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Feb 1, 2014 13:07:27   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
wishamako1 wrote:
that was a phrase we used in Viet Nam for unfriendly area it looks like America is headed that way, No matter where I turn I see major problems we don't have anybody in Washington that really represent us its all about v**es, I dontknow how we can clean this mess up, Obama is not the only one that needs to leave its a lot of folks that simply are not doing their job,


Welcome! The forum is alive with friend & foe. It will not be hard to tell which is which. What will be hard is to find some one who is neutral.

As An individual I am quite conservative. Political wise I lean to the left.

Try as I might I am not near enough to be neutral as I would like to be

By stating about Obama I would take it that you lean to the right.

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Feb 1, 2014 13:09:06   #
Btfkr Loc: just outside the Mile High City
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
What about the recent spate of train derailments, oil cars breaking, exploding and burning, with the concomitant evacuations of thousands of people. And we must not forget the tanker trucks on the highways experiencing the same problems, overturning, multi-car accidents and burning, also causing evacuations of surrounding communities. Pipelines are MUCH safer, and less expensive to operate, nor do they tie up the Interstates with accidents. It is also much less expensive to t***sport. Buffet does not want the pipeline, it greatly diminishes his income. He ships by rail.
What about the recent spate of train derailments, ... (show quote)


what about not using so much oil?

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Feb 1, 2014 14:04:26   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Btfkr wrote:
what about not using so much oil?


The Country runs on oil. Oil is also used in the making of pharmaceuticals, plastic, autos, tires, clothing and a myriad of other things. Without oil the world would dry up and die. Get factual before showing your ignorance, and 'tree hugging' proclivities.

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Feb 1, 2014 14:46:43   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Construction jobs are often seasonal. what's wrong with those jobs? Pipe lines need serviced , inspected , etc. In this economy a job is a job. Also with the chaotic middle East I consider the pipeline a national security issue. But that's just me.
BigNorsk wrote:
Pipelines create construction jobs and then when put into service they result in a significant reduction in jobs. Handful of permanent workers compared to the trucking and rail workers replaced by the pipeline.

The others compete by their flexibility. Pipelines are very inflexible.

Environmentally, the Keystone XL will almost certainly have leaks, most will be small possibility of a large one does exist. When being built, everything has state of the art shutdowns and such. When spills happen, it seems less likely they work.

The recent explosion of a gas line in Manitoba is an example. The fire burned for 12 hours. No excuse on a major t***smission line of that.

I believe it was a T***sCanada line too. Which complicates everything.

Back to the XL, the part of the line which will take oil to the coast and raise interior US oil and gasoline prices is already in operation, building the rest would tend to provide the oil to fill that leg.
Pipelines create construction jobs and then when p... (show quote)

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Feb 1, 2014 15:28:04   #
Weyner
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
What about the recent spate of train derailments, oil cars breaking, exploding and burning, with the concomitant evacuations of thousands of people. And we must not forget the tanker trucks on the highways experiencing the same problems, overturning, multi-car accidents and burning, also causing evacuations of surrounding communities. Pipelines are MUCH safer, and less expensive to operate, nor do they tie up the Interstates with accidents. It is also much less expensive to t***sport. Buffet does not want the pipeline, it greatly diminishes his income. He ships by rail.
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It keeps more people working!

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Feb 1, 2014 15:40:49   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
Weyner wrote:
It keeps more people working!


Not more, just some.

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Feb 1, 2014 20:44:40   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
I don't want no pipeline just so a Canadian company can profit and our fuel prices go up because our surplus goes away
Old_Gringo wrote:
What about the recent spate of train derailments, oil cars breaking, exploding and burning, with the concomitant evacuations of thousands of people. And we must not forget the tanker trucks on the highways experiencing the same problems, overturning, multi-car accidents and burning, also causing evacuations of surrounding communities. Pipelines are MUCH safer, and less expensive to operate, nor do they tie up the Interstates with accidents. It is also much less expensive to t***sport. Buffet does not want the pipeline, it greatly diminishes his income. He ships by rail.
What about the recent spate of train derailments, ... (show quote)

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Feb 1, 2014 21:31:19   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
What about the recent spate of train derailments, oil cars breaking, exploding and burning, with the concomitant evacuations of thousands of people. And we must not forget the tanker trucks on the highways experiencing the same problems, overturning, multi-car accidents and burning, also causing evacuations of surrounding communities. Pipelines are MUCH safer, and less expensive to operate, nor do they tie up the Interstates with accidents. It is also much less expensive to t***sport. Buffet does not want the pipeline, it greatly diminishes his income. He ships by rail.
What about the recent spate of train derailments, ... (show quote)


Part right, but the fact remains, the pipe line accidents in NO. DAK. and in ARK I think it is, have not yet been cleaned up and they are from last summer, If a rupture happens, it is much more serious than rail or truck accident.. Also, the shale oil that will be in the pipe is very corrosive and will become the reason for very short term life of the pipe line... 3800 temporary construction jobs, 50 permanent jobs. Per the state dept in the statement of their review the other day... Koch has huge ownership in both the pipeline and the shale oil and refiners.. I do not know if Buffet owns tanker cars, seems out of his usual area of business.. Do you have a link to that? On the rail and truck accidents, I would think crude oil would be unlikely to explode/burn, how could several happen in a short time.. The pipeline last week was natural gas or LP gas, whichever report is correct..

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Feb 1, 2014 22:10:19   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Were do you get your info. I've not seen any reports of pipeline spills in N Dakota, not even on MSNBC. Did someone trip carrying an oil can?
permafrost wrote:
Part right, but the fact remains, the pipe line accidents in NO. DAK. and in ARK I think it is, have not yet been cleaned up and they are from last summer, If a rupture happens, it is much more serious than rail or truck accident.. Also, the shale oil that will be in the pipe is very corrosive and will become the reason for very short term life of the pipe line... 3800 temporary construction jobs, 50 permanent jobs. Per the state dept in the statement of their review the other day... Koch has huge ownership in both the pipeline and the shale oil and refiners.. I do not know if Buffet owns tanker cars, seems out of his usual area of business.. Do you have a link to that? On the rail and truck accidents, I would think crude oil would be unlikely to explode/burn, how could several happen in a short time.. The pipeline last week was natural gas or LP gas, whichever report is correct..
Part right, but the fact remains, the pipe line ac... (show quote)

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Feb 1, 2014 23:15:13   #
The Dutchman
 
wishamako1 wrote:
that was a phrase we used in Viet Nam for unfriendly area it looks like America is headed that way, No matter where I turn I see major problems we don't have anybody in Washington that really represent us its all about v**es, I dontknow how we can clean this mess up, Obama is not the only one that needs to leave its a lot of folks that simply are not doing their job,


Welcome aboard!

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Feb 1, 2014 23:23:04   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
There wer spills in the past year and what about that nieghborhood that was flooded with oil last summer. It's still a mess I hear.
JFlorio wrote:
Were do you get your info. I've not seen any reports of pipeline spills in N Dakota, not even on MSNBC. Did someone trip carrying an oil can?

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Feb 1, 2014 23:29:47   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
permafrost wrote:
Part right, but the fact remains, the pipe line accidents in NO. DAK. and in ARK I think it is, have not yet been cleaned up and they are from last summer, If a rupture happens, it is much more serious than rail or truck accident.. Also, the shale oil that will be in the pipe is very corrosive and will become the reason for very short term life of the pipe line... 3800 temporary construction jobs, 50 permanent jobs. Per the state dept in the statement of their review the other day... Koch has huge ownership in both the pipeline and the shale oil and refiners.. I do not know if Buffet owns tanker cars, seems out of his usual area of business.. Do you have a link to that? On the rail and truck accidents, I would think crude oil would be unlikely to explode/burn, how could several happen in a short time.. The pipeline last week was natural gas or LP gas, whichever report is correct..
Part right, but the fact remains, the pipe line ac... (show quote)


One of Buffets primary sources of income is from shipping oil from oil fields to refineries. You can google it. I assume, only assume at this point, that he may also own the tank cars, in addition to being heavily involved with the rail lines.
Google Berkshire Industries or Warren Buffet.

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Feb 2, 2014 00:56:19   #
MrEd Loc: Georgia
 
It may be that the oil from the pipe line goes out of the country, but what about the oil rigs that Obama shut down in the Gulf and all those oil drilling permits that are still not signed. He has single handed cut down on the oil we have that can be drilled and used by us and it has driven prices up and that is exactly what he wants. He has said that he wants the price of gas to go up to around $10.00 a gallon. So far he has not made it, but not from lack of trying.

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Feb 2, 2014 07:54:59   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
JFlorio wrote:
Were do you get your info. I've not seen any reports of pipeline spills in N Dakota, not even on MSNBC. Did someone trip carrying an oil can?



Number of sources, Try this link....www.foxnews.com/.../2013/.../oil-unwelcome-disc...&#8206;

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Feb 2, 2014 08:10:30   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
One of Buffets primary sources of income is from shipping oil from oil fields to refineries. You can google it. I assume, only assume at this point, that he may also own the tank cars, in addition to being heavily involved with the rail lines.
Google Berkshire Industries or Warren Buffet.


You are correct, his co, Birkshire Hathaway, jumped into tank cars in 2007 or so...Lot of sources on google as you said...

The United States will produce more oil than it ever has this year, and it all has to go somewhere.

The privately owned Union Tank Car Company was formed in the late 1800s. Originally part of John D. Rockefeller’s Standard Oil Co. Inc., it was divested in the early 1900s.

In 2007, Warren Buffet’s Berkshire Hathaway Inc. (NYSE:BRK.A) purchased 60 percent of Union Tank’s parent company, Marmon Holdings Inc.

www.ibtimes.com/warren-buffett-carl-icah

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