lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

So in effect you are a supporter of the single payer program which is what this government wants and is g***ming us for anyway..

New Zealand is no where near the size of America.. What works well there does not mean it would here.. Just the variance in population of the USA would make it cost prohibitive...

New Zealand government sponsored insurance comes from the taxes of the its citizens.... So it is not free or a "right".. Anything over 70k is taxed at 33% and up to 14k its 10.5%, in between its average is 27%...As are businesses taxed at a flat rate of 27%...No doubt New Zealand has a budget surplus with its small based populace they are doing very well in their near Socialist format..

Just my humble opinion here but I do believe we are headed to a single payer plan.. The obstacle is most likely from the insurance industry that doesn't want profits impacted.. Nor do they want government rules and regulation..

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Sorry to read of your incident.. Horrific to say the least...

Why do you feel you would lose benefits ?? We do not yet know what the new plan will cover..From what just came out it's another that will not be passed nor should it be.. But even if the one now was passed how would it impact you?? I assume you have been declared 100% disabled to be on SSDI?? This is why I'm asking .. If too personal please do not reply, that is not my intent..I wanted to apply your situation to the little known in the new plan, which is garbage and needs to be shot down too..

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Linddajoy, you just made the point that needs made. No one needs act like chicken little yet. The Republicans are doofuses but they are not stupid enough to throw millions of disabled off benefits. Especially before an e******n. Likewise the lying Democrats would demonize any plan from Republicans even if it doubled benefits.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Great reply J, before having gotten here in my reading I asked a few questions as to why she thought she would lose too.. More so to try and give her a little peace in all this garbage coming out about is being stripped from it.. I haven't seen anything either ...

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I like information from Heritage because they have no reason to skew the numbers..
Just another for comparison.. I wonder if Eden even lived in the US given her challenge.. Surely she would know these numbers are over the top??? Anyway:

https://amac.us/illegal-immigration-cost-1/

Also read another that put costs of 57billion up annually if just lookin for totals..

Nothing cheap about immigration costs, eh??? Staggering indeed.. So much do we have spent ourselves into near bankruptcy..While our debt sits at 20trillion...

America First!!!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Trump may not be perfect but he is for this country whether you believe it or not.. He has also done a very good job given the strong opposition he has faced and will face from the progressive G*******t that have their own agenda in mind...

Plenty Trump doesn't know and will learn in time..he appointed an excellent Supreme Court justice and will likely appoint more.. Against the grain ore liberals he had significantly reduced the number of i******s coming across the borders which will help tremendously in the future costs that will also be saved in healthcare expenditures... The domino effect for such, right along with social programs for the i******s will ultimately help our bottom line payouts we can then use to feminist this staggering 20 trillion dollar debt..

Finally, unlike BO that just put out his Socialistic healthcare Trump has opened it up to discussion by disclosing beforehand the key issues in it.. They have actually read it and put it before open discussion on Criminal Hill and to We the People.. Far more than we got with the previous administration.. You were just told here it is...

What angers me is they tried repealing BO Care for years yet had no alternative already drafted ??? That is simply callous and very poor planning!!!!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

With this I agree, they should have already had rough drafts of replacement ready.. And I'm not talking Ryan's screwed up plan he put forth either..

In reality it should not have been messed with at all, by forcing it on the people, although that is governments answer to everything..

They should have hit the fraudulent enterprise in healthcare..But to do that they would have had to hit those on Criminal Hill responsibile for Medicare/Medicaid-and lost those big slush funds they leave in place for their personal use!!!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Well said!!!! So very true, J!!!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I made a single statement relative to why hospitals have to treat everyone coming in..That was because Reagan made it law, not because it's a right or because that hospital is so concerned they are going to voluntarily help us..

I made no statement about ER other than as stated about why hospitals treat..You impugn facts not presented..

Preventative healthcare is what you're actually talking about here..It was not part of your dialogue when I replied..

Likewise I assume you know since health insurance became a routine benefit of employment, amazingly the insurance companies did not often cover preventative exams or tests...Over time, more insurers have begun offering a smattering of preventive coverage... But, to the insured, it was frequently very expensive until the insured reached the plan deductible...Once again, preventive health was on the back burner.. it was typically denied when a person was treating preventable for something..

For the uninsured and limited funds they simply did not treat until as you said it became an emergency.. Under BO care any service rendered was covered and the influx of people who never treated started treatment..An unexpected barrage of people not anticipated and look what happened...Another reason premiums increased over the years..

I think preventive care is well worth paying attention to but even now I suspect it will not be covered just as it wasn't before??? I don't know, not much has been said about it..

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Thank You for your compliment and clarification that I did not say I didn't want people covered.. What I did say is the people to which Emily and Eden refer to are and were covered even before BO care came into the mix..

Therefore the people they are speaking of is we, the workers that pay through our taxes anyway..

Forcing us to have a socialist agenda to Insurance is not the answer unless of course as You point out we want to give up our privacy, our right of choice and our ability to not be forced into anything, period.. We loose more of our individual rights with each law they make in the name of terrorism as it is..

Insurance is not a government issue.. Nor do I want a government entity determining my course of treatment on anything..As we saw in BO Care, diagnostic studies suddenly became curtailed and Drs and patients had to go the lessor route of treatment because the insurance people, not Drs said it wasn't needed "yet"... So they pay for that and when not healed or the situation magnified to an emergency then they authorized anything needed..

Follow the money trial and you see the reality of what is really going on.. The insurance industry rules....

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Not to give the Republicans a break, they deserve bashing. Obamacare was so unpopular, at first, all they had to do was promise repeal. Most, me included, then thought our health insurance would go back to what we once had. Ah, but Obama and the Democrats knew, create a new entitlement and give millions a benefit they don't have to pay for and there will be hell to pay if you attempt to take it away. Whether it is unsustainable or unfair to the people actually paying for their own and someone else's. Never underestimate the greed of the takers.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

You are obligated to your children because you chose to have them.. Really, did you need that said???

What about our Nation?? If people took care of themselves and were responsible to their obligation in life there wouldn't even be this discussion going on...

And please don't put supposition in to something I didn't even say.. Those people in the nation that need medical care for wh**ever reason have avenues of treatment already in place.. Medicaid is there if out of work or hospitalized for a catastrophic condition etc .. So are many funding source through charitable organizations or donors.. They are not simply thrown away..

I do volunteer work at the women's shelter, helping young ladies or some in their 30S etc that have children too in filling out forms for child support or court ordered programs they need to apply to etc.. I know first hand their lack of concern for anything other than being sure their food stamp, housing and cash allowance forms are done..They go to the hospital for emergency care and stops right there too.. Girls with babies that get Care through Medicaid benefits don't even take their babies in for follow up Care or immunity shots etc..Too much that could be said here and it really has no relevance to your " right" question..

What I feel about anything is not ruled by a party affiliation as I do not support either, nor is there a party forum other than web the people vs Criminal hilll.. There's your party..

I stand for the right of the people in choice, not government intervention and that is what I have said throughout my posts.. I made no individual comment of People at all...I addressed the topic..

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Thank You and yes, the minute something is out for discussion the dems do demonize and in fact lie about what is there..But lololo on how you put it..

No one is going v**e to take away benefits simply because it is e******n cycle and they know we are watching listening and letting them no it's garbage!!

They will change it but just like preexisting it will be opted out for companies if they do wh**ever in qualifiers but they will still an option for people to stay covered.. It won't impact those on Medicaid they still get their coverage or Vets who still get treatment regardless.. Also some of the things reduced are over a10 year period or don't go into effect until 2020, another e******n cycle...

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I agree and did already say the republicans slacked off too .... And what they have right now is no better and I hope gets kicked down again!!!

They need to stop letting the insurance companies dictate and do it on their own with then directives to the insurance companies. Problem with that is the insurance industry is a heavy hitter in lobbying control and can just say ok, we won't play at all.. That leaves whoever is manning this to go back to the ins companies and say you won't write this, then you write none and bam that one payer government policy will rule and everyone is screwed over..