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Jun 1, 2017 11:13:07   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Nancy Gibbs, Editor of Time Magazine; February, 2017

During the campaign of 1800, an opposition newspaper warned that if Thomas Jefferson were elected President, "murder, robbery, rape, adultery and incest will be openly taught and practiced...the soil will soaked with blood, and the nation black with crimes." And still it was Jefferson who argued that that given the choice between "a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government," he wouldn't hesitate to choose the latter. Two hundred and forty years since the founding of the country, a free press remains democracy's k**ler app.

Nearly every President has found much to dislike in news coverage---Harry Truman referred to press clippings as "the day's poison"---but seldom have reporters been the target of such relentless hostility as we are seeing from the current administration. Barely a day in office, President Trump declared his "running war" with the media; top adviser Stephen Bannon calls the press "the opposition party" that should "keep its mouth shut," and Kellyanne Conway suggests that if journalism were a "real business," 20% of the media would have been fired for all the things they got wrong.

To demonize the press, to characterize it as not just mistaken but malign, is to lay the groundwork for repression. The American public came through a spirited, exhausting, d******e e******n season anything but repressed. An argument over the direction of the country, the focus of policy, the priorities and values that should guide us is alive in the streets and online and in the pages and screens of our media. That's as it should be. That argument makes us smarter and connects us to the government that serves in our name.

At a time when the media is ever more fractured and siloed, and much of it partisan on both sides, TIME is on the few remaining institutions that speaks to a broad and global audience. Our audience has never been bigger, and we are at our most effective when we welcome debate and discussion from all compass points. I know from my own inbox and social feeds that both praise and criticism of what we do come from left, right and points between, and that's where we live: at the center of a conversation that must be civil, rational and open-minded. We are committed to independent inquiry, defending the possibility of progress, holding the powerful to account and providing an arena where diverse voices and visions compete. Our purpose is not to tell people what to think; it is to help them decide what to think about.

The enemy in any democracy is not dissent, from either within or without. Dissent, in fact, is essential. The enemy is dishonesty, ignorance, indifference, intolerance. The ability to hold journalists accountable has never been greater, and we take legitimate criticism as a challenge to do better. Attempts to suppress, dismiss and control, on the other hand, we understand as exactly what Thomas Jefferson warned against.

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Jun 1, 2017 11:25:05   #
S. Maturin
 
slatten49 wrote:
Nancy Gibbs, Editor of Time Magazine; February, 2017

During the campaign of 1800, an opposition newspaper warned that if Thomas Jefferson were elected President, "murder, robbery, rape, adultery and incest will be openly taught and practiced...the soil will soaked with blood, and the nation black with crimes." And still it was Jefferson who argued that that given the choice between "a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government," he wouldn't hesitate to choose the latter. Two hundred and forty years since the founding of the country, a free press remains democracy's k**ler app.

Nearly every President has found much to dislike in news coverage---Harry Truman referred to press clippings as "the day's poison"---but seldom have reporters been the target of such relentless hostility as we are seeing from the current administration. Barely a day in office, President Trump declared his "running war" with the media; top adviser Stephen Bannon calls the press "the opposition party" that should "keep its mouth shut," and Kellyanne Conway suggests that if journalism were a "real business," 20% of the media would have been fired for all the things they got wrong.

To demonize the press, to characterize it as not just mistaken but malign, is to lay the groundwork for repression. The American public came through a spirited, exhausting, d******e e******n season anything but repressed. An argument over the direction of the country, the focus of policy, the priorities and values that should guide us is alive in the streets and online and in the pages and screens of our media. That's as it should be. That argument makes us smarter and connects us to the government that serves in our name.

At a time when the media is ever more fractured and siloed, and much of it partisan on both sides, TIME is on the few remaining institutions that speaks to a broad and global audience. Our audience has never been bigger, and we are at our most effective when we welcome debate and discussion from all compass points. I know from my own inbox and social feeds that both praise and criticism of what we do come from left, right and points between, and that's where we live: at the center of a conversation that must be civil, rational and open-minded. We are committed to independent inquiry, defending the possibility of progress, holding the powerful to account and providing an arena where diverse voices and visions compete. Our purpose is not to tell people what to think; it is to help them decide what to think about.

The enemy in any democracy is not dissent, fro either within or without. Dissent, in fact, is essential. The enemy is dishonesty, ignorance, indifference, intolerance. The ability to hold journalists accountable has never been greater, and we take legitimate criticism as a challenge to do better. Attempts suppress, dismiss and control, on the other hand, we understand as exactly what Thomas Jefferson warned against.
Nancy Gibbs, Editor of Time Magazine; February, 20... (show quote)


It is refreshing, sort of, to see that hyperbolic, irresponsible news reporting and WA prognostications are not recent inventions of the emotionally-driven wordsmiths.

As for TIME and the NYTIMES, I quit my subscriptions to them some time ago. I prefer to be presented facts and not being 'instructed' as to what I should think.

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Jun 1, 2017 11:29:26   #
vernon
 
slatten49 wrote:
Nancy Gibbs, Editor of Time Magazine; February, 2017

During the campaign of 1800, an opposition newspaper warned that if Thomas Jefferson were elected President, "murder, robbery, rape, adultery and incest will be openly taught and practiced...the soil will soaked with blood, and the nation black with crimes." And still it was Jefferson who argued that that given the choice between "a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government," he wouldn't hesitate to choose the latter. Two hundred and forty years since the founding of the country, a free press remains democracy's k**ler app.

Nearly every President has found much to dislike in news coverage---Harry Truman referred to press clippings as "the day's poison"---but seldom have reporters been the target of such relentless hostility as we are seeing from the current administration. Barely a day in office, President Trump declared his "running war" with the media; top adviser Stephen Bannon calls the press "the opposition party" that should "keep its mouth shut," and Kellyanne Conway suggests that if journalism were a "real business," 20% of the media would have been fired for all the things they got wrong.

























To demonize the press, to characterize it as not just mistaken but malign, is to lay the groundwork for repression. The American public came through a spirited, exhausting, d******e e******n season anything but repressed. An argument over the direction of the country, the focus of policy, the priorities and values that should guide us is alive in the streets and online and in the pages and screens of our media. That's as it should be. That argument makes us smarter and connects us to the government that serves in our name.

At a time when the media is ever more fractured and siloed, and much of it partisan on both sides, TIME is on the few remaining institutions that speaks to a broad and global audience. Our audience has never been bigger, and we are at our most effective when we welcome debate and discussion from all compass points. I know from my own inbox and social feeds that both praise and criticism of what we do come from left, right and points between, and that's where we live: at the center of a conversation that must be civil, rational and open-minded. We are committed to independent inquiry, defending the possibility of progress, holding the powerful to account and providing an arena where diverse voices and visions compete. Our purpose is not to tell people what to think; it is to help them decide what to think about.

The enemy in any democracy is not dissent, from either within or without. Dissent, in fact, is essential. The enemy is dishonesty, ignorance, indifference, intolerance. The ability to hold journalists accountable has never been greater, and we take legitimate criticism as a challenge to do better. Attempts to suppress, dismiss and control, on the other hand, we understand as exactly what Thomas Jefferson warned against.
Nancy Gibbs, Editor of Time Magazine; February, 20... (show quote)



I like your last paragraph, I think it covers most what is wrong with the msm today.
I don't think the 1st amendment gives the msm and anyone else the freedom to lie and deceive they should be held accountable.

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Jun 1, 2017 11:35:07   #
EL Loc: Massachusetts
 
Harry Truman was right. "The Day's poison".

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Jun 1, 2017 11:45:43   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
EL wrote:
Harry Truman was right. "The Day's poison".

My favorite quote attributed to Truman regarding the press is..."You can never get all the facts from just one newspaper, and unless you have all the facts, you cannot make proper judgements about what is going on." I would include all news sources, not just newspapers.

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Jun 1, 2017 11:48:22   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
vernon wrote:
I like your last paragraph, I think it covers most what is wrong with the msm today.
I don't think the 1st amendment gives the msm and anyone else the freedom to lie and deceive they should be held accountable.

I agree, Vernon, and would like to think that all would with regard to Ms. Gibb's last paragraph (or two) in her comments.

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Jun 1, 2017 11:50:56   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
S. Maturin wrote:
It is refreshing, sort of, to see that hyperbolic, irresponsible news reporting and WA prognostications are not recent inventions of the emotionally-driven wordsmiths.

As for TIME and the NYTIMES, I quit my subscriptions to them some time ago. I prefer to be presented facts and not being 'instructed' as to what I should think.

The p**********l e******n of 1800 is considered one of, if not the most h**eful and vitriolic e******n campaigns in our nation's history. Clearly, politics has always been a dirty business.

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Jun 1, 2017 12:11:23   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
S. Maturin wrote:
It is refreshing, sort of, to see that hyperbolic, irresponsible news reporting and WA prognostications are not recent inventions of the emotionally-driven wordsmiths.

As for TIME and the NYTIMES, I quit my subscriptions to them some time ago. I prefer to be presented facts and not being 'instructed' as to what I should think.

Well, regardless of what Ms. Gibbs writes at the end of her next-to-last paragraph, one is free to believe and think as they please. But, IMO, self-censorship is the worst kind. Not all of what any publication prints is factual, and some of what every publication prints may be non-factual, or at least biased. Reading as many perspectives as one can gives all a better over-all idea of what is to be taken as close to the t***h as possible. Too often, however, the 't***h' is taken as what one wants to believe.

BTW, what are "WA prognostications "

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Jun 1, 2017 12:20:45   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
slatten49 wrote:
Nancy Gibbs, Editor of Time Magazine; February, 2017

During the campaign of 1800, an opposition newspaper warned that if Thomas Jefferson were elected President, "murder, robbery, rape, adultery and incest will be openly taught and practiced...the soil will soaked with blood, and the nation black with crimes." And still it was Jefferson who argued that that given the choice between "a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government," he wouldn't hesitate to choose the latter. Two hundred and forty years since the founding of the country, a free press remains democracy's k**ler app.

Nearly every President has found much to dislike in news coverage---Harry Truman referred to press clippings as "the day's poison"---but seldom have reporters been the target of such relentless hostility as we are seeing from the current administration. Barely a day in office, President Trump declared his "running war" with the media; top adviser Stephen Bannon calls the press "the opposition party" that should "keep its mouth shut," and Kellyanne Conway suggests that if journalism were a "real business," 20% of the media would have been fired for all the things they got wrong.

To demonize the press, to characterize it as not just mistaken but malign, is to lay the groundwork for repression. The American public came through a spirited, exhausting, d******e e******n season anything but repressed. An argument over the direction of the country, the focus of policy, the priorities and values that should guide us is alive in the streets and online and in the pages and screens of our media. That's as it should be. That argument makes us smarter and connects us to the government that serves in our name.

At a time when the media is ever more fractured and siloed, and much of it partisan on both sides, TIME is on the few remaining institutions that speaks to a broad and global audience. Our audience has never been bigger, and we are at our most effective when we welcome debate and discussion from all compass points. I know from my own inbox and social feeds that both praise and criticism of what we do come from left, right and points between, and that's where we live: at the center of a conversation that must be civil, rational and open-minded. We are committed to independent inquiry, defending the possibility of progress, holding the powerful to account and providing an arena where diverse voices and visions compete. Our purpose is not to tell people what to think; it is to help them decide what to think about.

The enemy in any democracy is not dissent, from either within or without. Dissent, in fact, is essential. The enemy is dishonesty, ignorance, indifference, intolerance. The ability to hold journalists accountable has never been greater, and we take legitimate criticism as a challenge to do better. Attempts to suppress, dismiss and control, on the other hand, we understand as exactly what Thomas Jefferson warned against.
Nancy Gibbs, Editor of Time Magazine; February, 20... (show quote)



Freedom of the press (and other media) doesn't exempt them from criticism. I don't recall Donald Trump trying to close down newspapers as Lincoln did nor radio stations as FDR did.
I don't remember Donald

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Jun 1, 2017 12:40:25   #
dangerkitten061 Loc: Arizona
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
Freedom of the press (and other media) doesn't exempt them from criticism. I don't recall Donald Trump trying to close down newspapers as Lincoln did nor radio stations as FDR did.
I don't remember Donald



I have never seen more dishonest people in my life. The alphabet media sucks, and Time magazine is no better.

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Jun 1, 2017 12:58:58   #
S. Maturin
 
slatten49 wrote:
Well, regardless of what Ms. Gibbs writes at the end of her next-to-last paragraph, one is free to believe and think as they please. But, IMO, self-censorship is the worst kind. Not all of what any publication prints is factual, and some of what every publication prints may be non-factual, or at least biased. Reading as many perspectives as one can gives all a better over-all idea of what is to be taken as close to the t***h as possible. Too often, however, the 't***h' is taken as what one wants to believe.

BTW, what are "WA prognostications "
Well, regardless of what Ms. Gibbs writes at the e... (show quote)


'WA'= Wild-Ass.. far-out assumptions, crazy-as-hell predictions. The most recent probably could be those put forth by democrats saying WA stuff like colleges, communities, etc. turning into "Wild West shootouts" with dead littering the streets, dorms, etc., etc., if citizens are allowed concealed carry.

Another example of WA prognostications is the democrats screaming 'MILLIONS WILL DIE!' if Obama care, the pathway to single-payer is replaced by something that works.

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Jun 1, 2017 13:06:09   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
S. Maturin wrote:
'WA'= Wild-Ass.. far-out assumptions, crazy-as-hell predictions. The most recent probably could be those put forth by democrats saying WA stuff like colleges, communities, etc. turning into "Wild West shootouts" with dead littering the streets, dorms, etc., etc., if citizens are allowed concealed carry.

Another example of WA prognostications is the democrats screaming 'MILLIONS WILL DIE!' if Obama care, the pathway to single-payer is replaced by something that works.


"Wild Ass," huh Well, I've certainly heard the term, but never abbreviated as "WA." Thanks, Maturin.

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Jun 1, 2017 13:10:05   #
S. Maturin
 
slatten49 wrote:
"Wild Ass," huh Well, I've certainly heard the term, but never abbreviated as "WA." Thanks, Maturin.




I'm for some cyber abbreviations & saving electrons from needless travel.

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Jun 1, 2017 13:11:48   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
dangerkitten061 wrote:
I have never seen more dishonest people in my life. The alphabet media sucks, and Time magazine is no better.

I wouldn't necessarily argue with you, Dangerkitten061, but would also include Breitbart, InfoWars, WND, etc., and assume you include FOX NEWS within the category of "alphabet media." F**e news and alternative facts run rampant across the board of 'news' media as well as publications.

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Jun 1, 2017 13:22:43   #
S. Maturin
 
slatten49 wrote:
I wouldn't necessarily argue with you, Dangerkitten061, but would also include Breitbart, InfoWars, WND, etc., and assume you include FOX NEWS within the category of "alphabet media." F**e news and alternative facts run rampant across the board of 'news' media as well as publications.


Mr. Buttinsky, here: That posting looks like we just might be reading something from a newbie liberal or <gasp!> conservative. No kidding... what is stated is exacting reinforcement of what most of us know as t***h- trust no 'news' people... gather all the facts you can and make up your own mind.

That, as far as I can tell, constitutes one of the greatest differences between the liberals - today's liberals- and conservatives; Liberals trust no common folk and wish an all-powerful government to make ALL decisions, whereas republicans trust each other and want as little government influence/control as possible.

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