i******s than preceding administrations, both dem and republican. The justice dept. has cracked down on businesses that hire i******s, something that hasn't been enforced before. Border security has been strengthened. Yet he is accused by the right of maintaining an "open border."
The US is presently drilling more domestic oil than we import, something that hasn't happened in the preceding administrations, both democratic and republican. Yet, Obama is accused of hindering the development of domestic oil production.
Before Obama took office, the Dow slipped to under 6,000. Under his administration, it has hit new highs over 16,500. Yet, the president is accused of being anti-business.
As to the traditional conservative platform; no, there is nothing wrong with a prudent budget or a balanced budget. Alan Greenspan said with toungue-in-cheek that Bill Clinton was the best Republican president we've had in decades. But these days, the conservative agenda has gone beyond conservative government with an extreme religious agenda. Suddenly, investment, inclusion of minorities into the mainstream, g****r e******y, control of sky rocketing health care costs, is some sort of godless c*******t conspiracy by a president who h**es America (or something just as inane).
And again, you've restated the so-called conservative philosophy: I got mine, so we don't need solutions. Do nothing and our American way of life and family values will do just fine.

1OldGeezer

Catpaw,
I think your indoctrination has really taken hold, past where I can do you any good. You are so emotionally involved you can't honestly evaluate what your "enemies" say.
I can't help you...see Tasine's post, maybe that will do you some good.
1oldgeezer

1OldGeezer

Catpaw,
What you say sounds good, (Much like "Hope and Change", or "Move the Country Forward") But not really grounded in reality, just a kind of indoctrinated Democrat sponsored, divide and conquer philosophy..
Most of your info is somewhat misleading (on purpose?), an example, you give Obama credit for the increasing oil and gas production, while in t***h, this increase in production is all occurring on private land with no federal government help after Obama put all off shore exploration and drilling off limits, and the EPA resisted (tried to stop) the practice of "fracking" as a method of retrieving the oil and gas which is solely responsible for this oil/gas production increase. (Oil and gas production on federal land has decreased). Obama has steadfastly resisted approval of the Keystone Pipe line which would further increase our energy independence.
SUMMARY: You give Obama credit for the increased oil/gas production which happened IN SPITE OF GOVERNMENT RESISTANCE. This is typical of most of your reasoning.

The stock market dropped to 6000 because of FEDERAL GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT (Affordable Housing Act) into the private housing market, subprime mortgages encouraged by the Government (Freddie and Fannie bought all mortgages regardless of subprime or not), the the rapid raising of the prime by the FED, and the predictable (Progressive desired) housing market crash. Then the stimulus (passing out a trillion dollars to selected donors) and the increased government control of business by the DODD/FRANK bill.

Now we have the Affordable Care Act to cause further corruption of that competitive market and expand federal government control of your and my life's choices.
Now the stock market is around 16,000 as the FED pumps about a trillion dollars a year into the market ($85 billion a month?)

Note that that trillion is added to your and my debt as the national debt is approaching 18 TRILLION.
This is you idea of a good stable economy that can be sustained? Please let me off...I don't want to go where you are headed.
1oldgeezer

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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You say conservatives seem to have a genuine fear of jobs bills. You call it fear, we call it a waste of money, effort, and just more government interference. The government owns NO MONEY. It cannot make jobs by passing bills. If it "makes a job", it can only do it by raising more taxes, and that costs all taxpayers wh**ever it takes for government to interfere where it doesn't belong. The government cannot make a job job. It can only make jobs that are unnecessary and thereby a waste of taxpayers' money. It can only interfere with people's businesses they work hard to start and work hard to maintain. Those businesses provide jobs. Every government meddling costs those businesses more money, NEVER less, ALWAYS more. Every cost must be covered by the business which then, if it wants to continue to profit, passes those costs on to their customers and to their employees by virtue of either not giving raises or by letting some employees go. No business, especially small ones, can remain open with business as usual when the government forces its way into that business. It is IMPOSSIBLE. Every minimum wage increase is dictated by government. Minimum wage increases also increase the cost of everything - manufacturing, business costs, union additional demands, trucking costs, fuel costs, storage costs, consumers' costs - and in the end the minimum wage employee has gained NOTHING, but all of us, including him, has lost and inflation is rampant. Every time government does this all conservatives cringe, not in "fear" as you suggest, but in total and complete disgust that "educated people" can actually be so stupid as to drive our economy and jobs down merely to grow government larger and larger, which their so-called "jobs" do, and that is the sole reason politicians talk about jobs bills - they grow their power that way.

So.......if you want a jobs bill, and you want the government to DO something about it, please ask your government to butt out of the business world and people's personal businesses. THEN, and ONLY THEN, will you see more jobs that actually help people and that actually help the economy rather than wreck it.

I know many people are in the "e******y" phase of their development, but only when people can face reality can they accept that life isn't fair and equal, wasn't designed to be fair and equal. For all of us to be fair and equal means all of us must do the exact same things with the exact same determination, with the exact same mental prowess, with the exact same drive to succeed, with the exact same thought structure, etc. People can have FREEDOM to better their lives and that is the only e******y we all have: freedom to do so. And daily the government takes away more and more and more freedom from the American people who were once FREE to try to gain e******y.

I do find it interesting that you infer that I have mine and the rest of you can rot. You are so wrong it is pathetic. I have mine and I WANT you to have yours, and you COULD, but you are so determined I am wrong that you never will until the government has all of us begging for food - then, and only then will we all be equal because you refuse to embrace success. And your thinking is a result of listening to your democrat leaders and "movers and shakers" and l*****t teachers.

Now to the immigration issue: You say that "Obama has deported more i******s than preceding administrations, both dem and republican. The justice dept. has cracked down on businesses that hire i******s, something that hasn't been enforced before. Border security has been strengthened. Yet he is accused by the right of maintaining an "open border."

Again you are woefully wrong. I was married for 43 years to a Border Patrolman of 20 years and then an Immigration criminal investigator. He retired at the earliest opportunity because more and more - in the mid '70's - funding of the Immigration Department was pathetically low, a super low priority. But still the BP picked up every illegal they could find. After he had retired, we saw more and more slack and more and more total disinterest on the part of the federal government to handle the problem. Obama was NOT the beginning of the immigration problem. The REASON immigration is totally out of control is the Democrat Party wanting the i******s to remain so that they can get their v**es. You don't have to believe me - do your research. Very few Mexicans v**e Republican as do very few b****s. There must be a reason, huh? Think about it for yourself, and by all means quit listening to the lying democrat politicians.

UnionSparky Loc: left coast

Tasine covered a lot of the counterpoints of your post, one thing you may not have fully considered. You want to blame the republicans for being the party of no.
Roughly for 40-45 years, the republicans, have had control over the both houses of Congress and the White House for all of 2 years. Controlled both houses for the last 2 years of the Clinton adm. So as you can see the Democrats have run the government for the vast amount of the last 40 odd years.
Even though Reagan had both houses controlled by the democrats, because he was a leader, a true leader, the country prospered. He did that using a subtle trick called diplomacy. Obama campaigned talking about unifying the country, his first lie.
Just recently, when Obama claimed the republicans were holding the government hostage, by shutting it down. The republicans offered to fund the government and delaying Obamacare for this year. What did Obama just do delay the employer mandate for 2 years.
How can you honestly blame only the right, when the left has Reid blocking any bills coming to the senate from the house?
The last 2 years of the Bush adm., all you heard from the left was how bad the deficit was. Obama promised to balance the budget before the 2012 e******ns. If you want to blame Bush for this, what is the lefts excuse for making no attempt to bring excess spending under control? To cut defense yet increase entitlement spending by more? I can only draw the conclusion the left wants and is trying to destroy our economy.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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Sparky, I believe you have hit the nail on the head. There has been so little republican leadership in government that it is permanently tainted, and now the democrats feel they can ride over us like rugs. Problem is, the republicans send more intelligent and capable members, but never enough of them to overcome the h**eful geezer in the Senate, named Reid.

1OldGeezer

Unionsparky,
You are apparently well informed and are keeping up with what is actually happening;
I can only guess that catpaw relies on the "regular" news media (MSM or none) for his information in order to form his conclusions.
He sounds intelligent enough to understand better than what he posts. The Progressives do seem to have control of most (not all) of the information services, here is an example of how effective that control is. Couple that with the program of division being practiced by the Progressives and you have persons who won't (can't) logically evaluate info because their "evil enemy" said it. That is an effective psychological program also.
Catpaw, Broaden your viewing habits and be honest, at least with yourself.
1oldgeezer

1OldGeezer

catpaw,
"Calling the president a c*******t is not a solution" is VERY TRUE, (what is that socialist rule, say some thing true and then the rest of your (untrue) statement becomes believable.)

Just calling him a c*******t is truly not a solution, but keeping him from t***sforming this country into a socialist nation is the solution - The solution: Restrict the federal governments' involvement in our lives and businesses to that specified by the constitution (or less).

Government intrusion is the problem, borrowing money to pass out "free stuff" (paying people for v**es) and making them dependents inhibits prosperity and development of the middle class.

1oldgeezer

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

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That is so true and so clear and so logical - it's no wonder the political left just can't bring themselves to admit that's what's behind their tenacious hold on welfare programs, give-away programs. The PURPOSE is obviously to keep the ignorant and unwashed as well as all minorities under their thumbs til death do they part.