Awkward subject to post, but RT (Russia Today) references in pro-Russian Ukraine topic postings on OPP in the past raise the question of past Russian trolling presence on OPP.

That was in somewhat distant past and seems obvious now, but the present question is to what extent might Russian trolling have continued since and into the present on OPP?

Really, PG? Fascists calling others fascists? Extreme extremes of right and left are in fact both fascists and neo-Nazis. The Nazi name is national socialist and past-day communist Russia transitioned readily to present-day fascist Putin Russia.

The "Russian perspective" referred to in the middle of one of the above postings is interesting & perhaps key to understanding the crazy promotion of "Civil War" and strange extremisms here on OPP and as a major emphasis in Russia Today propaganda. Note the references to how this movement manifests not only in our politics but also in Europe and the UK and references to worldwide outcomes...in fact, a projected NWO, a NaziWhiteOrdered NWO, a NWO NWO! Whose new world order would that be? Not in America's image, for sure! Some personas on OPP are useful idiots for this vicious NWO...some, no doubt, are agents for it.

"beyond White HOT furious" -- as only a white nationalist can be?

Vernon just disproved the idea that it takes one to know one.

Couldn't be any worse than Y'ALL & the gang of hatemongers like Y'ALL here on OPP!

insane conspiracy whichever interpretation...weird...unreal...fake...why? What's the purpose of this insanity? Why post unreality and fakeness???!

Declaring for civil war, Sosillynthing? Who is the traitor-in-fact-by-your-own-statement here?! You and the alt-right neo-Nazi Bannonites here on OPP are playing the roles of unwitting useful idiots or some of you acting as agents for fascist Putin's promotion of America's isolation and end of our "exceptionalism" and greatness as world leader & promoter of the free world. Canada & Mexico are literally near united to us--near 51st & 52nd states.
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Your GWOA is going to make us great? Did the GWOC make China great? America IS great--and the future of civilization hangs on our model of greatness. As Winston Churchill, son of UK and USA, put it, we are far from perfect in form of government or in immediate circumstances but the best there is.

You promote disillusion rather than patience and persistence. You BANnonites would abandon all that America represents toward the future of mankind.
Whether America's greatness and model persists and succeeds or is abandoned or fails by circumstances, whether by successful persistence or renaissance
inspiration in distant time OUR "imperfect" United States of America (and not YOUR perverted versions) will be seen as the future & path of civilization, just as the imperfect Greek democracy & Roman Republic are seen today as essential parts of the present future of mankind. To qualify our role, credit also belongs to our parent Britain and the many sister, brother, and fostered children states through Britain, plus related European states, plus adoptive states. Moreover, dissent is part of the process of correcting imperfection--historically even extreme dissent and secession from the existing status has played a key role (as with the Pilgrims, who became the Congregationalists and from them the Unitarians and Universalists), & thus even you Bannonite extremists & your extremes on the other side may possibly be key players for civilization...although I suggest extremes might best go to frontier exile where reality adjustments may convert extremes into useful invention. And, yes, fundamental credit to where America and freedom are today belongs to Christianity & its recognition of basic imperfections and the promotion of individual redemptions. Also geographic luck of isolated location protected from outside interferences made possible key historical developments in Britain and then ln the American frontier land. And indeed there are other key qualifications but for now I have simply run out of time.

Irony...Pro-Trumper, extremist hate promoters like Sossilianthingy defends Islamist hater group and calls PayPal suspension of AFDI a fascist act. Neo-Nazi neo-fascists & hate-promoters like S & G complain as fascist any action against their own extremism and Neo-Nazi fascism. It kind of plays out like the "crybaby Cantwell" irony situation that played out with the hate movement's "protest march." ha.

If you neo-whatever Bannonites want to make this into a Great Irony, file a discrimination suit against PayPal & emphasize the freedom of opinion angle just like the recent very fine protesting people "on many sides, on many sides." Dramatize these "many sides" equivalencies in your MAGA marches, rallies, protests, and complaints to further the cause of defeating the globalists & building the wall to bannon them out and Make America Great Again...moreover, the wall must be Great--greater than the Great Wall of China to impress how Great to the outside world...just as gold furniture furnished living quarters are required in some minds to demonstrate some greatness.

Right reply to conspiracy nonsense!

Thank you, BM, for this summary of the basis for the NWO "conspiracy" viewpoint. Here I thought the conspiracy story was just made up by the crazies. ha.

Not that I don't think the NWO conspiracy story line isn't a bit "crazy" interpretation of that basis, but it relates and is significant to my own "crazy" federalist interpretation of United States history and the future of civilization--except my story line goes back to the constitution of the federal government, the Federalists and Hamilton's bank plus Hamilton & Washington's effort to organize an expedition to aid the Brits against the French plus the New England secession movement...and then the Jefferson insistence on reserved rights of decision to individuals and states as addition to the consititutional division of decision powers as check & balance to federal action plus Jefferson's focus on American interests (siding with French, Louisiana purchase, expansion westward)...and then the Jacksonian "populist" revolution by radical or extremist Jeffersonians (an ironic alliance of the common people and plantationists--the plantation system being the new world version of the old world economic and social manorial system) against the then federal-government "establishment." Andrew Jackson's candidacy and election was "unprecedented" and he was regarded by the establishment as unsuitable for office politically and in personal history (dueling, irregular marriage, etc.). The result was formation of opposed Whig and Dem political parties that formally nominated President and Vice Pres. tickets. In the later 1850s the Republican Party replaced the Whig Party as proponent of federal action & programs (like the national railroad system) and disapproval of slavery on principle--resulting in secession of plantation areas, the Confederacy, and the Civil War.

Well, Mike, it's 5 a.m. and my malfunctioning computer just erased half of what I had put together the past two hours (I have difficulty in working out wording and details of my ideas). I've run out of time and won't have time to get back to the subject this year. Perhaps you can see part of where I was headed...history repeats itself. So, was the United States federal government a conspiracy? a new national order conspired toward by a club of a few snob elitists in the 1780s? Or could the Revolution and American independence and the set up of a republic not ruled by a monarch trace to a few conspirig British statesmen? There were some Brit statesmen who agreed with the basis for the revolution on principle, even if they regretted losing the colonies. (The Brits have a history of accepting secession--Ireland, the recent Scotland vote on secession, Brexit, & various Commonwealth nations and parts.)

Snob and conspiracy do not apply to the Revolution or the Constitution you and I would agree. It was, however, unique in its time and the key event leading to present-day civilization. The so-called New World Order is in fact an American idea--or at least the United Nations was specifically created by by Amerians its "capital" located in America, and mirrors our federal constitution in limited power and check and balance (5 nations with veto power).To make it more functional, a Jeffersonian amendment make-over is needed to reassure participants about limitations in action, reservation of powers to nation states .

America is home to many organizations with goals to do good--Lion's Clubs, the Masons, Veteran organizations, Chambers of Commerce, Salvation Army, Food Pantries, etc.-- and some that intend good but do bad. In the 1960s I taught in a small northern Illinois rural town with a Lion's Club--mostly only a social club but with good intentions. Most small towns have or had a community social club. Much later around 2004 I found out that the town's social club in the 1920s & 30s was KKK and the town's prominent businessmen and farmers were members. I've even seen a picture of one of the meetings with names written beside each in the picture. The "good" intention of this particular KKK was not anti-black but vigilante action against incest, window peeking, exposure to children, etc. that the law did not act against as late as the 1950s as it would today. I didn't find out about the KKK past until 40 some years later by accident and then by circumstance of 1960s conversations about some people run out of town in the distant past was able to see what was involved was different from what I would have thought if all I knew was that there had been a KKK chapter.

The "NWO conspiracy" is perhaps likewise different from what you think from the sinister New World ORDER wording without taking into consideration the intent of the club behind it and the details of the United Nations set-up and its actions so far. True, there's always the danger of too much order or regulation that stifles independent decision and innovation. The Roman Republic lasted only 200 years and the Greek democracy cities less. Then confrontation with outside forces required centralization of power and decision. The other factor in the end of the Roman Republic was economic change that eliminated the independent citizen class...which for Rome was the independent farmer class--eliminated by consolidation of land into estates and eventually becoming the manorial system with serfs through the Middle Ages (the plantation system with slaves was the version that developed in the new world). My freshman research paper in 1956 at the University of Tennessee was farm consolidation in Clarendon Township, Calhoun County, Michigan posing the question or comparison with the farm consolidation at the end of the Roman Republic eliminating the independent citizen basis of the republic, cited in Gibbon's Decline and Fall of Rome as one of the causes of the end of the republic and resulting manorial system. My professor was impressed and wanted me to revise it for publication. I didn't because the thesis was based on my coincidental awareness of details of combination of several farm ownerships or operations with my uncle's farm and my cousin and her husband's farm and awareness that most of my other relatives on both sides and their neighbors who made up the Clarendon community no longer farmed (and 60 years later Clarendon township no longer exists as a community except in memory). The Roman historical connection was also coincidental from the fact my high school in Fountain City, Tennessee, had once been an academy and thus the high school library somehow still had all umpteen volumes of Gibbons Roman history, of which I as my class's classic nerd was the only reader of all the volumes. I thought the coincidences were too uncertain limited to one townships location...and the Roman connection somewhat irrelevant since a middle class of independent business citizens existed and a large class of working citizens with near middle class status and independence through representation of their interests in employment. I had no inkling of the degree of coming mega corporate consolidation & decimation of the independent business citizen class or the marginalization of independent worker status by the feeling of distance from participation in decision making in the mega corporate world and the global economy...and now the tech economy and automation is even changing the amount and type of work & jobs. 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Certainly fewer job opportunities will be (and is) difficult politically and socially--possibly impossible and a trigger for a Middles Ages phase suspension to our civilization. That is, if the Trump "populist revolution" doesn't so divide us (like the Jacksonian populist movement did) that we split or so cancel our alliances & global status that we cannot use the UN to control Russian, Turk, Iranian, and our own "great again" programs thus requiring authoritarian govt. to avoid possible defeat in resulting confrontations & wars.

Again, Mike, I thank you for presenting the specifics of the NWO "conspiracy." Your statees\\ment that opposition to and distrust of a world government "is what the election was about" I would rate as on the mark and related to my interpretation of the Federalist (Hamiltonian) idea of a national bank and a central government active in overall decisions in the interest of the whole union without restricting decisions of the parts in their specific interests...with the Jeffersonians distrusting central government in general opposition to larger national power to decide action because outside special interests tend to determine decisions. The definite recent trend is for key nations to choose "populist" national greatness and scorn or "trump" international "political correctness" standards or ideals. This could destroy united action or could lead to action between nations to redefine international decision set-up to ensure against overreach or over-regulation in international decision and action so that nations can trust the United Nations decision-making set-up and make actual effective and workable international decisions and actions possible.

Well, that's my take on the United Nations as an effort in the American United States model. I wish the advocacy of international government you enumerated so clearly had been more open and less elitist and snobbish. The conspiratorial appearance of this behind-the-scene advocacy club's connection to the creation of the United Nations has created the believable NWO conspiracy story line that questions the intent of the global cooperative effort the UN is.

Gee, so I'm a "moonbat"? A characterization from one of the embittered uneducated white male deplorables??

I agree "this is the most entertaining this site has been in ages." I haven't had time to participate on OPP the past year & a half but have checked in 2 or 3 times to see how the RW extremist nutcase participants were positioned on their fellow traveler's candidacy in the primaries, the election, and now their positioning after the unexpected electoral college win. What I find entertaining is the degree to which their extreme and conspiracy thinking is now having to adjust to realities and responsibility. Quite a reversal in the usual tone with OPP communication now.

Perhaps, Linda, YOU better take a good look at YOUself!!

Interesting that the United Nations and the European Union follow the "federal" limited powers and checks (vetoes) model that was invented by and has been so successful for our nation for over 200 years. Equally interesting that the free world nations in the world are based on our example or British Commonwealth practices. For that matter, we ourselves are products of the British political system--not just the American Revolution but also a British revolution (sympathized with on principle by some key British statesmen however much they regretted the loss of the colonies). The British parliamentary self-government system was made possible by security of physical separation (by the English Channel) from outside aggression and perhaps developed from social and political adjustments to fundamental ethnic and cultural divisions deriving from a history of takeovers by small-grip outsiders.

Brexit is an instance of Brit recognition of national state decision rights over European Union decision, just as the Brits have recognized the right of Scotland (and earlier Ireland) to secede from the United Kingdom. The United States has a somewhat different history regarding secession--with a written contract (constitution) dividing and defining rights and practices regarding individual, state, and united decision, with checks and balances to prevent voiding of those rights of decision...with rights and practices of local (county, township, city) government decision within states and of groups (corporations, organizations) of indiviuals decision within states and the national union following the same principles. The political divisions that followed were over extent of government decision and larger historical principles. I don't have time today to enumerate the specifics of our early national politics history that correspond to current issues and developments--but suffice it to say that the "establishment" party of national government action and principled international action was the sequence of Federalists, Whigs, GOP, and after 1933 the Dems...and the party of limited national government action but international action in the national interest was Jefferson and the Jacksonian "populist" Dem overthrow of the political establishment, &, after the Great Depression reversal of positions, the Republicans. The Jacksonian populism revolution is our early history parallel to our current political development--both regarded by the political establishment of both times as unprecedented rumps in divisiveness and in person-leader obnoxiousness.