EmilyStrode

Preventative healthcare!!!!!! Get it, please. Access to healthcare helps to prevent the need for emergency care and all the indignities and complications that come from waiting for that moment. And such treatment is very expensive. Emergency care when you are near death is a passable pass the buck answer. Diseases and conditions that cause all sorts of complications are not cured in the emergency room: they are treated because they did not have proper care to begin with. "Hey, we let your kidneys fail from lack of access to medical care and now you will need dialysis for the rest of your life but smile we have the machines right here to add hundreds of thousands to the medicare or medicaid deficit. Or just a loss by the hospital."

Are you freaking nuts? Aarrgghh! You guys are unreal in your density to accepting reality. By the time many are forced to the emergency their conditions have either incapacitated them or severely damaged them, meaning more expensive medical procedures or care. If they live! Should they shout "Yiiipppiiiee" at being condemned to such "ignominy."

I will put it down to ignorance or otherwise I would have to say this post and your stance, and Ronald Reagan, are totally inhumane.

EmilyStrode

Totally false premise, wholly illogical.

EmilyStrode

Why are we "obligated" to our children? They don't work. I do and hard, why should I care? My infant shows zero appreciation for what I do, totally takes me for granted. Aarrgghh. I expected way better from you. Obligation is, of course, a state of mind. It comes naturally under a number of circumstances, as with our children. What about to our nation? Most Americans feel that pull. Perhaps not naturally for all but almost as strongly. And to the people next door? Too often it depends. What makes for an "obligation"? The heart, that's it. If you feel that all those Americans, fellow citizens, suffering from various diseases and conditions are of no concern, then you have no obligation. If you feel the same about those unfortunate citizens that are poor, elderly, or disabled, you have no obligation. If you feel that the rich need another tax break at the cost of these people, then, as a Republican, you are obligated to do so.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

You must live in a bubble. I worked with at risk families in Ohio that were on the Ohio health care system (Medicaid and local), everything was free to them. You couldn't d**g nine out of ten of these people to the doctor for a checkup. A great majority smoked and drank. Only time they went to the doctor was when they had a catastrophic event. The only people I saw that were diligent were the working poor. They at least took their kid s in regularly. Most of them also smoked and drank. You tell me again how we can grant a human right to someone who doesn't care about their own health. You liberals crack me up. It's easy to say healthcare's a human right and therefore I am a charitable person. Just because people like lindajoy(who is a wonderful person) don't think healthcare is a right granted by the Constitution doesn't mean they don't want people covered. It means we can't find anywhere in the Constitution that specifically grants that right. Does saying healthcare is a human right bring down the cost? Does saying it create more doctors? Will saying healthcare is a right make people take responsibility for their personal choices? Besides saying healthcare is a human right, what's your solution? How would you cover everyone from cradle to grave and pay for it?

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

If it's as basic as you believe then how did our species survive without taxpayer supported healthcare for all of human history except for a thin sliver of it especially under our former Marxist black mamba president - may he burn forever. There has not been a single day in my 54 years of marriage that my family was not covered for health care. My responsibility not yours. I'm still waiting for an answer that the premeditated murder of 61 million unborn children is a health care issue for women and that my tax dollars illegally pay for it. Any nation that allows its women to murder their children is not a civilized nation, it is not a good nation and her people are not good compassionate people.

buffalo Loc: Texas

If health CARE is a privilege, then why do some get it for FREE, as if a right? If health CARE is NOT a right then what is the purpose of the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) passed in 1986 which requires hospital Emergency Departments that accept payments from Medicare to provide an appropriate medical screening examination (MSE) to individuals seeking treatment for a medical condition, regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay? There are no reimbursement provisions. Participating hospitals may not t***sfer or discharge patients needing emergency treatment except with the informed consent or stabilization of the patient or when their condition requires t***sfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

I get you. My entire point is calling healthcare a right doesn't fix the problems within the system.

buffalo Loc: Texas

I realize it doesn't. But I just think that those that do not think health CARE should be a right are being disingenuous and overlook the fact that there is a law that makes health CARE a right, whether one can afford it or not, while some have to treat it as a bankrupting privilege.

EmilyStrode

You are kidding, right? You want a child to cover their healthcare? Or an elderly person on a fixed income? Or the disabled? No way to talk reason with a person like, but let me add this: not a dime of your tax dollars went to a single a******n. Look it up.

CounterRevolutionary

Florio, of course you could not purchase it. Let's reason our way through this. If there was no auto insurance, would people be better drivers?

If one paid out his pocket for his own healthcare, then would people take better care of themselves? Even today, people who are out of work, out of money, or even homeless can walk into an ER room at any hospital and get free care.

Do we really want a unionized mafioso labor force in care of government healthcare? What if the government does not like you?

People should be able to shop across all state lines and pick up a good insurance plan for $50/month, and accompany it with a private Health Savings Account for small maladies. It's really simple. When the cost is so affordable, people will willingly purchase health insurance on their own, specifically tailored to their personal needs, no one size fits all, no employer or government necessary.

The only reason government wants to run healthcare is so that they can determine who lives and who dies.
Forced DNA testing, forced sterilizations, forced a******ns, forced euthanasia, all for the good of the state, financial expediency and compassion, of course.

CounterRevolutionary

It is real simple. Buffalo. We do not need 100 bureaucrats administering the purchase of a band-aid. The government is too cumbersome, too corrupt, and too spiteful to administer our healthcare.

Every civilized nation has a safety net for the truly handicapped or destitute poor. But those unfortunate people do not represent the majority of the people. The government, full of incompetence, crooks and c*******ts is too damnably corrupt! they are bankrupt financially and morally. They will be harvesting our body organs to pay down the national debt. Wake up and get real!

Molly2399 Loc: Ohio

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padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Not a dime to a******n? With the amount of kool aid you drink you must spend a lot of time on the WC. I want "responsible" parents taking care of their children's health care even if it means forfeiting a big flat screen TV and all the other electronic "necessities". I'm an elderly person on a fixed income and provided for the healthcare of my wife of 54 years because we were responsible and I was never wealthy in terms if money but fabulously wealthy in blessings and accepting responsibility as a father and husband.

E

I'm sorry about your personal problem with Medical care. You are right, you are but 1 in 330,000,000. Unfortunately we can't make everything perfect for everyone. If you remember in my posting, I didn't advocate for either program. They are both very flawed. I submitted a plan to Speaker Ryan on how to more favorably come to a more equitable plan. Unfortunately, writing to Congress gets lost in the shuffle. I wish you well.

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lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Seeing it as a basic human right from a humanitarian approach is different than saying it is a "right of the people" ...

Under the humanitarian approach I believe we do have an obligation to insure our elderly, vets, children, disabled, have the ability to be treated.. We do provide for them with Medicaid/Medicare/VA benefits now and have for sometime.. Medicare is paid for from our own money, with fed funding so that is a right because we pay for it.. It's not an entitlement for the very same reason, right??

Vets get treatment as part of their service and believe me they paid for it.. Medicaid is taxed and government sponsored to handle those without any means to pay for a multitude of reasons..
So we are taking care of them...

I'm now a little perplexed in your reply that anyone would object to healthcare as a basic human right...

We do not object to these identified people and we do already provide for their needs, so why the question, other than you are really saying everyone is entitled to care.. We are entitled to care, it's just not a "right"...it is our responsibility to provide to ourselves, our needs..it is not my responsibility to provide for your "needs " or your responsibility to provide for my "needs"...This is where we differ..

And as I read more I may have to amend my post ..