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Feb 7, 2014 17:11:02   #
Comment Loc: California
 
Tasine wrote:
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I couldn't agree more. A big part of what I see as the problem in addition to your comment is that our morality and integrity has skidded downhill at breakneck speed. A culture that is obscene will not last long and will never be a contented populace.


John Adams said, "our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. I is wholly inadequate to a government of any other."

I believe he was saying that religious people will pass just laws relative to the morals of our creator. Not so many believe in our creator.

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Feb 7, 2014 17:24:54   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
Billhuggins wrote:
I believe that the #1 cause of the Republicans loosing the female v**e is because they always preach about the evil of a******n. Why do they insist on taking to the Fed level? Why not leave it alone. Immigration is another difficult issue. I******s should not be here and rewarding them citizenship will continue to be the a magnet and they will keep coming. They are mostly poorly educated and will be on assistance not matter how much the politicians say otherwise. It's hard for me to agree with the RNC's or, DMC''s total platforms so I am independent but, conservative Tea Party.
I believe that the #1 cause of the Republicans loo... (show quote)


I do believe that Democrats have the upper hand, when it comes to being lock step with each other. We dilute what we have when we run independents and tea party candidates in a 3+ party e******n. We may not like everything a particular person stands for but 3 out 4 works for me.

And yes I really really think this continuing battle over a******n is k*****g the Republican Party. If or when we ever take all 3 branches of the gov back then we can address the question with a much more long term solution.

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Feb 7, 2014 18:41:34   #
Brian Devon
 
Tasine wrote:
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Republicans are nice people. Too many Republicans think it's wrong to criticize other Republicans.

This failure to be forthright has had consequences. It has allowed the Republican Party to take up political space it has no business occupying as it embraces left-wing statist tyranny. Much of the time, the GOP is merely Democrat-lite.

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) are so dangerously out of touch and out of control nowadays in part because other Republicans have allowed them to get that way. Boehner and McConnell regard conservatives as a nuisance to be overcome, co-opted, subverted, and if necessary, eliminated.

A new way of thinking is required.

For a start, if you self-identify as a Republican and you are serious about restoring the Constitution, shrinking the government, and reducing government spending, it is wrong to think of other Republican Party members as necessarily being your friends.

A political party isn't a club or a sacred religious order. It isn't a brotherhood or fraternity. The other people in the party aren't necessarily your friends, or even people you'd feel comfortable lending your lawnmower.

Here is wisdom: if you, as a Republican, remain true to small-government principles, many of your worst enemies will be found in your own party, and they are likely to be much more vicious, petty, vindictive, and malicious than most of your adversaries on the left. Intra-party squabbles and in-fighting are among the most brutal of all political conflicts in America.
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Personally I can attest to the t***hfulness of this information. I was set upon by republicans on a site a couple of days ago because I dared to v**e Libertarian in the last e******n - they insisted I helped them lose, even though I pointed out they lost by 2% of the v**es, yet Libertarian v**es came to only 1%. I told them I v**ed on principle - that Gary Johnson was the only one who truly valued individual freedoms - and they told me that principles do NOT COME BEFORE WINNING. But I can't believe the public can expect to see principled politicians when the people who elect them aren't doing so on the basis of principles. Maybe I am simply crazy.
FTA br Republicans are nice people. Too many Repu... (show quote)



I agree with you. I totally support the idea of a Republican civil war. I think that after Jeb Bush secures the nomination, the "true conservatives" should stay home on e******n day and spite the leadership for not paving the way for Ted Cruz or Rand Paul. That will teach those folks, who are willing to compromise( by working with the Democracts to pass needed legislation) a lesson! Who do those moderate Republicans think they are? How dare they try to expand the Republican base to reach out to educated women and Hispanics? Just because those two groups are necessary to win e******ns, doesn't mean the Republicans should pander to them.

You have no idea of how torn up the Democratic leadership is to see the Republicans fighting over amnesty and the very concept of compromise.

Three cheers for the true believers. Go for it! President Goldwater would have been very proud of all y'all.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Feb 7, 2014 18:58:09   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
Tasine wrote:
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I couldn't agree more. A big part of what I see as the problem in addition to your comment is that our morality and integrity has skidded downhill at breakneck speed. A culture that is obscene will not last long and will never be a contented populace.


unclet/Tasine-agree with you both. However, our principles are not helped if, by sticking to our guns ,we elect a Hillary Clinton. If you think things are bad now, what would a total democrat control do to the country ? With control of Congress and the White House they can tax ,spend,print and borrow at will with no checks and balances of any kind. The government would grow even bigger and anyone with a decent income would see their taxes raised to fund the ever increasing social programs for the truly needy and those who are too lazy to work. Good Luck America !!!

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Feb 7, 2014 19:05:36   #
Brian Devon
 
Fred Schnaubelt wrote:
About the makeup of the e*****rate.

TEA Party conservatives are winning today. You can tell by the hysterical over-the-top vitriolic rhetoric the liberals use whenever they are losing.

How can you prove we conservatives are winning? For over 2 decades, about twice as many Americans have claimed to be conservatives as liberals, 46% to 20% in 2012 according to Gallup, despite liberals dominating the media, universities, and Hollywood. Liberals become conservative once they move out of their parents’ home, get a job, get married, buy a house and pay taxes.

IF YOU LOOK AT A BELL CURVE

On the left, see a few hundred articulate and persuasive intellectuals of Socialism. People like John Kenneth Galbraith and Paul Krugman, (in Blue) followed by many more political activists (Orange) and the broad center low-information v**ers. (Green).

On the right, a few hundred articulate and persuasive intellectuals of free market Capitalism, like Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, and William Buckley, followed by many more in the choir. How good we get at “PERSUADING” the vast number in the broad middle, who may be great engineers, great musicians, great gardeners, church goers, parents but they are almost totally non-political, and who determine the nation’s fate.
You may be thinking to yourselves, Fred, you are speaking to the choir. But the choir is what counts in politics. It is critical that we spend time energizing the choir and providing it the intellectual ammunition to influence others to join our cause; to teach why limited government, private property, and the free market based on voluntary exchange is the only moral economic system ever devised.

The purpose of teaching others the philosophy of freedom, is not to convert them into believing in freedom from government, but to find them. More precisely, help them find themselves in becoming passionate about individual liberty and to swell the ranks of the choir. It’s the choir, it is us, who carry freedom and civilization forward generation to generation.

To better understand see http://www.romancingthev**ers.com for 2 Free Chapters
About the makeup of the e*****rate. br br TEA Par... (show quote)



A plugfest? How cute. Americans just can't wait to buy the right wing rantings and f**g waving of a former San Diego councilman. Has anyone, other than your mother, bought this book? She must be very proud.

:-D :-D :-D

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Feb 7, 2014 20:17:11   #
Constitutional libertarian Loc: St Croix National Scenic River Way
 
Brian Devon wrote:
A plugfest? How cute. Americans just can't wait to buy the right wing rantings and f**g waving of a former San Diego councilman. Has anyone, other than your mother, bought this book? She must be very proud.

:-D :-D :-D


What the hell is a plugfest, is that some sort of liberal festival of gay men playing with their rear ends ?

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Feb 7, 2014 20:22:53   #
Brian Devon
 
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
What the hell is a plugfest, is that some sort of liberal festival of gay men playing with their rear ends ?



A "plug" is pushing something that must be purchased...be it a book, movie, album, concert tickets, products, etc. This doofus has obviously come to this site to sell books...hence the free 2 chapter sampling.

Johnny Carson ran a nightly plugfest after his monologue. It made him an incredibly wealthy man. He was able to do it in a more entertaining fashion than most.

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Feb 7, 2014 21:53:11   #
Comment Loc: California
 
rodulfo-tardo wrote:
People like you theorize totally useless reasoning to justify the revisionist psychology it takes to capitulate the country you live in.


Reads like the opinion of a moron. Moron!

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Feb 7, 2014 23:33:24   #
rodulfo-tardo
 
Robotic Ideologues is the phrase that best conveys the trend we are following every day, there is a psychological explanation for the 'resident' Sultan of D.C.

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Feb 8, 2014 04:54:52   #
ibKelly
 
cold iron wrote:
It seems to me the GOP is just plain terrified to say anything about Obama because he is black.


If anyone does, all b****s and kooks for the Democrats will jump your bones calling you that dreaded WORD.... R****T !!!!

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Feb 8, 2014 07:27:29   #
stan3186
 
Unclet wrote:
Principled Politicians - Now where in Washington or any other place do we find some of those? Or at least enough to make a difference?

I don't think there are any incumbents that can make that claim, oh maybe a couple or three. But of those few, how many would you really trust? Let's see, Cruz, no to much political baggage. Rubio, no he is to wishy washy. The only one that I can think of is Trey Gowdy. Not that I know that much about him, but man he likes a good fight and doesn't seem (seem) to give a care about someone's feelings, when looking for the t***h.
Principled Politicians - Now where in Washington o... (show quote)


I agree wholeheartedly with your statement. I wish that we had 500 Gowdy-like people in the House and 50 in the Senate, but not going to happen.

Right now we need to maintain the House and take back the Senate with Republicans. The only way that is going to happen is for all conservatives to join together and v**e Republican. We conservatives are a minority in this "free" (as in cellphones) society and can't afford to be fractured in our v****g. We all need to v**e for Republicans even if it makes you ill to do so. Once we have "conservative" control, then we can go about eliminating the RINO's. However, if we don't join together, it's guaranteed that the Liberals will continue to win the e******ns and destroy our Constitutional Republic.

It may already be too late to win back the WH right now, but we can win the local and some of the national e******ns at the Senate and House level which would effectively eliminate the power crazy Socialist in the WH presently.

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Feb 8, 2014 09:47:20   #
Grampy
 
stan3186 wrote:
I agree wholeheartedly with your statement. I wish that we had 500 Gowdy-like people in the House and 50 in the Senate, but not going to happen.

Right now we need to maintain the House and take back the Senate with Republicans. The only way that is going to happen is for all conservatives to join together and v**e Republican. We conservatives are a minority in this "free" (as in cellphones) society and can't afford to be fractured in our v****g. We all need to v**e for Republicans even if it makes you ill to do so. Once we have "conservative" control, then we can go about eliminating the RINO's. However, if we don't join together, it's guaranteed that the Liberals will continue to win the e******ns and destroy our Constitutional Republic.

It may already be too late to win back the WH right now, but we can win the local and some of the national e******ns at the Senate and House level which would effectively eliminate the power crazy Socialist in the WH presently.
I agree wholeheartedly with your statement. I wish... (show quote)

Definitely on the same page with your comments we need to win
The Republicans Don't understand the game or the opposition and are being outplayed very badly because of this.... Let me use a chess analogy. In chess a top player is a Grand master and will beat any normal player 100% of the time no matter the situation he is put in. Currently the Democrats have a grand master planning their game and I'll be kind and say Republicans are a normal player ( but I truly believe they don't know their in a chess match against a Grand Master)A grand master has access to enormous amounts of data ( thousands of previous game situations and winning responses ).
So Republicans need to learn the game and who they are up against and find a grand master who has same data and can counter to win the game.
Here’s an example of not knowing a counter move ---- Romney says 47% of people won’t v**e for him because they are getting free stuff ….. The republicans did not have a counter move and they could have turned this into an advantage and gotten some mileage of it simply saying Hey 47% don’t k**l the goose that is laying the golden egg for you. Message that simple concept and you can pick up the few % points to turn defeat into victory now multiply the counter moves by opportunities presented that’s only defense imagine if Republican could actually go on Offense ( Yes it’s allowed for us also).
Imagine we could take “Yes we can to a new Level”

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Feb 8, 2014 10:05:40   #
teaman
 
My friend, you are absolutely correct! In my early years, I was a dummycrat because my parents were! When the totally perverted JFK came on the scene acting like some kind of saint, I switched. For a short while, I looked to the Repub-A-Flubs until I saw there were jackals in this corrupt party as well. I then became an independent conservative and damn proud of it! It would be a tremendous help if we had a Conservative Party that could be truly trusted.....wishful thinking I know! The Tea Party might be the way if we can weed out ideologues.
The party I have in mind would uphold the Constitution as it is written, uphold and enforce all laws on the books, and remove all judges(by force if necessary) who support their wrongly claimed right to change law instead of interpreting as it is written. Any judge who rules against a majority v**e of the people would immediately be fired and their rulings v**ed!
If one has a problem with the Constitution and our laws, there are ways to effect change! But not the perverted lawless brain dead c*******t socialist i***ts controlling our Nation right now! They can't stand one word of our Constitution or most laws, so they corrupt all systems causing our Nation to now become known as, "THE UN-UNITED PERVERTED STATES OF AMERICA"!......ENJOY WHILE YOU CAN FOR SOON WE WILL BE NO MORE!!!!!!

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Feb 8, 2014 10:30:16   #
bobgssc
 
Unclet wrote:
I see your point, however, I believe the unprincipled population outnumbers the principled population at this time. The real problem is, what has changed? How did a very large segment of our people become unprincipled? In a word, entitlements. Not saying that some entitlements are not needed, or have not been earned. I am saying that the corruption and criminality of the unprincipled masses that will only v**e for those who continue to provide "entitlements" need to be abandoned and replaced with honest and insightful overview.
I see your point, however, I believe the unprincip... (show quote)


Well spoken, Unclet. Furthermore (and just a hair off the main topic for a second), these entitlements have created an extremely dangerous monster... a sense of entitlement in the population. If you stop and look around for a second, you see it everywhere. Drive to the store, people charge through red lights because the law and their responsibility to act safely is less important than what they want. Watch people fight for parking spots, or jump in front of people they new were before them at the deli counter (of course, I just chose a simple example). Or, is our sense of entitlement, breeding the thought that we need to keep adding entitlements? I honestly don't know.
What I also don't know is what candidate out there will truly stand for the principles listed at the beginning of this thread? It seems that we have either people running for office who want to grow government while lining their pockets as much as possible, or those who really want to make the changes necessary but I don't think are really quite smart enough to get us out of this mess. Seriously, I've been unable to really follow the nation's up and coming politicians due to issues in my life (health, family health, etc) and all I really see is the California apes. Of course, being a conservative from California basically means my v**e doesn't count anyway. Just my two cents, but I really do wonder who is out there on the horizon that can lead us out of this. The only one I can think of right now is Colin Powell (don't laugh unless you watched his military career... he was considered the top "fire fighter" in the military and spent most of his career fixing organizations that were in the condition our country has reached). But of course, he isn't interested. To all of you, have a great day!

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Feb 8, 2014 10:37:57   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
teaman wrote:
My friend, you are absolutely correct! In my early years, I was a dummycrat because my parents were! When the totally perverted JFK came on the scene acting like some kind of saint, I switched. For a short while, I looked to the Repub-A-Flubs until I saw there were jackals in this corrupt party as well. I then became an independent conservative and damn proud of it! It would be a tremendous help if we had a Conservative Party that could be truly trusted.....wishful thinking I know! The Tea Party might be the way if we can weed out ideologues.
The party I have in mind would uphold the Constitution as it is written, uphold and enforce all laws on the books, and remove all judges(by force if necessary) who support their wrongly claimed right to change law instead of interpreting as it is written. Any judge who rules against a majority v**e of the people would immediately be fired and their rulings v**ed!
If one has a problem with the Constitution and our laws, there are ways to effect change! But not the perverted lawless brain dead c*******t socialist i***ts controlling our Nation right now! They can't stand one word of our Constitution or most laws, so they corrupt all systems causing our Nation to now become known as, "THE UN-UNITED PERVERTED STATES OF AMERICA"!......ENJOY WHILE YOU CAN FOR SOON WE WILL BE NO MORE!!!!!!
My friend, you are absolutely correct! In my earl... (show quote)

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I'm a somewhat new Libertarian (Republican for 50 years - quit when I realized it doesn't represent me - ever). The Libertarian Party seems to live as it speaks. And there is the Constitution Party which I believe would adhere to the Constitution. However, a 3rd Party, even though it may be far superior to the Republican Party will never have a fair run for the prize as long as the 2 major parties control everything, to the detriment of us all. What I would like to see is a "do over". Governments GROW. It's what they do best. It's how they gain power. It's how they hide their crimes and misdemeanors. It's how they become kings and keep us as their serfs. I believe we the people should MANDATE the size of government, and to grow it politicians would have to come to us to do so. Social programs would NOT be part of federal government. Each state would do as it feels right to do. Simply removing Obama is not going to make everything all right. Things were bad long before Obama. What Obama has done is show us how weak we citizens actually are and how easily and quickly we can be defeated and broken. That MAY benefit us in the long run. We have not known how many Americans had no clue what America is about, what runs the country, how things are done at the federal level. Maybe we can take all that and rec**p - but it won't be quick and it won't be easy or simple.

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