Undiagnosed PTSD. Viet Nam era vets. Crazy posters on OPP, with unbridled hatred, r****m and bigotry.

A trifecta.

And a reason to avoid stupid, senseless wars.

Unless chickenhawks prevail.

Some are just salivating with the idea of getting involved in Ukraine.
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Bo, if I am reading your post correctly and as intended, you know not of what you speak. Attempting to corral veterans, those that have PTSD as a result of live combat, crazy posters on OPP, with unbridled hatred, r****m, and bigotry into one group is very disingenuous. Anyone that has been in live combat, that has seen friends and buddies maimed or k**led, does not RELISH the opportunity to engage in further combat. They have performed and done their duty, but DO NOT salivate at the idea of 'getting involved in Ukraine'. YOU are attempting to corral all of these individuals in to a herd because many present a push back to the opinions post by you, Retired 669, Kevyn and others.

Allow me to explain this push back that you receive from this group. Many veterans on this board have had skin the game, have made sacrifices for this country that you can only imagine. At the end of the day, they begin to question WHY the politicians sacrificed so many of their brothers on the alter of political correctness. They question the current t***sformation of our country where the Federal Government /Obama Administration are all powerful, and the average citizen is losing their personal freedoms are an alarming rate. Some are very vocal with their opinions, but I feel they have earned that right. The opinions posted by the veterans and conservatives are treated with raw disrespect by the progressive posters on OPP. Personal attacks are the norm.

I agree on one aspect of your post: 'And a reason to avoid stupid, senseless wars'. The only people that salivate at the opportunity to get involved with Ukraine are the politicians that want to make a name at the expense of those that serve, the bankers, or the executive of weapons manufacturers. We have to ask what was accomplished with the war in Iraq and currently Afghanistan? Massive increases in the National Debt, & our military personnel k**led / injured / or ground down from multiple rotations. Obama engaged in an undeclared war in Libya & wanted to engage in another undeclared war in Syria. For WHAT purpose?????????? Does this man looking out for our best interest? I do not think so!

Oh, and one more item. I personally do not meet the definition of bigot, nor am I a r****t. Hurling those terms out is a tactic used to hush quell any rebuttals is no longer working for the progressive posters. Honest dialogue is the coin of the day. You are better than needing to resort to such tactics.








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My quote reply seems kaput.

Ninetogo.....that was nicely stated. I think you are correct that attempting to herd all those cats was overreach. But I think you also tried to tie together too many unrelated thoughts.

"Allow me to explain this push back that you receive from this group. Many veterans on this board have had skin the game, have made sacrifices for this country that you can only imagine. At the end of the day, they begin to question WHY the politicians sacrificed so many of their brothers on the alter of political correctness. They question the current t***sformation of our country where the Federal Government /Obama Administration are all powerful, and the average citizen is losing their personal freedoms are an alarming rate. Some are very vocal with their opinions, but I feel they have earned that right. The opinions posted by the veterans and conservatives are treated with raw disrespect by the progressive posters on OPP. Personal attacks are the norm. "

All Americans have skin in the game. Whether we go to war, send our sons and daughters, or pay the taxes that fund the wars. Not to devalue the actual service members, just to broaden the sphere of discussion. Vets are not the only folks who question why we go to war. And I'm really unclear how political correctness fits into the picture.
But then you veer into points that are allegations: that the federal gov't and Obama administration are all-powerful and that Americans are losing their personal freedoms. Naturally you are entitled to that opinion, but it is not a fact that can be proven. And not only vets have the right to those opinions.

The opinions of vets and conservatives are not necessarily the same. Some of the most vocal disagreements with conservatives on this site come from vets themselves. And when it comes to disrespect and personal attacks, conservatives are no angels, either. They are not the innocent recipients of hurled insults. They give as good as they get.

Respectfully....