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Regarding A Free Press, from Thomas Jefferson
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Jun 1, 2017 14:44:10   #
dangerkitten061 Loc: Arizona
 
S. Maturin wrote:
Mr. Buttinsky, here: That posting looks like we just might be reading something from a newbie liberal or <gasp!> conservative. No kidding... what is stated is exacting reinforcement of what most of us know as t***h- trust no 'news' people... gather all the facts you can and make up your own mind.

That, as far as I can tell, constitutes one of the greatest differences between the liberals - today's liberals- and conservatives; Liberals trust no common folk and wish an all-powerful government to make ALL decisions, whereas republicans trust each other and want as little government influence/control as possible.
Mr. Buttinsky, here: That posting looks like we ju... (show quote)



Well slat, I include all of the media you mentioned as "somewhat BS to total BS", I don't watch any of it. I'm sure you probably don't agree with my source of news(Rush). Let the howling begin.....Anyway I know I can trust him to give it to me straight.

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Jun 1, 2017 15:13:06   #
S. Maturin
 
dangerkitten061 wrote:
Well slat, I include all of the media you mentioned as "somewhat BS to total BS", I don't watch any of it. I'm sure you probably don't agree with my source of news(Rush). Let the howling begin.....Anyway I know I can trust him to give it to me straight.


"I'm sure you probably don't agree with my source of news(Rush). Let the howling begin..." You're sure, are you?

Sure, and sure.. I'll bet you have not bothered to read anything but those very few things you've presented here. You could not be more wrong.. you could not come off more like a WA liberal.

BTW, was it RUSH you quoted? No, it was TIME, remember?

Who's 'slat'?

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Jun 1, 2017 15:14:36   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Nancy Gibbs, Editor of Time Magazine; February, 2017

During the campaign of 1800, an opposition newspaper warned that if Thomas Jefferson were elected President, "murder, robbery, rape, adultery and incest will be openly taught and practiced...the soil will soaked with blood, and the nation black with crimes." And still it was Jefferson who argued that that given the choice between "a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government," he wouldn't hesitate to choose the latter. Two hundred and forty years since the founding of the country, a free press remains democracy's k**ler app.

Nearly every President has found much to dislike in news coverage---Harry Truman referred to press clippings as "the day's poison"---but seldom have reporters been the target of such relentless hostility as we are seeing from the current administration. Barely a day in office, President Trump declared his "running war" with the media; top adviser Stephen Bannon calls the press "the opposition party" that should "keep its mouth shut," and Kellyanne Conway suggests that if journalism were a "real business," 20% of the media would have been fired for all the things they got wrong.

To demonize the press, to characterize it as not just mistaken but malign, is to lay the groundwork for repression. The American public came through a spirited, exhausting, d******e e******n season anything but repressed. An argument over the direction of the country, the focus of policy, the priorities and values that should guide us is alive in the streets and online and in the pages and screens of our media. That's as it should be. That argument makes us smarter and connects us to the government that serves in our name.

At a time when the media is ever more fractured and siloed, and much of it partisan on both sides, TIME is on the few remaining institutions that speaks to a broad and global audience. Our audience has never been bigger, and we are at our most effective when we welcome debate and discussion from all compass points. I know from my own inbox and social feeds that both praise and criticism of what we do come from left, right and points between, and that's where we live: at the center of a conversation that must be civil, rational and open-minded. We are committed to independent inquiry, defending the possibility of progress, holding the powerful to account and providing an arena where diverse voices and visions compete. Our purpose is not to tell people what to think; it is to help them decide what to think about.

The enemy in any democracy is not dissent, from either within or without. Dissent, in fact, is essential. The enemy is dishonesty, ignorance, indifference, intolerance. The ability to hold journalists accountable has never been greater, and we take legitimate criticism as a challenge to do better. Attempts to suppress, dismiss and control, on the other hand, we understand as exactly what Thomas Jefferson warned against.
Nancy Gibbs, Editor of Time Magazine; February, 20... (show quote)


There are legitimate complaints against today's "free press". For one, it isn't in any way "free", at least, where money is concerned. Uber wealthy type personnel, don't invest in news agencies or networks, if there's no money to be made. That being said, we still need the press for a number of reasons, the most important is it's ability to shine a spotlight on issues that would otherwise remain unknown.

Flint Michigan would probably be a dead town by now, if the press hadn't picked up the story about the poisoned water, because the Government failed at every level in keeping people safe. People in Government and industry can be extremely myopic, when it comes to covering their own asses, but when the press blows the cover off - the cockroaches are blinded by the light and can't escape.

I often accuse the press of sensationalizing things for ratings, exaggerating, picking and choosing the juiciest stories to run, ignoring far more important news, minimizing human tragedy, and compartmentalizing human interest stories. I also accuse the press of becoming Trumps patsy, allowing him to use the press to promote his lunacy, hatred, and delusions, because he knows they cannot make themselves stop reporting every fart, I mean tweet, thus muddying already murky waters.

Still, we need the press to keep at it, we just need them to reboot to an earlier, more honorable set of ethics, where they stick strictly to the bare t***h. They can editorialize in the editorial section, and stop doing it on prime time news.

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Jun 1, 2017 15:24:25   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
S. Maturin wrote:
"I'm sure you probably don't agree with my source of news(Rush). Let the howling begin..." You're sure, are you?

Sure, and sure.. I'll bet you have not bothered to read anything but those very few things you've presented here. You could not be more wrong.. you could not come off more like a WA liberal.

BTW, was it RUSH you quoted? No, it was TIME, remember?

Who's 'slat'?

That would be me...a moniker handed to me sometime ago, by who knows who.

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Jun 1, 2017 15:35:42   #
dangerkitten061 Loc: Arizona
 
S. Maturin wrote:
"I'm sure you probably don't agree with my source of news(Rush). Let the howling begin..." You're sure, are you?

Sure, and sure.. I'll bet you have not bothered to read anything but those very few things you've presented here. You could not be more wrong.. you could not come off more like a WA liberal.

BTW, was it RUSH you quoted? No, it was TIME, remember?

Who's 'slat'?



I was talking to slatten and what the hell are you talking about? I just got done saying that I got my news from rush limbaugh and you say i remind you of a liberal? That makes all the sense in the world, doesn't it?

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Jun 1, 2017 15:38:17   #
dangerkitten061 Loc: Arizona
 
dangerkitten061 wrote:
I was talking to slatten and what the hell are you talking about? I just got done saying that I got my news from rush limbaugh and you say i remind you of a liberal? That makes all the sense in the world, doesn't it?


Oh and by the way, I said earlier that Time is nothing but bs. What is your trip?

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Jun 1, 2017 15:58:28   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
dangerkitten061 wrote:
Oh and by the way, I said earlier that Time is nothing but bs. What is your trip?

I can't remember the last time I read TIME. I read this piece by Ms. Gibbs while waiting my turn for a haircut in the local barber shop. But, even if it is only a matter of her article amounting to "do as I say, not as I do," I found the article to be a good-un.

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Jun 1, 2017 16:35:17   #
S. Maturin
 
dangerkitten061 wrote:
I was talking to slatten and what the hell are you talking about? I just got done saying that I got my news from rush limbaugh and you say i remind you of a liberal? That makes all the sense in the world, doesn't it?


You were quoting me... you were replying to my comment. Look back at your post and you will see the cause for the confusion.

If you quote someone (post his/her comment in your reply) then that person will understand you to be addressing him or her.

So........


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Jun 1, 2017 16:57:24   #
dangerkitten061 Loc: Arizona
 
S. Maturin wrote:
You were quoting me... you were replying to my comment. Look back at your post and you will see the cause for the confusion.

If you quote someone (post his/her comment in your reply) then that person will understand you to be addressing him or her.

So........




Understood, thank you.

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Jun 2, 2017 05:44:57   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Freedom of the press (and other media) doesn't exempt them from criticism. I don't recall Donald Trump trying to close down newspapers as Lincoln did nor radio stations as FDR did.
I don't remember Donald


Unfortunately, this was posted before I finished. I was leading up to completing it with "...Trump trying to shut down any papers or stations." Also, the Kennedy adminstration toyed with the idea of using broadcasting licensure to stop critical stations.

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Jun 3, 2017 05:03:34   #
Chocura750
 
Your mentioning Kennedy reminded me how great the country was in those days.

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Jun 3, 2017 07:07:54   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Chocura750 wrote:
Your mentioning Kennedy reminded me how great the country was in those days.



It wasn't meant as a complimentary anecdote.

Kennedy was really an ineffective president but woun up being a pretty good one, mostly because he was ineffective.

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Jun 3, 2017 07:30:20   #
S. Maturin
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
It wasn't meant as a complimentary anecdote.

Kennedy was really an ineffective president but woun up being a pretty good one, mostly because he was ineffective.


"Kennedy was really an ineffective president but wound up being a pretty good one, mostly because he was ineffective." What a back-hander.

Brought that baseball giant, Yogi, to mind.

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Jun 10, 2017 17:34:41   #
vernon
 
slatten49 wrote:
The p**********l e******n of 1800 is considered one of, if not the most h**eful and vitriolic e******n campaigns in our nation's history. Clearly, politics has always been a dirty business.


No doubt it has.but after the campaign I think it changes to s******n .

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