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New lawsuit seeks to invalidate entire Obamacare law based on Constitution’s “Origination Clause”
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Apr 2, 2013 09:05:45   #
tombrady
 
According to a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report published in October 2007, the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 ...

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Apr 2, 2013 09:07:00   #
tombrady
 
According to a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 ...

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Apr 2, 2013 09:07:57   #
tombrady
 
The final bill will run at least $3.7 trillion and could reach as high as $4.4 trillion, according to the research project "Costs of War" by Brown University's Watson Institute for International Studies. (www.costsofwar.org)

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Apr 2, 2013 09:10:30   #
tombrady
 
The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will ultimately cost between $4 trillion and $6 trillion, with medical care and disability benefits weighing heavily for decades to come, according to a new analysis.

The bill to taxpayers so far has been $2 trillion, plus $260 billion in interest on the resulting debt. By comparison, the current federal budget is $3.8 trillion.

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Apr 2, 2013 10:45:21   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
tombrady wrote:
well im sure the 40,000 americans who die evry year because they cant get health insurance will disagree with you. if we cant spend 3 trillion on unfunded wars there must be a way we can afford obamacare


Do you understand there is a difference between access to health insurance and access to healthcare? In Canada everybody has health insurance, but thousands die each year waiting to get healthcare.

If you spend $200,000 on a house, then there must be a way you can afford a yacht, right?

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Apr 2, 2013 11:42:49   #
Jeanne Loc: N. Idaho
 
The obumacare package is unconstitutional and therefore should be illegal and it hurts more than it will help and it is an useless expense that will fail. Cutting the military in this day and age is insane, unless you want this country to fail. We are being pursecuted as Christians and as free white constitutionalists who want to save our great nation, which is The United States of America. Be proud of your country, help to save her and tell the government we don't want it and it's wrong and it's destorying this country. Do you want a one world government who is only concerned about their next dollar and who will suffer while they get it. Say no to Obumacare!

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Apr 2, 2013 12:37:07   #
stairman
 
the CBO is usually pretty close yet tommy wants to believe an academic....sheep are easily led

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Apr 2, 2013 12:38:51   #
Yankee Clipper
 
tombrady wrote:
well im sure the 40,000 americans who die evry year because they cant get health insurance will disagree with you. if we cant spend 3 trillion on unfunded wars there must be a way we can afford obamacare


Our health care system WAS the best in the world before the Marxist democrats decided we had a health care crisis. Then the dumb assed republicans agreed so as to not look mean and voila we have a phony health care crisis.

I owe no one health care and no one owes me health care. I purchase the best health care insurance I can afford, it will take care of most things, but there are things it doesn't cover and a limit on how much total can be spent on my care.

Catastrophic health care policies have always been available to everyone, I have had them too when I could not afford anything better. When I could not afford any kind of insurance, I went without. I had to negotiate with my doctors up front the amount of care they would provide and I had to provide as to how I would pay them for services rendered. Some times it took five or so years to pay off the doctor but he got paid and I got care. I never used an emergency room for care!

Obama will use Obama care to declare firearms a health hazard and will deny care to anyone possessing them. If you are too fat, good luck, it is nothing but a way of controlling the behavior of the citizenry of this country.

Where did you come up with the 40,000 number? Maybe they should have gone to the emergency room for care, where they can't be turned down. Care is available to almost everyone who knows how to work the system, and the Marxists/democrats have been teaching folks how to s**m the system for years.

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Apr 2, 2013 12:47:14   #
Yankee Clipper
 
tombrady wrote:
No worries your not capable of understanding how someone can care about someone but yourself


A little self-righteous are we? Tell you what you just spend all your wealth saving the world. Can't be done, but better you waste yours than you wasting both mine and yours at the same time.

Show me in the Constitution where it says I am responsible for anyone else's health care. Not there.

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Apr 2, 2013 12:54:39   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Jeanne wrote:
The obumacare package is unconstitutional and therefore should be illegal and it hurts more than it will help and it is an useless expense that will fail. Cutting the military in this day and age is insane, unless you want this country to fail. We are being pursecuted as Christians and as free white constitutionalists who want to save our great nation, which is The United States of America. Be proud of your country, help to save her and tell the government we don't want it and it's wrong and it's destorying this country. Do you want a one world government who is only concerned about their next dollar and who will suffer while they get it. Say no to Obumacare!
The obumacare package is unconstitutional and ther... (show quote)


I've been saying NO to Obamacare since the day Harry Reid and company said it was there, but they foisted it off on us, anyway. Today I heard that small businesses say they just can't afford to continue to supply healthcare so they are cutting working hours to stay below the place where they have to do so. If one has to provide his own healthcare but gets fewer hours at work I just don't understand how Obamacare is helping those who work for a living. I guess all of them have to go on the dole.

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Apr 2, 2013 13:05:39   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
oldroy wrote:
I've been saying NO to Obamacare since the day Harry Reid and company said it was there, but they foisted it off on us, anyway. Today I heard that small businesses say they just can't afford to continue to supply healthcare so they are cutting working hours to stay below the place where they have to do so. If one has to provide his own healthcare but gets fewer hours at work I just don't understand how Obamacare is helping those who work for a living. I guess all of them have to go on the dole.
I've been saying NO to Obamacare since the day Har... (show quote)


That is the point of Obamacare. The more people they make dependent on the govt, the more v**es for Dems.

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Apr 3, 2013 01:52:05   #
David Kuhns Loc: Centerville, OH
 
The Government needs to get out of the healthcare business. It will screw it up just like everything else it tries to run. The free market will do a much better job if government will just get out of the way.

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Apr 3, 2013 01:59:29   #
David Kuhns Loc: Centerville, OH
 
The Government needs to get out of the healthcare business. It will screw it up just like everything else it tries to run. The free market will do a much better job if government will just get out of the way.

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Apr 3, 2013 16:59:34   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
David Kuhns wrote:
The Government needs to get out of the healthcare business. It will screw it up just like everything else it tries to run. The free market will do a much better job if government will just get out of the way.


You are very right but have you stopped to think about why they wanted in that business so badly. Could it be that they wanted only to get as many people as possible dependent on government, as possible?

What they wanted was to be able to set up the "exchanges", wh**ever that is, and half the states have refused to do that so they will get to do it. Yes, they wanted Single Payer insurance that real left leaners howl about not getting and they will manage it inside of 5 years under Obamacare.

In actuality, the origination clause is certainly what should make this law unconstitutional since the damnable thing originated in the Senate and not the House. Of course, I am sure that it didn't even originate in the Senate since there was no debate or committee work done before Dirty Harry put the thing up for a v**e and passed it with only Democrat v**es.

Now how long before that new suit gets to and through the Supreme Court?

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Apr 3, 2013 17:49:21   #
David Kuhns Loc: Centerville, OH
 
You are right on every point. The Left wants single payer healthcare so they can control "We The People." It's really that simple. The motivation is purely for political power and they want to take the guns to secure that power. We can only hope that the new case gets to the Supreme Court sooner rather than later.

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