thinksense

Floyd,

I am glad to say that I was wrong. I have seldom seen a string that went on this long on this forum, without d********g exhibits of childishness and stupidity.

Keep discussing like reasonable humans.

Thanks for making my statement wrong, people.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

After this weekend, in Charlottesville, there is no proof that no such reasonable people, walk the streets of our country.

Randy131 Loc: Florida

And who do you put the blame and responsibility on, for this planned conflict in Charlottesville, the peaceful rally marchers, marching to save those historical statues, who defended themselves when they were attacked, or the crowd three times their number that attacked them for marching in that rally to try to save those historical statues.

These attackers are the same type of people who did the exact same things in the Berkley campus r**ts in California, the liberals, progressives, and Democrats, who refuse the American people who believe differently then they do, to exercise their rights as listed in the 'Bill of Rights', just because they don't want anyone to hear what those American people that they attack have to say.

They also say they attacked because those white supremists, KKK, and alt-right groups are deplorable people, as Hillary Clinton also claimed the American people who supported Donald Trump for President were. But does that mean that if an American is a deplorable person, that they are not allowed to exercise their rights guaranteed in the 'US Constitution', as Americans?

I personally believe that B*M, 1%ers, and the A****a are deplorable people, as they urge the k*****g, and actually do some of the k*****g, of our police officers, which to me makes them worse than the white supremist, KKK, and alt-right. So does that mean that I, and people who think like me, who also think that B*M, 1%ers, and the A****a are deplorables, can attack them as those deplorable people were attacked while marching peacefully in the rally to save those historical statues were attacked, and defended themselves, which is also their right to do?

I deplore what the white supremist, KKK, and alt-right stand for and espouse, but I will defend their right to do so peacefully, and if I dislike what they say, and do, I'll quit listening to them and leave, for they as Americans have the same right I do to say what they believe, peacefully, and also the right to defend themselves when attacked by people who attack them simply because they think them deplorable.

Who gets to be the judge on who is deplorable and who isn't, and who gets to judge what h**e speech is and isn't? This is the reason why all speech used to be free in the USA, as an American right, because those who judge what is and is not, have much power over those they are allowed to judge, you and me and all Americans, especially when it is about free speech, and is why the 'Founding Fathers' refused to ratify the 'US Constitution' until the 'Bill of Rights' was added to it as it's first 'Ten Amendments'.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

...maybe you should watch the group marching through town with torches Friday night.

Who gets to judge...you state: .."I deplore what the w***e s*********ts, KKK, and alt-right stand for....."

If you deplore what they say, than when are you going to stand up and say that you do?

They also could have come to town in t-shirts and jeans in a bus, and they might have gotten a different reaction. They chose uniforms, helmets, and carried bats. They are hardly a friendly reception party...or a group interested in a deep intellectual discussion.

Randy131 Loc: Florida

"...maybe you should watch the group marching through town with torches Friday night." - And which group was that, do you even know, was it the smaller group who planned a peaceful rally for the preservation of the hisorical statues and monuments, or was it the group that outnumbered the ralliers by more than three to one, who attacked them physically and violently, and then when the samller group started fighting back in self defense, you blamed them for the violence? They did the same thing on the Berkley campus in California, marched with torches through the campus with fatigues and black clothing, wearing masked so they couldn't be identified when they started destroying public and private property, and physically attacking anyone and everyone that they found that didn't agree with them and their agenda, then stopped the speaking event that was sceduled because the speaker was going to talk about things they didn't like or agree with, just as those same types of people (liberals, progressives, Democrats, B*M, 1%ers, and A****a) attacked the peaceful ralliers in Charlettesville.

"If you deplore what they say, than when are you going to stand up and say that you do?" - I have many times over on all these OPP sites in the last two days, go back and read some of my posted comments to find the t***h, but I also said those being attacked are American people who have the right to say what they want, even if you and I find it detestable, because if we don't like it, all we have to do is quit listening and walk away, for there is no need to attack Americans who are exercising their constitutional rights, if they are doing it peacefully, which in this case they didn't get a chance, because the people who disliked them and detested what they stand for, attacked them, and then blamed them for the violence for fighting back in self defense.

"They also could have come to town in t-shirts and jeans..." - That they could have, but you could also dress in the manner that I like, instead of what you want to, but it's not my job to attack you because you don't dress the way I prefer. You just h**e it when people have different views than yours, and refuse to do and act as you want them to do, but if you keep getting your way of attacking people because they are different than you, and believe things you find detestable, the day will come when someone finds you in the same way, and will attack you for not believing as they do, and not doing as they want you to do, and that will then be well deserved, for what goes around comes around. You apparently h**e to let people live their own lives and believe wh**ever they want, especially if they don'y believe as you want them to. Good thing you weren't there, for you would probably have attacked them too, no matter how innocently they were marching in rally of their cause of saving a couple of historic statues and monuments.

"They chose uniforms, helmets, and carried bats." - It's a damn good thing that they did, or else they would have been slaughtered by the attacking group that had numbers at least three times greater than their own, and also armed as well, if not better. Had they not been attacked, you'll never know if they would have had a reason to use that gear they brought with them, just as the r****rs in Berkley had brought to their planned protest of free speech by a conservative, so did their attackers in Charlottesville.

"They are hardly a friendly reception party...or a group interested in a deep intellectual discussion." - They weren't there for a reception party, or as a group for a deep intellectual discussion, but to simply march in a peaceful rally showing their support for the historical statues and monuments, but were attacked by a crowd more than three times their number, and when fighting back in self defense, gives you a reason to blame the violence on them, when had they been left alone, they would have done their march, made their speeches, and be gone by the next day, if not even sooner, but you people who h**e them for what they stand for, which you claim is hatred, instead attacked them for your hatred, but are too stupid to see the irony and hypocrisy of what was done to them, and what you say about them.

I agree, the white supremist, KKK, and alt-right stand for what I consider deplorable things, but that is their right to do so, and we don't have to attack them for it. B*M, the 1%ers, and the A****a (which was part of the attackers, and attacked a reporter there because the A****a guy who hit her in the face, knocking her to the ground, thought she was taking pictures for them, which the liberal biased media refuse to report on, because it proves the white supremist, KKK, and alt-right people were being attacked for no reason, and doing nothing to provoke the attacks) also stand for deplorable things, but I don't see them being attacked for what they believe, the k*****g of cops and white people, yet I'm not going to attack them for what they believe and openly espouse, for I just don't listen to them and I leave from whereever they instigate their violence and r**ting, which they always seem to do. So where is your condemnation of them, for they are really worse than the white supremist, KKK, and the alt-right, for they do k**l people and destroy public and private property in what they describe as protests, and physically harm those who don't agree with their agenda, and deny people their constitutional rights, unless you agree with their agenda.

Your a 'HYPOCRITE' because you don't even know who the real attackers were, and are mad because those you detest fought back in self defense, because you h**e them for what they believe in, which is every Americans right to do, believe in wh**ever they want, as long as they don't harm others by implementing their beliefs on others. It seems your ID name is very befitting.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

Okay, the next time an innocent marcher, gets k**led by one of your buddies, we'll just call it even?

Who's the hypocrite?

When did I say they didn't have the right to say what they wanted to say. The mayor certainly is a hypocrite.

...but you know, my parents gave me some good advice, sometimes there are things better left unsaid. Their demands were outside the scope of the Charlottesville. What if you wanted to cut down a tree on public land, and every tree hugger rolled into town to tell you not to do it and march around in helmets and carrying bats to let you know that words weren't strong enough? Again, who's the hypocrite? If they same group had come to town just to hang out at the coffee shop and chat amongst themselves, what kind of a reception would they have gotten in a diner?

You can cry about your constitutional rights all day long, it is equally a violation to piss people off, are you familiar with: "We hold these t***hs to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness." I would say, it was clear that they were trampling all over "self-evident" t***hs. Most of them looked like military drop-out and at best had never even served the country they so care about....

Randy131 Loc: Florida

You don't even know why that woman was k**led, or what the circumstances were, because the police are afraid of more r**ts if they should let those circumstances out. It has been reported, and was caught on video, that the man who was driving that car was trying to leave, driving very slowly and cautiously, but you friends that came their to attack people because of their hatred for them, started throwing bottles, rocks, and other debris at his car, from both sides of the street. It was said by the people who took the video that they thought the driver got scared and panicked over so many things being thrown at him and his car, and sped up trying to get out of their quickly and safely. Whether that be true or not, I don't know, but I'm willing to wait for the t***h to come out, before I start condemning someone, because some more of my constitutional rights say a person is innocent until prove guilty. The driver was only 20 years old, and they still haven't said which group he was a part of, the peaceful ralliers, or the huge gang of attackers, who started assaulting people, because as you say their "violation to piss people off", a great reason to attack other people.

The white supremist, KKK, and alt-righters aren't my buddies, but they are fellow Americans with supposedly the same rights that I demand for myself, and I'm not here to get even for anyone, but to show the hatred by those who attack people because they claim the people they attack stand for hatred. That is so ironic and hypocritical, and what has led to this poor woman's death, and in my book, the attackers are the one's responsible, not the self defenders.

The white supremist, KKK, and alt-righters demands were simply, and what most people in the south want, our statues and monuments left as they are, and our history remembered for what it was, a war for states' rights and sovereignty, as supposedly guaranteed by the 'US Constitution', not about s***ery, which President Lincoln brought into the war much later, when the North was on the brink of defeat, and the morale of his armies was very low and nearly destroyed. So President Lincoln wrote the 'Emanicipation Proclamation' to inspire his defeated armies to fight on, which worked like a charm, since the South hadn't the resources to wage a long war, and the North did.

Your "tree hugger" story is very relevant today though, because for the last 8 years under Obama, the Democrats, and you liberals, the American people have lost the right to do what they want on their own private property, by Obama ordering the EPA to overstep their authority and start regulating things that the law didn't give them the authority to regulate, and even though their last huge land-rights grab was denied them in a federal court, they still had done much damage to the American farmer and the American people, which President Trump is correcting by rolling back all these rules made by the EPA without the mandate of law, and restoring the people's right on their own private property. But know nobody went out attacking people, causing unneeded death, because of what was done against our private property rights by the people of the EPA and all their environmentalists supporters and promoters of usurping the Americsn people's rights on their own property.

I'm not crying about anything, but am just pointing out your hypocrisy, which I think you don't even understand the results of what you are saying (with the false accusations you were putting out without any proof, but only hearsay from the liberal biased media, who have been proven wrong so many times this year, and of reporting "F**e News" from anonymous sources all the time), just because of your hatred of some deplorable people, who are supposed to have the same rights as you and I, and if their rights can be taken from them, then your and my rights can also be taken from us. Attacking people because you dislike them and h**e what they stand for does not work in a civilized society, because then someone can use the same excuse and tactics to attack you, unless you're going to capitulate to everything everyone ever demands of you.

Those deplorable people weren't trampling over anything, they were only attempting a peaceful rally in marching for the support of keeping our historical statues and monuments as they have been for 150 years, and were attacked because the liberals, progressives, and Democrats hatred of them, for who they are and what they stand for, not for anything they did that was harmful to anyone or illegal, but because they were only trying to exercise the same rights of those who attacked them demand for themselves, and supposedly the reason they were out there with the planned rally in the first place, but it is quite obvious that they had planned on attacking the peaceful ralliers all the time.

I'm a veteran of the USMC and Vietnam War, and have seen many veterans all my life, and many are homeless and look like bums, but that doesn't mean I respect them any the less, for they served their country and put their lives on the line in doing so. Have you done the same, and if not, then you have no right to complain how they look, how they are dressed, and what they are or have been doing.

thinksense

H**e is brought on by feelings of Fear and feelings of guilt.

It is obvious that the "left wingers' who outnumbered the "right wingers" by far were spewing h**e. You don't throw bottles and rocks at people you love.

And throwing bottles and rocks at people is assault with a deadly weapon in every state. All these criminals should have been arrested and put in jail or insane assylums where they belong.

As for helmets being worn. Smart move when you know from experience what the (most likely paid, professional mobsters have done in the past.