Bevos

LOLOL LOVE IT!!!

Bevos

Why?? Just bring the few Conservatives out of there and shove it off into the Ocean!!! I think that would send a STRONGER message!!!

You can't just take away the job of someone that has been elected!! His I***TS have to do that, which they would never do. You can FINE them, but Libs aren't KNOWN for paying their Bills!!! You can take away their money, but Soros would send them his!!! I say just shove them off into the ocean, and be DONE with them!!!

Bevos

The MAJORITY v**ed this I***T IN, so they MUST be that STUPID!!!

son of witless

Remember how the Gays attacked Christian bakeries? At first it seemed strange. Why ? Taking out a few Christian businesses did not make much difference in the grand scheme of Gay and L*****t strategerie. You can only understand it in the scheme of soft targets. Like terrorists k*****g women and children, it is meant to send a message to others. So attack soft targets first and then work your way up.

In California's case Nursing homes are the ultimate soft target. Conquerors always like to incite fear by punishing the innocent who can't fight back. This is why like Trump, we must be prepared to fight every battle and defend the soft targets.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Yes, moonbeam is.. Don't ask why I thought of this song, though~

https://youtu.be/6lFxGBB4UGU

Given the cost to help sustain Cali I'd just as soon they leave and take all their welcomed i*****l a***ns with them.. I don't disagree with what you say but the fight between state and federal will would go on for years.. Especially when we look at what happened when the southern states wanted to secede and what it ultimately cost in division etc.. In the end ratification still came about but it still pains some and the history books tell a story many don't even know about....

States are at will to make their own laws as long as they conform to federal and if they do not they are stricken.. We see how much that has worked in any number of states, Arizona their right to fight i******s~~Striken down..
Texas, their right to adopt guidelines for a******n clinics, stricken down..etcetcetc..

Under the doctrine of preemption, which is based on the Supremacy Clause, federal law preempts state law, even when the laws conflict. Thus, a federal court may require a state to stop certain behavior it believes interferes with, or is in conflict with, federal law, and the state has to follow..

I don't view Cali leaving as a reward as much as letting them leave and then take bets on how long they are able to sustain themselves.. No federal funding from us, no protection from us, no anything from us, ever.. That initself should be a deterrent.....

We are a United States and we will always be but in that unity comes the right of choice and freedom, if Cali wants it independent from us give it to them.. They won't want it for long but by then it's too late, their punishment is forever.. If nothing else an excellent deterrent for other states that may wish to do the same.???.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Thank You EN..
snowbear you may enjoy it as well,

Ironically I just read this rather long article but which says it all..Worried For Our Children posted it.

By: Aaron Bandler

"There has been a lot of absurdity from the left following the e******n of Donald Trump to the presidency, and one of the more absurd ideas that has surfaced is the notion that California should secede from the union.

The #Calexit movement–which oddly enough, is being led by a New York Republican who was in Moscow on e******n night–is calling for a referendum to be v**ed on in 2019 for California to secede.

"It is about California taking its place in the world, standing as an equal among nations. We believe in two fundamental t***hs: (1) California exerts a positive influence on the rest of the world, and (2) California could do more good as an independent country than it is able to do as a just a U.S. state," the Yes California website states. "In 2016, the United Kingdom v**ed to leave the international community with their 'Brexit' v**e. Our 'Calexit' referendum is about California joining the international community. You have a big decision to make."

Here are five reasons why California won't be seceding anytime soon.

1. There is no constitutional right to secede. There is a pervading myth among fringe libertarians that the Constitution allows for secession. While the Constitution is silent on the matter, there is evidence to indicate that the founders viewed such an action as antithetical to the Constitution, according to Jarrett Stepman at Human Events: (emphasis bolded)

Madison said in Federalist no. 43, that “The express authority of the people alone could give validity to the Constitution. To have required the unanimous ratification of the thirteen States, would have subjected the essential interests of the whole to the caprice or corruption of a single member. It would have marked a want of foresight in the convention, which our own experience would have rendered inexcusable.”

Like a man living in the state of nature who surrenders a part of his individual sovereignty to the state in exchange for the guaranteed protection of his natural rights—life, liberty and property—the states gave up a part of their sovereignty to enter the union. A state can no more secede from the union than an individual can secede from a state because of a law he doesn’t like or find “constitutional.”

George Washington, who served as president of the Constitutional Convention, blasted the idea of state sovereignty in a letter announcing the new Constitution to Congress: “It is obviously impracticable in the federal government of these states to secure all rights of independent sovereignty to each, and yet provide for the interest and safety of all.”

In order for a state to secede, there is only one process that is constitutionally viable...

2. A constitutional amendment would be necessary. To pass an amendment, two-thirds of Congress would have to approve of it as well as 38 states, or there could be a Convention of States. It seems unlikely that California's secession would pass such arduous hurdles, unless this sentiment becomes prevalent in the country:

Y'all Democrats know that under the #Calexit scenario, Republicans win by an even larger margin for a long time, right?

— jimgeraghty (@jimgeraghty) November 13, 2016
Solid argument.

3. Previous attempts at secession have been stymied. For instance, Texas flirted with the notion of secedingafter President Barack Obama won re-e******n in 2012, and that went nowhere. The Supreme Court has also ruled that "that when the states accepted the the Constitution, they also waived their right to leave the Union," according to CNN columnist Danny Cevallos.

There's also the obvious fact that a Civil War was fought over secession.

"The reality is that if California really wanted to, it could probably just leave the United States," writes Cevallos. "It would be an unconstitutional, illegal act. But what could Washington actually do about it? Post another announcement on the White House webpage saying it doesn't approve? No president would send in the military, would he?"

Would Californians really risk that possibility?

4. If California were to secede, it would be taking an enormous risk with regard to natural disasters. Julienne Davis points out in Heat Streetthat there are a number of natural disasters that could afflict California, including a massive earthquake and a tsunami that could take out nuclear facilities in places like Avila Beach and San Onofre. If California were to secede, they wouldn't receive any federal assistance if these natural disasters occur. It seems unlikely that Californians would take such a risk.

5. California would also face the prospect of collapse if they secede. According to Davis:

But what happens when the money runs out? California is already strapped for cash. Even if California will no longer subsidize other states, will they really have that much money to care for so many? While it’s true California is rich in agriculture, what they are very poor in the last number of years, and will be for the foreseeable future, is water.

Right now they take from the Colorado river and other states as well like Oregon and they don’t have the the additional necessary desalinization plants built to deal with the demand even without the influx of the millions they dream of taking in.

Then you have the issue of all those government pensions. If they’ve seceded, what will California do when those pensions hit the wall? “Sorry…. You’ll just have to keep working till you drop. We can’t go back to Washington now to get more money.”

There are simply too many hurdles and risks involved with California seceding. #Calexit won't be happening anytime soon, if at all."

(This article has been modified to correct the location of the nuclear facility in Avila Beach.)

Bevos

I think you chose that song because moonbeams have CLOUDED vision, maybe???

I still say, bring out the Conservatives and then CHOP off Californication and let it drift away!!! Give them their OWN ISLAND!!! They can keep their cows and veggies, and fruits, we have plenty of same!!!

You are right about them not being able to survive on their own because they would have to change their lifestyle, drastically, and I don't think they are capable of doing that!!!

Bevos

NOW you have done it!! You have gone and PROBABLY convinced them to stay!!! WHY? WHY? WHY???

bggamers Loc: georgia

Dont worry their crazy govenor is to stupid to listen and the people seem to follow like sheep.

Bevos

Well, it will probably be like the I***T LIB MOONBEAM "MOVIE STARS" that threatened to leave. When we told them not to let the door hit them in the butt, they stayed!!! BUT they DID find out how much they would be missed!! NOT!!!

Freedomcalls

V**es hummm american citizens 30 percent verses illegal. V**ers and moonbeams 70 percent. So I don't think the American citizens did not v**e him and others , Jerry Brown in, just saying.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

C'est la vie ~~

They are too ingrained with an ideology that says they need us for everything..

Can you imagine them having to fend for themselves..??? Cali is anything but financially stable.. Forget their pitch look at their held bonds .... Sure does seak louder than their lies...

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Ohhhh good grief, I have!!
In my friggen corner now, 10 minutes keyboard restriction, gosh dang it to hell!!! Ioololl

bggamers Loc: georgia

I was trying to give the v**ers in cali a little kindness but it would seem that they all been drinking the same hooch all crazy oh well by by

Freedomcalls

Lol lindajoy and gamers, i think it was that sack of seeds and sitting on the windmill , more than hooch. Brain cells ya know. 😎 DUDES and DUDETTS. Now i know where the G****l W*****g and the SMOG comes from. Duhh!! Piece and Luv. Later 😳✌️