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Mar 21, 2016 14:04:26   #
So, zillions, huh,
With Eight Million CCW holders in this Nation, please cite some evidence to support your totally uninformed "opinion".


Dummy Boy wrote:
...and zillions haven't....and they are called criminals, loonies and assholes.
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Mar 21, 2016 13:46:33   #
The simple fact is that millions of the very citizens you deride, have received extensive training, Military Training. We are called Veterans!


lpnmajor wrote:
The question I ask my gun carrying friends is this; You hear gunfire and turn towards it, you see two people with firearms - are they both criminal shooters - or is one of them the shooter and the other a lawful gun carrying person who is doing the same thing you are? Who do you shoot?

They either don't answer or say "whoever shoots at you". Waiting for someone to shoot at you, is asking to get shot, so if you don't witness the original crime - you're as much a threat to innocent lives as the criminal AND you'll likely become a criminal yourself - if you choose wrong.

My point is, arming up for safety in your home is one thing, carrying a weapon in public, concealed or not, is a whole different thing. You have to know when, how and who to shoot - and have to figure this out BEFORE an incident occurs. Why does no one see why police and soldiers go through extensive training for urban warfare? If you have to stop and think before you act, you'll likely die. Conversely, if you act without thinking, an innocent may die, making yourself a criminal in the process. The correct responses have to be TRAINED into the individual - and playing "call of duty" or a similar game, is NOT training, in fact, it creates the delusion that you will know what to do when the time comes. That thinking is pure dee bullsh*t.
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Mar 21, 2016 13:36:05   #
I suspect that Republicans, Independents and Democrats are turning out in normal numbers, it's just that this time Independents and moderate Democrats are voting Republican.

What do you think about that?


littlebit wrote:
Don't you people read. Look at my post again. Out of the 1.5 million Democrats have 40% of the vote the Republicans had 60% of the vote. Or is that math a little bit too hard for your P brain. I know it's hard but try. As far as Hillary goes I can't see how anybody can condone the damage she has done to this country. She sold us out in order to take bribes for her foundation from foreign countries. Between Hillary and Obama they let four Americans die without lifting a finger and try to blame it on some fictitious YouTube. Are you that stupid that you can't see through this lady. Tell me exactly what she has accomplished while she was at the State Department?
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Mar 21, 2016 13:23:03   #
Heaven Forbid that opinion should be clouded by fact.


Dummy Boy wrote:
Common Sense...Do snipers kill women and children first to clear the area of non targets or do they kill the gun toting soldiers.
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Mar 21, 2016 13:15:05   #
Bullseye: A recent study in Sweden found that, psychotropic drugs (such as Zanax), increase violent behavior by 40%in the age group of 16 to 24 years of age.

Why are persons who attempt suicide not included in the prohibited category, as they clearly pose a threat to themselves?


JMHO wrote:
How are you going to determine who a nut case is, and who isn't? What criteria are you going to use? I say all left-wingers are mental cases, should we take all their guns? If you notice, most of the gun massacres, other than the San Bernardino/terrorist massacres, most of these nut cases were on a Zanax type of drug...should that be the criteria?
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Mar 21, 2016 11:39:07   #
Please Read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_for_the_Preservation_of_Firearms_Ownership


sweetlips wrote:
i think that if you check, most of the semites in this country are for more gun control
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Mar 21, 2016 11:06:15   #
The "number (one) target"?

I would be very interested in seeing you support this statement with any FACTS?

Or is this an unsupported theory?


Dummy Boy wrote:
I want to say to all: I am reading a lot of practical and level headed thinking going on here. The first I've heard in a long time concerning the 2nd Amendment.
There is an undertone of fear though, and that is the fundamental problem. I have often remarked to friends about open carry, that the fact is: they are the number target in the room because a criminal will be using a concealed weapon. It doesn't do you much good to have a gun if you're shot in the back.
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Mar 21, 2016 10:28:34   #
Fiatlux: There you go again,

1. In 2014 there were 1,165,383 crimes of VIOLENCE known to law enforcement in the United States.*

2. There is no room to imprison those VIOLENT FELONS, because our prisons are full of drug addicts, and the violent felons know this, even if you do not.

3. In-spite of #2, the violent crime rate in the United States declined by 47% from 1995 to 2014.*

4. GAO study indicated that, as of 2013, more than 8 million Americans hold valid permits to carry concealed weapons. That is ten times the total number of Law Enforcement, and that number is growing every day.

I assert that the decline, in all violent crime is due to the fact that "would be, violent criminals" are deterred more by fear of their potential victim than by fear of arrest, and rightly so!

As for the "gun free zones" to make our people safer, I contend that 100+ DEAD STUDENTS, might like to contest that one.

Since 20,000+ laws regulating these "evil' guns is not sufficient, just how many more unenforced laws would you recommend, please be specific, since you seem to have all of the answers!

I will concede that the right to keep and bear arms should be limited, like the right to vote, to U.S. citizens! This is NOT currently the case.

As for being "non violent" so are we, the difference is that you sit on your 'chair' expecting some one else to provide you with the safety and freedom you enjoy. We the CCW holders in this country are willing to fight for our safety and security, and YOURS!

True security: We, the lawfully armed Americans outnumber all of the Armies of the world combined, five to one!

If lawfully armed Americans were a problem, the world would know it.

Why do you think that the U.N. wants to disarm America?

* US DOJ Uniform Crime Report 2014



fiatlux wrote:
Basic to a Republic are the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The total irresponsibility of the majority on the Right (though not the majority of Americans, even NRA members) to insist on no reasonable restrictions on guns, directly attacks the common good of our nation. It is domestic terrorism pure and simple. We have a group that feels no sense of decency or conscience in a free for all violence with deadly weapons. Put guns everywhere is their infantile solution. Playgrounds, churches, bars: viola violence disappears?

This is so far down the rabbit hole the word insanity is insufficient to describe it.
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Mar 21, 2016 08:22:37   #
DEBUNK:

1. The 2 sources which you cite are repetitions of one "study"

2. The results rank Michigan and Illinois in the group 31-40 for "gun violence"

THE TRUTH:

1. Michigan ranks 14th for murder in 2014*


2. Illinois ranks 15th for murder in 2015*

You don't let the facts get in the way do you?

Do you mindlessly swallow all of the progressive pablum, or are you selective?

Or do you not consider being murdered a threat to you and yours?

Study and conclusion both invalid!

* DOJ Uniform Crime Report 2014

fiatlux wrote:
Fact: the states with the loosest gun laws have the most gun crimes.
http://davidlifferth.ning.com/profiles/blogs/study-states-with-loose-gun-laws-have-higher-rates-of-gun
http://www.deseretnews.com/top/1429/1/Wisconsin-10-states-with-the-most-lenient-gun-laws-.html
California has the strictest gun control and a reduction of gun violence: look it up.
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Mar 21, 2016 01:24:26   #
As I have shown, reasonable restrictions abound!

What you are looking for is ENFORCEMENT OF EXISTING LAWS!


fiatlux wrote:
Aarrgghh. Wish u people will pay frkn attention. REASONABLE RESTRICTIONS! NOT TAKE AWAY ALL GUNS. Get a grip! Is English ur third or fourth language, if at all.
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Mar 21, 2016 01:05:04   #
Or maybe Fiatlux lives in D.C., the murder capital.

D.C. murder rate for 2014-15.93 per 100,000. 70% by guns.

D.C. Lowest rate of lawful gun ownership.

Moral: When you outlaw guns, only outlaws have guns.


DamnYANKEE wrote:
HE/SHE is a LIBTURD LUNATIC TROLL
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Mar 20, 2016 23:00:05   #
Fiatlux: You don't let facts get in your way do you?

The loosest gun laws, let's take a look at six states with Constitutional Carry, no permit required, if you can legally own a gun you can carry it concealled:

State Rank

Alaska 12th*

Vermont 49th

Maine 48th

New Mexico 18th*

Oklahoma 21st

Wyoming 36th

*Firearms used in less that 60% of murders.

Care to try again? Bring facts, not rants, please.

Also note that Idaho(44th) and West Virginia(26th) will soon be joining that list.



fiatlux wrote:
There are no universal restrictions, which is the only way restrictions can work. The states with the loosest gun laws have the greatest gun violence, and traveling to such states to purchase a firearm is not restricted. This love of guns is pure, unadulterated madness.
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Mar 20, 2016 22:22:00   #
Fiatlux: There you go again!

As for your first assertion; Felons are not restricted in all states because a lack of registration and background checks.

I assert that:

1. Persons prohibited by law from possessing a firearm, can not be required to register such firearm under Article V of the Bill of Rights.

2. Under Brady NCIS background checks are required for every sale made by licensed firearms dealers, nationwide.

3. Under federal law, any convicted felon in possession of a firearm is subject to a mandatory five year prison sentence.

4. This is just on more federal law that Obama refuses to enforce!

I therefore assert that you are wrong in your allegation that, felons are not restricted.

I further assert that you would do far better to focus on non-enforcement of existing restrictions.

Next, you assert that; Insane persons can get their firearms from friends or family.

In response I assert that:

1. Under federal law it is a felony, punishable by a mandatory five year prison sentence, to knowingly provide a firearm to
any person prohibited by law from possessing a firearm.

2. This is also one more federal law that Obama refuses to enforce.

3. Even though federal law requires the states to provide data on all persons prohibited, by mental defect, to the NCIS background
check system, many states refuse to do so because it is an "unfunded mandate" and can not be enforced.

I therefore assert that your second allegation is also false.

Once again the problem is not lack of restrictions, the problem is lack of enforcement!

As to the rest, I have dealt with your Article II allegations, where is your response?

Bob



fiatlux wrote:
Felons are not restricted in all states because a
lack of registration and background checks. And again that second group you mentioned, by reason of insanity, can purchase arms or be given them by family for the same reasons. This is insane! And a direct threat to our rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Gun owners are "elite" because the 2nd amendment protects only them and not those put at risk by by those armed citizens. My choice of non-violence is violated by this amendment. I have no redress. The 2nd Amendment is in clear violation of our general rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It serves the few, not the all.
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Mar 20, 2016 18:27:16   #
Sorry I didn't put CONSIDER in caps.

slatten49 wrote:
An "unconfirmed" and "anonymous" source, huh? That's really solid. :roll: :| Admittedly though, it takes two or more to tango. All participants could have behaved better...that's for sure.
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Mar 20, 2016 14:49:52   #
On the subject of Donald Trump & The Truth

Violence at Trump Rally: Who is really at fault, please consider:

http://www.americanlibertyreport.com/articles/the-donald-divides-media-blames-trump-for-rally-violence/





slatten49 wrote:
Heather Wilhelm

On Tuesday, the New York Times ran a lengthy profile of the Republican presidential front-runner, a man who is many things, but certainly never boring. Titled "A King in His Castle: How Donald Trump Lives, From His Longtime Butler," the article provided an intimate look inside Mar-a-Lago, Trump's "Versailles," a 118-room snowbird's paradise that might become a winter White House if he is elected president. The piece also offered the inside scoop on life with Trump from said longtime butler, Anthony Senecal.

If you can get past the mental image of "Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey lounging on a couch under the living room's 21-foot gold-leafed ceiling," the profile reveals some telling tidbits, tossed like stray diamonds amid the various Bentleys, the faded Flemish tapestries and the library "filled with rare first-edition books that no one in the family ever read." That library has since been replaced by a bar that's crowned with a portrait of Trump, majestic, posing in tennis whites.

In the article, Senecal, "a kind of unofficial historian at Mar-a-Lago," recalls how Trump, among other various fibs and exaggerations, "liked to tell guests that the nursery rhyme-themed tiles" in the children's suite "were made by a young Walt Disney." Senecal, a seemingly normal person, would often correctly protest that this was not true. Trump, in return, would simply laugh and offer a simple reply: "Who cares?"

Who cares, indeed? A significant swath of voters apparently doesn't care. As the 2016 presidential race has unfolded, we've seen lies flying around like stray car parts at a low-budget demolition derby — with Trump as the fast-and-loose king of blatant untruths, and people so inured to it all that they don't even bother to flinch or duck.

In just the past few weeks, Trump has told so many lies it's hard to know which ones to cite. He lied about serving Trump steaks at a news conference on national television — they were "Bush Brothers" steaks, hilariously, from a butcher in West Palm Beach, Fla. On March 7 and 11, Trump claimed he was "not taking money" for his "self-funded" campaign, which might come as a surprise to the individuals throughout the country who have donated a reported $7.5 million to his campaign.

Meanwhile, late last week, Trump said at a news conference, "I don't think there are two Donald Trumps" literally moments after saying, "There are two Donald Trumps." America simply shrugged and went on with its day.

Trump supporters tend to get irritated when confronted with things such as the blatantly fake Trump steaks; "Who cares?" — unsurprisingly — is a common reply. This is somewhat puzzling, given that many Trump fans claim to like him because he "tells it like it is." It's also puzzling because if you know anything about life, you likely know this: When people lie about little, inconsequential things, they tend to also lie about big, consequential things.

And so it is that we have Donald Trump telling his supporters, "I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees" if someone decides to "knock the crap" out of a protester. More recently, on "Meet the Press," Trump told host Chuck Todd he had "instructed my people to look into" paying legal fees for a man who, apparently taking Trump's advice, sucker-punched a protester at a rally in North Carolina, then told the press he might have to kill someone for Donald Trump. But wait! What's that? Why, it's Donald Trump on "Good Morning America," claiming he "never said" he was going to pay legal fees, even though the video of Trump saying just that is all over the Internet.

Then there's the Donald Trump who, after months and months of claiming that Mexico would pay for his border wall, admitted to conservative talk show host Sean Hannity, "Politically, that's not feasible." Oh, and there's the Donald Trump who linked to a hoax video that claimed one of his protesters had ties to the Islamic State: "All I know," he said when asked about the inaccuracy, "is what's on the Internet."

Politicians have lied for centuries. In this, Trump is certainly not alone. Hillary Clinton, for her part, can tell a heck of an untruth; her husband wasn't so shabby in that arena either. What's new is the rapid-fire, constant nature of the lies, paired with the fact that they're so easily debunked. Traditionally, politicians have at least tried to hide their dishonesty, due to the assumption that voters would care.

With the rise of Trump's post-truth campaign, that assumption has been obliterated. Trump's bet is that enough voters won't care, or, alternatively, that he can simply tire everyone out. So far, he's been right. This week, Trump warned of riots if he were to be denied the GOP nomination for president. Sean Spicer, spokesman for the Republican National Committee, told the press that Trump was speaking "figuratively."

Man, oh man. For the GOP, the truth is probably going to hurt.

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