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Feb 16, 2014 00:50:18   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Listen to these two men, one of them a progressive professor from George Washington U, and try to hear why they are saying will be the result of Obama's grab through the use of executive statements of one kind or another. I plan to check out professor Turley's blog where he says his progressive friends write. That would be Jonathon Turley.org

http://conservative50plus.com/blog/legal-experts-debate-obamas-statist-power-grab/?utm_source=Conservative+50+Plus&utm_campaign=1b1db14d57-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_be457ca6cc-1b1db14d57-3067685

I would suggest that this article explains a lot more about what Turley said and how he mistook Obama for something he doesn't think he is today. He says that "the thing speaks for itself" in describing what Obama and company are doing now.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/02/jonathan_turley_says_the_thing_speaks_for_itself.html

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Feb 16, 2014 05:59:10   #
Harpooner1
 
oldroy wrote:
Listen to these two men, one of them a progressive professor from George Washington U, and try to hear why they are saying will be the result of Obama's grab through the use of executive statements of one kind or another. I plan to check out professor Turley's blog where he says his progressive friends write. That would be Jonathon Turley.org

http://conservative50plus.com/blog/legal-experts-debate-obamas-statist-power-grab/?utm_source=Conservative+50+Plus&utm_campaign=1b1db14d57-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_be457ca6cc-1b1db14d57-3067685

I would suggest that this article explains a lot more about what Turley said and how he mistook Obama for something he doesn't think he is today. He says that "the thing speaks for itself" in describing what Obama and company are doing now.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/02/jonathan_turley_says_the_thing_speaks_for_itself.html
Listen to these two men, one of them a progressive... (show quote)


Roy, There is no doubt that Obama is in major overreach. This president is using his power and the minions to try to get things done before he is torn down. He will be torn down. There is no way in hell that good Americans will tolerate this abuse of power. It becomes more apparent with each passing day that this man is a t*****r to the citizens of the US. The MSM has been running cover for him, but, they can't defend this POS much longer.

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Feb 16, 2014 06:41:22   #
stan3186
 
Harpooner1 wrote:
Roy, There is no doubt that Obama is in major overreach. This president is using his power and the minions to try to get things done before he is torn down. He will be torn down. There is no way in hell that good Americans will tolerate this abuse of power. It becomes more apparent with each passing day that this man is a t*****r to the citizens of the US. The MSM has been running cover for him, but, they can't defend this POS much longer.



You know, I can only hope that you are right. I truly hope that he is "torn down" before much longer, but I still have my doubts. The MSM is still covering his tracks and not smacking him like they would if he was a republican or white.
Who do you think is going to tear him down? We have a do nothing Congress that has no power of criminal prosecution even if they wanted to go after him. We have Eric Holder as Attorney General who is appointed by Obama and isn't about to do anything that would cause Obama any problems, much less prosecution. It is up to the Attorney General to select a Special Prosecutor to go after criminals at the executive level. If you want to know how bias he is look at the prosecutor appointed for the IRS scandal, an Obama supporter and Obama campaign contributor.
So. just who is going to stop this madman? Even if the Republicans overtake the Senate and increase their majority in the House, there would still be nothing they could do to stop this madman's power grab by ruling by Executive Order. Even the Supreme Court would not be able to stop him, because it will take too long to get something in front of them to stop him and even if they ruled against his using Executive Orders to go around Congress, they have no power of enforcement of the ruling, only law enforcement has that power.
So, who is going to stop him? I really don't know, do you"

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Feb 16, 2014 07:08:59   #
Harpooner1
 
stan3186 wrote:
You know, I can only hope that you are right. I truly hope that he is "torn down" before much longer, but I still have my doubts. The MSM is still covering his tracks and not smacking him like they would if he was a republican or white.
Who do you think is going to tear him down? We have a do nothing Congress that has no power of criminal prosecution even if they wanted to go after him. We have Eric Holder as Attorney General who is appointed by Obama and isn't about to do anything that would cause Obama any problems, much less prosecution. It is up to the Attorney General to select a Special Prosecutor to go after criminals at the executive level. If you want to know how bias he is look at the prosecutor appointed for the IRS scandal, an Obama supporter and Obama campaign contributor.
So. just who is going to stop this madman? Even if the Republicans overtake the Senate and increase their majority in the House, there would still be nothing they could do to stop this madman's power grab by ruling by Executive Order. Even the Supreme Court would not be able to stop him, because it will take too long to get something in front of them to stop him and even if they ruled against his using Executive Orders to go around Congress, they have no power of enforcement of the ruling, only law enforcement has that power.
So, who is going to stop him? I really don't know, do you"
You know, I can only hope that you are right. I tr... (show quote)


Roy, there is a lack of will in the Republicans, I do see this. But, most Americans do not want want Obama is foisting on the people. It is a game of power. Obama is a useless president. But people like him. Why? I have no idea. He is a pile of sh** . I would not be proud to have him as a friend. But, getting back to the issues at hand, the congress has to go back to basics. Impeach. start it now and let the American people know that this jackass and his administration has got to go. The Constitution does mean everything to this nation. And obama has defied the laws....Bring him to a true Justice. He has betrayed America.

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Feb 16, 2014 10:43:38   #
bahmer
 
oldroy wrote:
Listen to these two men, one of them a progressive professor from George Washington U, and try to hear why they are saying will be the result of Obama's grab through the use of executive statements of one kind or another. I plan to check out professor Turley's blog where he says his progressive friends write. That would be Jonathon Turley.org

http://conservative50plus.com/blog/legal-experts-debate-obamas-statist-power-grab/?utm_source=Conservative+50+Plus&utm_campaign=1b1db14d57-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_be457ca6cc-1b1db14d57-3067685

I would suggest that this article explains a lot more about what Turley said and how he mistook Obama for something he doesn't think he is today. He says that "the thing speaks for itself" in describing what Obama and company are doing now.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/02/jonathan_turley_says_the_thing_speaks_for_itself.html
Listen to these two men, one of them a progressive... (show quote)


I think that this is one of the reasons that the GOP is having trouble raising funds is because the people see them as weak and ineffective at containing Obama and they, the people are not supporting the party that is supposed to stop him and they sure aren't going to support the party that embraces him either.

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Feb 16, 2014 10:50:06   #
Kevyn
 
The simple t***h is that president Obama has used executive orders at a slower rate than other modern presidents. This is just another teabagger broken record whine off about nothing.

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Feb 16, 2014 11:17:09   #
stan3186
 
Kevyn wrote:
The simple t***h is that president Obama has used executive orders at a slower rate than other modern presidents. This is just another teabagger broken record whine off about nothing.


It's not that they are used or not used, it's how they are used. It's true other presidents have used Executive Orders to extend laws or enforce existing laws, but not for going around Congress and announcing that he will do what is necessary for the country with or without Congress. The very definition of a Dictatorship.

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Feb 16, 2014 11:38:03   #
Kevyn
 
stan3186 wrote:
It's not that they are used or not used, it's how they are used. It's true other presidents have used Executive Orders to extend laws or enforce existing laws, but not for going around Congress and announcing that he will do what is necessary for the country with or without Congress. The very definition of a Dictatorship.


Here is the very definition of a dictatorship...

Dictatorship: a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator (not restricted by a constitution or laws or opposition etc.)

We have a constitution and laws and the President has a very loud opposition, try again.

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Feb 16, 2014 11:50:20   #
stan3186
 
Kevyn wrote:
Here is the very definition of a dictatorship...

Dictatorship: a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator (not restricted by a constitution or laws or opposition etc.)

We have a constitution and laws and the President has a very loud opposition, try again.


But when you usurp the Constitution and make the Legislature powerless and non-essential it's the same thing. Effectively, a Dictatorship.

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Feb 16, 2014 13:25:47   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
stan3186 wrote:
You know, I can only hope that you are right. I truly hope that he is "torn down" before much longer, but I still have my doubts. The MSM is still covering his tracks and not smacking him like they would if he was a republican or white.
Who do you think is going to tear him down? We have a do nothing Congress that has no power of criminal prosecution even if they wanted to go after him. We have Eric Holder as Attorney General who is appointed by Obama and isn't about to do anything that would cause Obama any problems, much less prosecution. It is up to the Attorney General to select a Special Prosecutor to go after criminals at the executive level. If you want to know how bias he is look at the prosecutor appointed for the IRS scandal, an Obama supporter and Obama campaign contributor.
So. just who is going to stop this madman? Even if the Republicans overtake the Senate and increase their majority in the House, there would still be nothing they could do to stop this madman's power grab by ruling by Executive Order. Even the Supreme Court would not be able to stop him, because it will take too long to get something in front of them to stop him and even if they ruled against his using Executive Orders to go around Congress, they have no power of enforcement of the ruling, only law enforcement has that power.
So, who is going to stop him? I really don't know, do you"
You know, I can only hope that you are right. I tr... (show quote)


What happens if the Republicans take over the Senate and kick out some RINOs in so doing? We would learn pretty fast how much of our Constitution is still in effect when the House impeached him for nothing more than his nearly 30 lies about Obamacare and the Senate tried and v**ed to kick him out of office for his treasonous actions. Of course, he can't use his veto pen for that one so we would see if the Constitution is still in effect at all and he doesn't have to be thrown out by the military upholding their oaths of office to uphold the Constitution.

Am I talking about a possible civil war? I am talking about saving our sacred document before he manages to destroy it completely. I h**e to think that a President would be kicked out of office for trying to take over the government completely but it is something that we have to do, like it or not.

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Feb 16, 2014 13:30:23   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Harpooner1 wrote:
Roy, there is a lack of will in the Republicans, I do see this. But, most Americans do not want want Obama is foisting on the people. It is a game of power. Obama is a useless president. But people like him. Why? I have no idea. He is a pile of sh** . I would not be proud to have him as a friend. But, getting back to the issues at hand, the congress has to go back to basics. Impeach. start it now and let the American people know that this jackass and his administration has got to go. The Constitution does mean everything to this nation. And obama has defied the laws....Bring him to a true Justice. He has betrayed America.
Roy, there is a lack of will in the Republicans, I... (show quote)


Too many of our people haven't read the Constitution and don't have any idea what it says or why it says things. It was written much more to protect the people than to establish a government. Of course, Obama has violated the document so many times and those who don't know about it still support him but then we know that about 50% of us are being paid to support him now and that makes it rough, but he can be done away with by Congress if we can get rid of enough RINOs and Democrats in November. This e******n is rapidly becoming the most important one of all time because of Obama and the necessity to bring him back under the control of the Constitution.

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Feb 16, 2014 13:33:57   #
Kevyn
 
stan3186 wrote:
But when you usurp the Constitution and make the Legislature powerless and non-essential it's the same thing. Effectively, a Dictatorship.


The constitution has not been usurped, the congress and anyone in the country has access to the courts to make the case otherwise, courts which for the most part are stacked with right wing judges. Do you really think that a dictatorship would allow you to post this crap? or for that matter license an anti government propaganda machine like FOX news? You do not have a clue of what a dictatorship is like to live under.

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Feb 16, 2014 13:34:01   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
bahmer wrote:
I think that this is one of the reasons that the GOP is having trouble raising funds is because the people see them as weak and ineffective at containing Obama and they, the people are not supporting the party that is supposed to stop him and they sure aren't going to support the party that embraces him either.


What my Democrat "friends" keep telling me is that Republicans are spending more money in Florida than the Dems have to spend. Where are they getting all that money?

I do understand that all the large groups who have always donated wildly to Democrats, like the unions and some big businesses, are still kicking in, but the Dems keep telling me that I must donate to them to save us from the Republicans. Hell they even go so far as to call Boehner a friend of the Tea Party. Yep, I know that their base is willing to believe that but then they are the people who know so little about politics and who like to take in all the freebies they get.

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Feb 16, 2014 13:36:25   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Kevyn wrote:
The simple t***h is that president Obama has used executive orders at a slower rate than other modern presidents. This is just another teabagger broken record whine off about nothing.


Of course, you are talking about a man who has been at it only 5 years and promises to do it more and comparing him to men who did it for 8 years. Are you one of our people who learned his math sk**ls from progressive teachers? It sure sounds like you may well be. Why don't you get some numbers about the first 5 years of those more recent Presidents and stop counting their whole two terms? I know, but do you?

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Feb 16, 2014 13:42:09   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Kevyn wrote:
Here is the very definition of a dictatorship...

Dictatorship: a form of government in which the ruler is an absolute dictator (not restricted by a constitution or laws or opposition etc.)

We have a constitution and laws and the President has a very loud opposition, try again.


Is Obama really controlled by the Constitution that he refuses to go along with so often? Does he obey the Constitution and laws when he refuses to allow the Congress to hold him back. The Constitution you speak of says that only the Congress can legislate but Obama has been doing just that every time he makes even a tiny change in the Obamacare law. For instance, the law says very plainly that it will go into effect the day after December 31, 2013 and he has put that date back to 2015 for some people and not at all for others. Did he pass that law or did his Democrat Congress pass it?

Find a place in the Constitution that says the President can change legislation without the Congress's approval. Maybe you would have to read some of Articles 1 and II to find what isn't there, but you need to do the reading and stop this ridiculous arguing with untrue examples.

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