Income Ine******y k**ls, and America is its next prey
Mar 8, 2014 22:00:14 #
oldroy
Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
rumitoid,
May I ask you to explain this statement of your man from The Nation.
§ The UKs famous Whitehall studies indicate that the odds of poor health and premature death increased as the employees status in the civil service bureaucracy decreasedeven controlling for use of alcohol, tobacco and other factors.
The part that makes me wonder is the part about the civil service bureaucracy decreased. Are all workers, in our kind of system, involved in the bureaucracy? I see the bureaucracy as the group that determines who gets what from others to make them equal. This Obama foolishness about income ine******y is nothing but more attempt at socialism which will become c*******m once everybody is equal. I really can't understand how people believe that e******y comes when everybody has the same amount to live on. I am saying that he who works hardest and best should be paid more than any unemployed person and bureaucrats can't make that e******y by taking from the workers to give to those who don't work for wh**ever reason they don't work.
Might I add that The Nation is a publication that I read a lot in the late 60s and found it to be nothing but pure socialist crap. I haven't seen anything from it in over 20years for that reason.
May I ask you to explain this statement of your man from The Nation.
§ The UKs famous Whitehall studies indicate that the odds of poor health and premature death increased as the employees status in the civil service bureaucracy decreasedeven controlling for use of alcohol, tobacco and other factors.
The part that makes me wonder is the part about the civil service bureaucracy decreased. Are all workers, in our kind of system, involved in the bureaucracy? I see the bureaucracy as the group that determines who gets what from others to make them equal. This Obama foolishness about income ine******y is nothing but more attempt at socialism which will become c*******m once everybody is equal. I really can't understand how people believe that e******y comes when everybody has the same amount to live on. I am saying that he who works hardest and best should be paid more than any unemployed person and bureaucrats can't make that e******y by taking from the workers to give to those who don't work for wh**ever reason they don't work.
Might I add that The Nation is a publication that I read a lot in the late 60s and found it to be nothing but pure socialist crap. I haven't seen anything from it in over 20years for that reason.
Mar 9, 2014 08:06:14 #
catpaw wrote:
No, I did not say I favor c*******m. I said the illogical fear of it to justify an eroded middle class is irrational. You might look at a few socialistic countries and compare them to the US. You don't need to listen to me, just open your eyes, and also maybe study a little history.
Catpaw,
It is not an illogical fear to want my constitutional rights to choose for myself, under c*******m or socialism that has to be taken away in order equalize everything.
You may not realize this but the main factor that made the US the economic powerhouse that it is/was is the individual personal and economic freedoms associated with free enterprise. We are rapidly loosing that under the present administration.
==Maybe YOU should "study history" and look at the present day economic systems in the world.==
In the cold war years, how did c*******t soviet union compare to the US? Why is there no longer a c*******t soviet union?
A good example of what each system produces; look at the quality of the automobiles being produced today because of the competitive economic systems around the world and then ask someone about the YUGO that was produced by central government planning by c*******t Russia.
Compare North Korea to South Korea and tell me which group of citizens are better off. (North Korea is typical of what control a socialist ruler must have to enforce "e******y".)
Why did/are Cubans boarding leaky boats to leave Cuba and get to the US? What is happening in Venezuela now?????
If you don't like the constitutional provisions giving the citizen control of their own lives and limiting the power of a central government, be honest about it and start a movement to amend the constitution (see how much support you get if you don't try to hide your agenda), don't try to make changes behind a false promise of "e******y". The constitution promises equal OPPORTUNITY, not equal outcome regardless of effort, and that is the way it should be if the country is to prosper.
Maybe in your next post you can list the c*******t/socialist countries that you admire and want me to look at in order to see how good they compare to the US. I am ready for you to open my eyes.
1oldgeezer
Mar 9, 2014 10:42:54 #
1OldGeezer wrote:
Catpaw, br It is not an illogical fear to want my ... (show quote)
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Beautifully said, Geezer!!! Wanting total e******y is silly. People can have the same opportunities - and do as far as government can possibly be concerned. What they DO with that opportunity is the telling factor. Outcomes of opportunities can NEVER be considered equal and it's silly to think they can.
Mar 9, 2014 13:55:37 #
catpaw
Loc: Bakersfield, California
Face reality. Economic disparity has eroded the middle class and drastically reduced purchasing power. That in turn has eroded a tax base and a stagnant economy because nobody can afford goods and services.
The problem I have with the GOP is their solutions are do nothing. Even the key speakers at the CPAC meeting admitted as much. They have a difficult time defining the problem.
The problem I have with the GOP is their solutions are do nothing. Even the key speakers at the CPAC meeting admitted as much. They have a difficult time defining the problem.
Mar 9, 2014 13:56:22 #
catpaw
Loc: Bakersfield, California
bobgssc wrote:
Thanks for the clarification, I was really trying to figure out how any person, left or right could come up with that crap in this day and age!
Mar 9, 2014 14:10:34 #
catpaw
Loc: Bakersfield, California
1OldGeezer wrote:
Catpaw, br It is not an illogical fear to want my ... (show quote)
Sweden, norway, finland, are more socialistic than we are and they have a higher living standard than we do. For some people it works.
"You may not realize this but the main factor that made the US the economic powerhouse that it is/was is the individual personal and economic freedoms associated with free enterprise. We are rapidly loosing that under the present administration."
I realize individual personal and economic freedoms associated with free enterprise suddenly didn't exsist for 40 million Americans before Obama took office. And there you go again: Keeping millions of people at a poverty level standard of living is ensuring our constitutional freedom. Do you really think that makes sense? Your solution is typical of GOP philosophy is to do nothing; suddenly unemployed tax-paying workers are "debt drivers" and "takers." What solutions have the GOP proposed? Calling the president a c*******t is not a solution.
Mar 9, 2014 14:51:42 #
catpaw wrote:
Sweden, norway, finland, are more socialistic than... (show quote)
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If you don't get it yet, I doubt you ever will get it. You will wander through the rest of your life wondering why things don't work the way they should.
1. The most government can do for jobs is to butt out.
2. The most government can do for individuals and the most it should do for individuals is to butt out of or lives.
3. The most government can do for the morality and the "r****m" is to butt out of people's conversations.
4. The best government is the one who bothers its citizens the least.
(Do you see any of the above costing a lot?)
5. The best way to get conservatives to shut up is to leave them alone.
6. The freest people on earth are those who see, hear, and feel very little from their government.
7. Companies' purposes are to produce and to profit. That is their ONLY responsibility. Governments' duties are to protect its citizens from foreign invasion and from local crimes. Those should be its only responsibilities - and it is NOT DOING ANY OF IT even though they take oaths to do so.
8. The citizens are the good guys, government is the bad guys - they are paid by US citizens and have the gall to try to shove us around like puppets.
That's it in a nutshell.
Mar 9, 2014 15:12:48 #
catpaw
Loc: Bakersfield, California
[quote=Tasine]~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If you don't get it yet, I doubt you ever will get it. You will wander through the rest of your life wondering why things don't work the way they should.
1. The most government can do for jobs is to butt out.
2. The most government can do for individuals and the most it should do for individuals is to butt out of or lives.
3. The most government can do for the morality and the "r****m" is to butt out of people's conversations.
4. The best government is the one who bothers its citizens the least.
(Do you see any of the above costing a lot?)
5. The best way to get conservatives to shut up is to leave them alone.
6. The freest people on earth are those who see, hear, and feel very little from their government.
7. Companies' purposes are to produce and to profit. That is their ONLY responsibility. Governments' duties are to protect its citizens from foreign invasion and from local crimes. Those should be its only responsibilities - and it is NOT DOING ANY OF IT even though they take oaths to do so.
8. The citizens are the good guys, government is the bad guys - they are paid by US citizens and have the gall to try to shove us around like puppets.
That's it in a nutshell.[/quote
"Clear-sighted men saw with fear the danger that opportunity would no longer be equal; that the growing corporation, like the feudal baron of old, might threaten the economic freedom of individuals to earn a living." --- FDR
How come that isn't in your nutshell?
"The best way to get conservatives to shut up is to leave them alone."
Right now, I'd say they are left very alone. So, alone that Obama got elected to a second term. Also, so alone that the next president will be a Democrat. Also, so alone that the GOP wears the mantle of "the party of no" and "obstructionists."
If you don't get it yet, I doubt you ever will get it. You will wander through the rest of your life wondering why things don't work the way they should.
1. The most government can do for jobs is to butt out.
2. The most government can do for individuals and the most it should do for individuals is to butt out of or lives.
3. The most government can do for the morality and the "r****m" is to butt out of people's conversations.
4. The best government is the one who bothers its citizens the least.
(Do you see any of the above costing a lot?)
5. The best way to get conservatives to shut up is to leave them alone.
6. The freest people on earth are those who see, hear, and feel very little from their government.
7. Companies' purposes are to produce and to profit. That is their ONLY responsibility. Governments' duties are to protect its citizens from foreign invasion and from local crimes. Those should be its only responsibilities - and it is NOT DOING ANY OF IT even though they take oaths to do so.
8. The citizens are the good guys, government is the bad guys - they are paid by US citizens and have the gall to try to shove us around like puppets.
That's it in a nutshell.[/quote
"Clear-sighted men saw with fear the danger that opportunity would no longer be equal; that the growing corporation, like the feudal baron of old, might threaten the economic freedom of individuals to earn a living." --- FDR
How come that isn't in your nutshell?
"The best way to get conservatives to shut up is to leave them alone."
Right now, I'd say they are left very alone. So, alone that Obama got elected to a second term. Also, so alone that the next president will be a Democrat. Also, so alone that the GOP wears the mantle of "the party of no" and "obstructionists."
Mar 9, 2014 20:01:20 #
[quote=catpaw][quote=Tasine]~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If you don't get it yet, I doubt you ever will get it. You will wander through the rest of your life wondering why things don't work the way they should.
1. The most government can do for jobs is to butt out.
2. The most government can do for individuals and the most it should do for individuals is to butt out of or lives.
3. The most government can do for the morality and the "r****m" is to butt out of people's conversations.
4. The best government is the one who bothers its citizens the least.
(Do you see any of the above costing a lot?)
5. The best way to get conservatives to shut up is to leave them alone.
6. The freest people on earth are those who see, hear, and feel very little from their government.
7. Companies' purposes are to produce and to profit. That is their ONLY responsibility. Governments' duties are to protect its citizens from foreign invasion and from local crimes. Those should be its only responsibilities - and it is NOT DOING ANY OF IT even though they take oaths to do so.
8. The citizens are the good guys, government is the bad guys - they are paid by US citizens and have the gall to try to shove us around like puppets.
That's it in a nutshell.[/quote
"Clear-sighted men saw with fear the danger that opportunity would no longer be equal; that the growing corporation, like the feudal baron of old, might threaten the economic freedom of individuals to earn a living." --- FDR
How come that isn't in your nutshell?
"The best way to get conservatives to shut up is to leave them alone."
Right now, I'd say they are left very alone. So, alone that Obama got elected to a second term. Also, so alone that the next president will be a Democrat. Also, so alone that the GOP wears the mantle of "the party of no" and "obstructionists."[/quote]
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FDR is not a good example for pushing any thing on conservatives as he began the spiral downward in our society from freedom to serfdom. Wearing the "mantle of no" when discussing Barry's policies, proposals, and laws is a badge of honor. "No" is what should be said and done. "No" is a good word, the best word, to use when having socialism pushed upon the populace. The "no" party should hold its head high and be proud because the opposite party pushes all that is bad, all that is harmful, all that is h**eful and should be roundly defeated. If you want "help" for more jobs, more gdp, go to the party who will not interfere in business -NOT the foes the party of No has to combat. Saying Yes to Barry's ideas is deadly, dangerous, and toxic.
It would be a good idea for the left to learn something from history, but they h**e what history shows because what they want it something different from the best. The rest of us don't want to slide down the chute into the gutter with them, and the party of No is what we WANT.
If you don't get it yet, I doubt you ever will get it. You will wander through the rest of your life wondering why things don't work the way they should.
1. The most government can do for jobs is to butt out.
2. The most government can do for individuals and the most it should do for individuals is to butt out of or lives.
3. The most government can do for the morality and the "r****m" is to butt out of people's conversations.
4. The best government is the one who bothers its citizens the least.
(Do you see any of the above costing a lot?)
5. The best way to get conservatives to shut up is to leave them alone.
6. The freest people on earth are those who see, hear, and feel very little from their government.
7. Companies' purposes are to produce and to profit. That is their ONLY responsibility. Governments' duties are to protect its citizens from foreign invasion and from local crimes. Those should be its only responsibilities - and it is NOT DOING ANY OF IT even though they take oaths to do so.
8. The citizens are the good guys, government is the bad guys - they are paid by US citizens and have the gall to try to shove us around like puppets.
That's it in a nutshell.[/quote
"Clear-sighted men saw with fear the danger that opportunity would no longer be equal; that the growing corporation, like the feudal baron of old, might threaten the economic freedom of individuals to earn a living." --- FDR
How come that isn't in your nutshell?
"The best way to get conservatives to shut up is to leave them alone."
Right now, I'd say they are left very alone. So, alone that Obama got elected to a second term. Also, so alone that the next president will be a Democrat. Also, so alone that the GOP wears the mantle of "the party of no" and "obstructionists."[/quote]
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FDR is not a good example for pushing any thing on conservatives as he began the spiral downward in our society from freedom to serfdom. Wearing the "mantle of no" when discussing Barry's policies, proposals, and laws is a badge of honor. "No" is what should be said and done. "No" is a good word, the best word, to use when having socialism pushed upon the populace. The "no" party should hold its head high and be proud because the opposite party pushes all that is bad, all that is harmful, all that is h**eful and should be roundly defeated. If you want "help" for more jobs, more gdp, go to the party who will not interfere in business -NOT the foes the party of No has to combat. Saying Yes to Barry's ideas is deadly, dangerous, and toxic.
It would be a good idea for the left to learn something from history, but they h**e what history shows because what they want it something different from the best. The rest of us don't want to slide down the chute into the gutter with them, and the party of No is what we WANT.
Mar 10, 2014 00:13:50 #
catpaw
Loc: Bakersfield, California
"It would be a good idea for the left to learn something from history, but they h**e what history shows because what they want it something different from the best. The rest of us don't want to slide down the chute into the gutter with them, and the party of No is what we WANT."
Does that history include a Great Depression brought about by business left alone by government? How about economic depression that began in the Bush administration; he left business alone.
And these thriving businesses that don't want government interference of any kind? Who did they appeal to for bailouts when facing bankrupcy?
Do "the rest of us" who want the party of no include the 40 million disenfranchised Americans who lost their homes and jobs? Who is "we?" The majority? The unemployed? The working poor? Poverty level wages is freedom? Reduced income and disparity isn't serfdom?
And as usual, you have expressed the conservative view with paranoid fear of "socialism" and "c*******m" by name calling. Your rants have yet to offer a solution to a stagnant economy.
Does that history include a Great Depression brought about by business left alone by government? How about economic depression that began in the Bush administration; he left business alone.
And these thriving businesses that don't want government interference of any kind? Who did they appeal to for bailouts when facing bankrupcy?
Do "the rest of us" who want the party of no include the 40 million disenfranchised Americans who lost their homes and jobs? Who is "we?" The majority? The unemployed? The working poor? Poverty level wages is freedom? Reduced income and disparity isn't serfdom?
And as usual, you have expressed the conservative view with paranoid fear of "socialism" and "c*******m" by name calling. Your rants have yet to offer a solution to a stagnant economy.
Mar 10, 2014 00:22:14 #
1OldGeezer wrote:
Rumitoid, br This post is a perfect example of a b... (show quote)
Yes, of course, if you have reason to disagree.
Mar 10, 2014 00:24:04 #
catpaw wrote:
And do you want "free" market forces lik... (show quote)
Hmmmm. You are arguing the author's case, yet appear to disagree. Do you read the piece in full?
Mar 10, 2014 00:26:18 #
J Anthony wrote:
Tthere will be no " free market" or free... (show quote)
This is phenomenal. Three responses in a row disagreeing with the author and then restating his points as arguments against him.
Mar 10, 2014 00:30:49 #
Tasine wrote:
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I haven't figured out exactly who or what Rumi is, but a person with logic, he is NOT. My personal belief is that he is a paid employee of the dark left, put here to make sure we find no solutions to his comments and the President's screw-ups. H**e to tell him he is wasting his time.
I haven't figured out exactly who or what Rumi is, but a person with logic, he is NOT. My personal belief is that he is a paid employee of the dark left, put here to make sure we find no solutions to his comments and the President's screw-ups. H**e to tell him he is wasting his time.
Tasine, just a few days ago you called me a good friend. Now you insult me to the core. Disagree, fine. Give arguments against these points and make me look like a fool for posting this author's opinion, great; I would truly welcome that. But when have I ever, no matter how strongly we may have disagreed, attacked you? Why?
Mar 10, 2014 00:32:11 #
vernon wrote:
i think the first thing we need is to deal with is that this is just a c*******t rag and a waste of time.the second is that the c*******t countries are a shineing example of ine******y where just a small %of the people have every thing.
I see. No need to look deeper. Just label it and h**e it. Nice process.
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