Someone has taught you wrongly!

Jesus came to save all those who rejected, ie., denied God. He even suffered death to be raised, to prove His point.

I will try to convince doubter as long as God gives me breath.



Absolutely - but our job as priests in a sincursed world, is to pray for the ungodly, for why would we want to keep God to ourselves?

Jesus wept for me. How can I not weep for Her, and Him, and Them?

Hard Work was The Donald's part.

Hard Prayer was the Voter's part.

The Donald's election was God's part.

Neither "Friday" nor "good Friday" are found in scripture.



Hebrew Messiah; English Anointed; Greek Xristos.
Psalm 132:17 There will I make the horn of David to bud: I have ordained a lamp for mine [xristw] anointed.
cristw = dative masculine singular adjective form of Xristos = Christ = literally "the Anointed One" - equivalent to the Hebrew Messiah)

Luke 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's [Xriston] Christ.

Xriston = noun accusative masculine singular form of noun Xristos = Christ literally "the Anointed One" - equivalent to the Hebrew Messiah

Luke 9:18 And it came to pass, as he was alone praying, his disciples were with him: and he asked them, saying, Whom say the people that I am?19 They answering said, John the Baptist; but some say, Elias; and others say, that one of the old prophets is risen again.20 He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, [Ton Xriston tou Theou] The Christ of God.

Xriston noun accusative masculine singingular form of noun Xristos = Christ = literally "the Anointed One" equivalent to the Hebrew Messiah)



The Jews had no choice. They were captives of Rome. That is why they turned Jesus over to the Romans for execution. And the Romans crucified criminals.

Actually we call God perfect because scripture says "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."[Mat 5:48]

But MEN have a doctrine about the immaculate conception of Mary, in order to interrupt the doctrine of Original sin between Man and Jesus' birth.

Do you mean for us to understand there are some doctrines of Men you do NOT believe?

Maybe there is hope on the horizon.

Actually it "assumes" children. We know there were no children becasye the entire household was baptized, and baptism is NOT for children.



We know from scripture sprinkling and pouring are NOT baptism. But Men being Men, they will play around with God's word.



Because a child cannot rule its own life, it is subject to its parents. THAT is the age of accountability determined by scripture.



Another man-made doctrine.



All Scriptural knowledge is found in scripture.

Did you miss that part about the scapegoat? Go back and read it again. It totally wiped out your assertion that no created being could suffice as sacrifice for sin.

So Jesus did not mention God in THIS passage. But dear sir, THIS PASSAGE does not include all there is about the issue.

Consider - John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: 2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Do you see the source of Eternal life in THIS passage? The Father GAVE that power to Jesus to give eternal life to as many as God gave him.

Consider, it is inconceivable that all people are kcstargoat; the most reasonable conclusion is, no person therefore is kcstargoat.

mmm... No!

THAT is truly SAD!

Did you not know, it was the patristics who used the Heretical argument that the "Phoenix" - that ancient mythical bird from Egypt, is God's example of the Resurrection:


[Apostolic Fathers Vol.III - p.554]
[The Writings Of [color=blue]Tertullian[/color] (a.d.145-220); On The Resurrection Of The Flesh]

Chap.XIII From our author's view of a verse in the ninety second Psalm,[verse twelve, which references the "phoinix" which is a Palm Tree.] the phoenix is made a symbol of the resurrection of our bodies.

If however, all nature but faintly figures our resurrection; if creation affords no sign precisely like it


[Apostolic Fathers Vol.I - p.12]
[The First Epistle Of [color=darkgreen]Clement[/color] (a.d.100-200) To The Corinthians]

"Let us consider that wonderful sign [of the resurrection] which takes place in Eastern lands, that is in Arabia and the countries round about."

"There is a certain bird which is called a Phoenix. This is the only one of its kind, and lives five hundred years. And when the time of its dissolution draws near that it must die, it builds itself a nest of frankincense, and myrrh, and other spices, into which, when the time is fulfilled, it enters and dies."

"But, as the flesh decays, a certain kind of worm is produced, which, being nourished by the juices of the dead bird, brings forth feathers."

"Then, when it has aquired strength, it takes up that nest in which are the bones of its parent, and bearing these it passes from the land of Arabia into Egypt, to the city called Heliopolis."

"And in open day, flying in the sight of all men, it places them on the altar of the sun, and having done this, hastens back to its former abode."

"The priests then inspect the registers of the dates, and find that it has returned exactly as the five hundredth year was completed."

"Do we then deem it any great and wonderful thing for the maker of all things to raise up again those that have piously served him in that assurance of faith, when even by a bird, he shows us the mightiness of his power to fulfill his promise?"

Both of these ancient SCHOLARS read the old testament reference to the Palm Tree, which in the Greek, is -

foinikwn = genitive masculine plural form of noun Foinix Phoenix = palm-tree; palm branch
Exodus 15:27 And they came to Elim, where were twelve wells of water, and threescore and ten [foinikwn] palm trees: and they encamped there by the waters.

John 12:13 Took branches of [foinikwn] palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
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foinix = nominative masculine singular form of noun Foinix Phoenix palm-tree; palm branch
Psalm 92:12 The righteous shall flourish like the [foinix] palm tree: he shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon.

foinikes = nominative masculine plural form of noun Foinix Phoenix palm-tree; palm branch
Ezekiel 41:18 And it was made with cherubims and [foinikes] palm trees, so that a palm tree was between a cherub and a cherub; and every cherub had two faces;

Why would I consult them on anything having to do with scripture?

When you rely upon the Early Church Fathers for understanding, you are reading books ABOUT the scripture, you are not reading the SCRIPTURES.

Miss padre Mike doesn't know what she is talking about.

Agreed. I am demonstrating that there is not just one "Doctrine of Original Sin." You are correct in that Calvinism is just one of many offerings as to doctrines of Men. Another is the doctrines of Catholicism. Even Baptist churches have their own version. It seems to be universal in scope, in that "everyone knows" is the standard that replaces "So saith the Scriptures."

ENOCH did NOT die -

KJV Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should NOT see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

KJV Genesis 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

KJV Genesis 4:18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.

KJV Genesis 5:18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:

KJV Genesis 5:19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

KJV Genesis 5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:

KJV Genesis 5:22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

KJV Genesis 5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:

KJV Genesis 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

KJV Luke 3:37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,

KJV Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

KJV Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

[quote=Mr Bombastic] He is one of the two witnesses, in Revelation. They are both killed, and left where they died, for three days. They are then resurrected on the third day.

Please indicate which verse tells you the death of Enoch was even mentioned in Revelation.



Ahh! So you do not know the BIBLE DOCTRINE of sin; that there are two categories of sin; and that only one category causes death; AND that Enoch and Jesus of Nazareth both were guilty of the second category; i.e., the sin "NOT UNTO DEATH."

Watch as the bible doctrine of "Sin not unto death" unfolds -
"THIS MAN OFFERED UP SACRIFICE, FIRST FOR HIS OWN SINS, AND THEN FOR THE PEOPLE'S"
Heb 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens; 27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Our High Priest offered Himself "First, for His own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Jesus did once, what the priests of Aaron did daily.

"ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS IS SIN; NOT ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS IS DEATH"
1 John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

"TEMPTED LIKE WE"
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

TEMPTATIONS COMMON TO ALL
1 Cor 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own [Epithumias] lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
[Epithumias = gen fem sing form of noun Epithumia desire, longing; lust, passion]

Luke 22:15 And he said unto them, With [1][Epithumia] desire I [2][Epethumhsa] have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

[1][Epithumia = dat fem sing form of noun Epithumia, desire, longing; lust, passion]

[2][Epethumhsa = ind aor act 1st per sing form of verb Epithumew long for, desire; covet; lust for]

Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to [Epithumhsai] lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
[Epithumhsai = inf aor act acc form of verb Epithumew long for, desire; covet; lust for]

When God says Jesus "had no sin" or "did not know sin" it is a testimony to the fact he had no "sin unto death." Hebrews 7:27 makes that clear to anyone untainted by doctrines of Men.

Even you understand "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

All have sinned, within the trwo categories, about which God saw fit to reveal to us for a reason - to separate the seekers of truth from the tellers of tales.

First of all, I do not "twist" scripture. And if you find it "Twisted" please feel free to untwist it and tell us what it really says.

1) WHAT WAS THOMAS TOLD TO EXPECT?
Thomas could well remember Jesus own words - "From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day." [Mat 16:21]

"be raised" is aorist PASSIVE, which means he did not raise himself. Do you really think Thomas did not hear this?

"And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:23 And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.[Mat 17:22-23]

This time, "be raised" is "future PASSIVE." Both times the reference is to a passive action, indicating Jesus will not raise himself.

"And it came to pass, as he was alone praying, his disciples were with him: and he asked them, saying, Whom say the people that I am? 19 They answering said, John the Baptist; but some say, Elias; and others say, that one of the old prophets is risen again. 20 He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God. 21 And he straitly charged them, and commanded them to tell no man that thing; Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day." [Luke 9:18-22]

"Be raised" is "aorist PASSIVE" in this verse. Three times Thomas has heard this testimony, and seen it in action at least once in the case of Lazarus, Besides the times he saw Jesus raising the dead, and when Thomas himself was involved in the same type of miracle.

2) WHAT WAS THOMAS TOLD TO DO?
"And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. 5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, "Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, RAISE THE DEAD, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give." [Mat 10:1-8]

AND WHAT DID THOMAS REPORT AFTER HIS ADVENTURE IN MIRACLES?
"And THE APOSTLES gathered themselves together unto Jesus, and TOLD HIM all things, both WHAT THEY HAD DONE, and what they had taught.31 And he said unto them, Come ye yourselves apart into a desert place, and rest a while: for there were many coming and going, and they had no leisure so much as to eat. 32 And they departed into a desert place by ship privately." [Mark 6:30-32]

Thomas had sufficient memory to remember that when Lazarus was raised by God at Jesus' request, it was Jesus who raised him but it was God behind the deed. THIS IS WHAT THOMAS REMEMBERED.

John 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. 15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.

3) WAS THOMAS PRESENT AT THIS EVENT?
16 Then said Thomas, which is called Didymus, unto his fellow disciples, Let us also go, that we may die with him. 17 Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the grave four days already. 18 Now Bethany was nigh unto Jerusalem, about fifteen furlongs off: 19 And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them concerning their brother. 20 Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met him: but Mary sat still in the house.

4) WHAT DID THOMAS WITNESS?
21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.

23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that THOU ART THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD, which should come into the world.

28 And when she had so said, she went her way, and called Mary her sister secretly, saying, The Master is come, and calleth for thee. 29 As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly, and came unto him. 30 Now Jesus was not yet come into the town, but was in that place where Martha met him. 31 The Jews then which were with her in the house, and comforted her, when they saw Mary, that she rose up hastily and went out, followed her, saying, She goeth unto the grave to weep there. 32 Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she fell down at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled, 34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see. 35 Jesus wept. 36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him! 37 And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died? 38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it. 39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.

40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God? 41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, FATHER, I THANK THEE that thou hast heard me. 42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me. 43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.

5) WHAT DID THOMAS SEE?
44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

6) WHAT DID THOMAS REMEMBER?
Thomas was a participant in the most amazing sequence of events in history. And he himself raised the dead. And he was a testimony witness to what Jesus said about his own resurrection. And three times it is recorded that Jesus used the passive verb to describe what is soon to take place. Yes, Thomas remembered alright. Only it was not soon to be released revelation he remembered, but recent events experienced.

The apostles testified "We have seen the Lord."[John 20:25] None of them said "God is risen." Thomas already KNEW it was God who would raise Jesus from the dead. "And it came to pass, as he was alone praying, his disciples were with him: and he asked them, saying, Whom say the people that I am? 19 They answering said, John the Baptist; but some say, Elias; and others say, that one of the old prophets is risen again. 20 He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God. 21 And he straitly charged them, and commanded them to tell no man that thing; 22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day." [Luke 9:18-22]

So Thomas, upon seeing resurrected Christ made the only connection he could between what he saw and what he had already been told to expect; God working a miracle to raise Thomas' Lord.

Did John, in writing his account, correct Thomas's assessment? No! In fact John concurs with this exegesis. "And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." [John 20:30-31]

Did Thomas believe Jesus was God? No. He knew he himself had only recently been involved in raising the dead. He saw God behind the deed. And he saw his resurrected Lord. AS DID THEY ALL.

"And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord. 21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained. 24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

As for "Jesus did not correct him" -"be not faithless, but believing" is not exactly a commendation.

And all of this is undone by Doctrinaires who proclaim loud and long "Thomas called Jesus God." It is so wrong to treat pages of scripture as though it can be undone by quoting one verse, while leaving the pages behind in ignorance.

THAT is NOT the doctrine of Original Sin.

The doctrine of Original Sin tells us that all Humans are born with the sin of Adam upon our soul, causing us to be Totally depraved and dependent upon God's grace even to be able to repent.

Doctrinaires of Original Sin fail to explain how it is Adam who is called the original sinner, when it was Eve who first ate of the forbidden fruit, and who then passed the temptation on to Adam in the form of forbidden fruit and confession of her predicament, and He did eat.

Furthermore, they fail to deal with Enoch, seventh in the geneology of Man, who did not pay the penalty for sin, (death) for
God took him because he had this testimony "He pleased God." God translated Enoch that he should NOT taste death.

Then there are the Scriptures -

Deut 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the
children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

2 Kings 14:6 But the children of the murderers he slew not: according unto that which is written in the book of the law of Moses, wherein the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

2 Chro 25:3 Now it came to pass, when the kingdom was established to him, that he slew his servants that had killed the king his father. 4 But he slew not their children, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin.

Ezek 18:1 The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying, 2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? 3 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. 4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
5 But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right, 6 And hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour's wife, neither hath come near to a menstruous woman, 7 And hath not oppressed any, but hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by
violence, hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment;
8 He that hath not given forth upon usury, neither hath taken any increase, that hath withdrawn his hand from iniquity, hath executed true judgment between man and man,
9 Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord GOD.

10 If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things, 11 And that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbour's wife,12 Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge,and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination, 13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.

14 Now, lo, if he beget a son, that seeth all his father's sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like, 15 That hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, hath not defiled his neighbour's wife, 16 Neither hath oppressed any, hath not withholden the pledge, neither hath spoiled by violence, but hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment, 17 That hath taken off his hand from the poor, that hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live.

18 As for his father, because he cruelly oppressed, spoiled his brother by violence, and did that which is not good among his people, lo, even he shall die in his iniquity. 19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done
that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live. 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes,
and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his
righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he
should return from his ways, and live?
24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and
doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his
righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed,
and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way
equal? are not your ways unequal?
26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth
in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and
doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed,
he shall surely live, he shall not die.
29 Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my
ways equal? are not your ways unequal?
30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord
GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
{yourselves: or, others}
31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a
new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn
yourselves, and live ye. {yourselves: or, others}


Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, color=red]these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:[/color] 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.



Totally bogus argument from what the scriptures do NOT say. "All have sinned" is not the same as "All have SIN."

We all have sin because we all have sinned.



Nope! Again, in the light of that nonsense, explain Enoch.

Can't be did.