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Jul 9, 2017 14:47:30   #
1969skoops wrote:
My bottom line, until the press stop using the so called unnamed sources, I'll never ever trust anything the press says unless I can personally verify for my self by using several sources!! And the idea that these press sources are to be protected is pure BS!!


Go for it.
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Jul 9, 2017 14:46:38   #
Super Dave wrote:
Haters confuse "Free Press" with "Unquestioned Press".

The press's freedom to lie doesn't remove the right of other people to be honest.


I did not and no else ever even considered suggesting the Press should go unquestioned. That is a strawman.
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Jul 9, 2017 14:45:03   #
son of witless wrote:
One bad media outlet? As Sargent Schultz said " jolly joker ". Freedom of the press means the government will not abolish or throw into jail the press. CNN and the rest are free to pursue whatever it is they do. The government is also free to question and criticize them. Where is " free press " not free?


The threat by Trump that the Free Press is "the enemy of the people" is always the first move toward a totalitarian state.
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Jul 9, 2017 14:42:53   #
jack sequim wa wrote:
Nice try moron, uninformed, useful idiot.
Now be a typical leftist and argue something other thanight the content. These references can be 100% verified by multiple sources, including a recent Harvard study and are empirical evidence your just another illiterate brainwashed liberal only capable of quoting talking points and lest I include fake news by liberal journalist.

Ninety percent or more of the coverage at CNN, NBC and CBS was determined to be negative. The coverage by the New York Times and Washington Post was 80 percent negative or higher. Even the Wall Street Journal, which is considered to lean conservative, was determined to provide coverage of Trump that was 70 percent negative.

One unexpected finding from the study is that BBC’s coverage was 74 percent negative, lower than many of the top American news outlets.

http://www.google.com/amp/www.theblaze.com/news/2017/05/20/harvard-study-examines-media-coverage-of-trump-and-the-results-will-blow-you-away/amp/#ampshare=http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/05/20/harvard-study-examines-media-coverage-of-trump-and-the-results-will-blow-you-away/

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/posteverything/wp/2016/11/18/my-fake-news-list-went-viral-but-made-up-stories-are-only-part-of-the-problem/#ampshare=https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/18/my-fake-news-list-went-viral-but-made-up-stories-are-only-part-of-the-problem/

THE ULTIMATE “FAKE NEWS” LIST
The mainstream media is the primary source of the most harmful, most inaccurate news ever
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones - DECEMBER 7, 2016 871 Comments
The Ultimate "Fake News" List
4803
Isn’t it ironic how the mainstream media has the nerve to lecture everyone else about “fake news” when they are the primary source of fake news on a consistent basis stretching back years?
Fake news stories and fake narratives put out by the mainstream media have resulted in deaths, destruction and people’s lives being ruined.
RELATED: PETITION: DEFEND INDEPENDENT MEDIA FROM ‘FAKE NEWS’ ATTACKS
The most harmful fake news is routinely published by the mainstream media. They are the main progenitors of fake news.
– The fake news that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and that Iraq was involved in 9/11, dutifully regurgitated without question by the mainstream media, resulted in hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, thousands of dead and injured U.S. troops, and the destabilization of an entire continent.

– The fake news that the rebels in Syria were “moderates” who did not have jihadist sympathies and should be supported led to the destruction of Syria, Libya and the rise of ISIS.
– The fake news narrative that the media was balanced in its coverage of the presidential election was completely obliterated when Wikileaks emails revealed that countless mainstream media reporters were in bed with the Clinton campaign, feeding them debate questions beforehand and conspiring with Hillary’s staff to portray her in a positive light.
– The fake news that George Zimmerman was obsessed with Trayvon Martin’s race before the altercation that led to Martin’s death was accomplished by means of NBC deceptively editing an audio tape. This incident stoked racial tensions across the country and laid the groundwork for the violent ‘Black Lives Matter’ movement that was to follow.
– The fake news that produced the “hands up, don’t shoot” narrative, which was proven to be completely fraudulent, led to riots, violent attacks and looting in Ferguson, Missouri, as well as numerous other U.S. cities. Even after the rioting began, the mainstream media continued to legitimize the unrest. Fake news outlets continued to parrot the “hands up, don’t shoot” narrative even after it was proven false.

– The fake news that saw innumerable people accused of rape at college campuses across America, claims that were proven wrong, ruined people’s lives and perpetuated the myth (fake news) that one in five women are raped on college campuses.
– The fake news that George W. Bush served dishonorably during his time in the Air National Guard was broadcast by CBS News with the aid of fake documents. In circulating this fake news, CBS tried to influence the 2004 presidential election but only ended up crucifying their own credibility, leading to Dan Rather’s resignation six months later.
– The fake news that NBC anchor Brian Williams faced enemy fire while helicoptering into Iraq in 2003 was exposed when soldiers who were aboard the helicopter blew the whistle on his lies. Despite admittedly putting out fake news, Williams still has a career in broadcast journalism.
– The fake news narrative that Donald Trump somehow represents the next coming of Hitler has provoked a hysterical anti-Trump hate crime wave across America, with people and property being attacked on a routine basis. The same hysterical fake news narrative was also responsible for violence and riots at Trump events throughout the campaign cycle, as well as assassination attempts on Trump’s life.
– The fake news that Donald Trump had no chance whatsoever of winning the presidential election was proudly pushed by countless mainstream media outlets, with the Huffington Post even predicting that Hillary Clinton had a 98% chance of winning the presidency. When this fake news narrative was completely demolished on November 8, it swept away trust in political polling and the mainstream media to an even greater degree, prompting the backlash that you now see with the corporate press calling everyone else “fake news” when they are the real fake news.

FULL LIST OF FAKE NEWS OUTLETS

– The New York Times
– The Washington Post
– CNN
– NBC News
– MSNBC
– CBS News
– ABC News
– Salon.com
– The Huffington Post
– Rolling Stone
– BBC News
– Sky News
– Financial Times
– Politico
– New York Daily News
– L.A. Times
– USA Today
– US News & World Report
– CBC
– Gawker
– Newsweek
– Time
– Business Insider
– Daily Beast
– VICE
– Yahoo News
– Daily Kos
– Young Turks
– Slate
– NPR
– PBS
– Raw Story
– New Yorker
– Buzzfeed
– MoveOn
– Think Progress
– Media Matters
– Wonkette
– Center for American Progress
– Little Green Footballs
– The Economist

List of journalist that colluded with the Clinton campaign
http://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/071216fake.jpg
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Just noticed...sorry, give me a sec, laughing my ass...just noticed you use the totally wacko conspiracy theory Info Wars, Alex Jones, the guy who said the Sandy Hook massacre was faked by Liberals to push gun control and all those children were not really killed. And that the WTC was an inside job and not the result of terrorists flying planes into the towers. This is the source you use for real news?
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Jul 9, 2017 14:38:14   #
jack sequim wa wrote:
Nice try moron, uninformed, useful idiot.
Now be a typical leftist and argue something other thanight the content. These references can be 100% verified by multiple sources, including a recent Harvard study and are empirical evidence your just another illiterate brainwashed liberal only capable of quoting talking points and lest I include fake news by liberal journalist.

Ninety percent or more of the coverage at CNN, NBC and CBS was determined to be negative. The coverage by the New York Times and Washington Post was 80 percent negative or higher. Even the Wall Street Journal, which is considered to lean conservative, was determined to provide coverage of Trump that was 70 percent negative.

One unexpected finding from the study is that BBC’s coverage was 74 percent negative, lower than many of the top American news outlets.

http://www.google.com/amp/www.theblaze.com/news/2017/05/20/harvard-study-examines-media-coverage-of-trump-and-the-results-will-blow-you-away/amp/#ampshare=http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/05/20/harvard-study-examines-media-coverage-of-trump-and-the-results-will-blow-you-away/

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/posteverything/wp/2016/11/18/my-fake-news-list-went-viral-but-made-up-stories-are-only-part-of-the-problem/#ampshare=https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/11/18/my-fake-news-list-went-viral-but-made-up-stories-are-only-part-of-the-problem/

THE ULTIMATE “FAKE NEWS” LIST
The mainstream media is the primary source of the most harmful, most inaccurate news ever
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones - DECEMBER 7, 2016 871 Comments
The Ultimate "Fake News" List
4803
Isn’t it ironic how the mainstream media has the nerve to lecture everyone else about “fake news” when they are the primary source of fake news on a consistent basis stretching back years?
Fake news stories and fake narratives put out by the mainstream media have resulted in deaths, destruction and people’s lives being ruined.
RELATED: PETITION: DEFEND INDEPENDENT MEDIA FROM ‘FAKE NEWS’ ATTACKS
The most harmful fake news is routinely published by the mainstream media. They are the main progenitors of fake news.
– The fake news that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and that Iraq was involved in 9/11, dutifully regurgitated without question by the mainstream media, resulted in hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, thousands of dead and injured U.S. troops, and the destabilization of an entire continent.

– The fake news that the rebels in Syria were “moderates” who did not have jihadist sympathies and should be supported led to the destruction of Syria, Libya and the rise of ISIS.
– The fake news narrative that the media was balanced in its coverage of the presidential election was completely obliterated when Wikileaks emails revealed that countless mainstream media reporters were in bed with the Clinton campaign, feeding them debate questions beforehand and conspiring with Hillary’s staff to portray her in a positive light.
– The fake news that George Zimmerman was obsessed with Trayvon Martin’s race before the altercation that led to Martin’s death was accomplished by means of NBC deceptively editing an audio tape. This incident stoked racial tensions across the country and laid the groundwork for the violent ‘Black Lives Matter’ movement that was to follow.
– The fake news that produced the “hands up, don’t shoot” narrative, which was proven to be completely fraudulent, led to riots, violent attacks and looting in Ferguson, Missouri, as well as numerous other U.S. cities. Even after the rioting began, the mainstream media continued to legitimize the unrest. Fake news outlets continued to parrot the “hands up, don’t shoot” narrative even after it was proven false.

– The fake news that saw innumerable people accused of rape at college campuses across America, claims that were proven wrong, ruined people’s lives and perpetuated the myth (fake news) that one in five women are raped on college campuses.
– The fake news that George W. Bush served dishonorably during his time in the Air National Guard was broadcast by CBS News with the aid of fake documents. In circulating this fake news, CBS tried to influence the 2004 presidential election but only ended up crucifying their own credibility, leading to Dan Rather’s resignation six months later.
– The fake news that NBC anchor Brian Williams faced enemy fire while helicoptering into Iraq in 2003 was exposed when soldiers who were aboard the helicopter blew the whistle on his lies. Despite admittedly putting out fake news, Williams still has a career in broadcast journalism.
– The fake news narrative that Donald Trump somehow represents the next coming of Hitler has provoked a hysterical anti-Trump hate crime wave across America, with people and property being attacked on a routine basis. The same hysterical fake news narrative was also responsible for violence and riots at Trump events throughout the campaign cycle, as well as assassination attempts on Trump’s life.
– The fake news that Donald Trump had no chance whatsoever of winning the presidential election was proudly pushed by countless mainstream media outlets, with the Huffington Post even predicting that Hillary Clinton had a 98% chance of winning the presidency. When this fake news narrative was completely demolished on November 8, it swept away trust in political polling and the mainstream media to an even greater degree, prompting the backlash that you now see with the corporate press calling everyone else “fake news” when they are the real fake news.

FULL LIST OF FAKE NEWS OUTLETS

– The New York Times
– The Washington Post
– CNN
– NBC News
– MSNBC
– CBS News
– ABC News
– Salon.com
– The Huffington Post
– Rolling Stone
– BBC News
– Sky News
– Financial Times
– Politico
– New York Daily News
– L.A. Times
– USA Today
– US News & World Report
– CBC
– Gawker
– Newsweek
– Time
– Business Insider
– Daily Beast
– VICE
– Yahoo News
– Daily Kos
– Young Turks
– Slate
– NPR
– PBS
– Raw Story
– New Yorker
– Buzzfeed
– MoveOn
– Think Progress
– Media Matters
– Wonkette
– Center for American Progress
– Little Green Footballs
– The Economist

List of journalist that colluded with the Clinton campaign
http://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/071216fake.jpg
Nice try moron, uninformed, useful idiot. br Now ... (show quote)


The point remains: a Free Press is essential to democracy.
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Jul 9, 2017 14:34:59   #
crazylibertarian wrote:
Your statement is riddled with hyperbole. Freedom of the Press does not immunize the press from critcism. In fact, crticism should be welcomed by the various media. It's called Freedom of Speech.


It is not hyperbole: only with the cornerstone of a Free Press can liberty survive. And I did not say or suggest that a Free Press cannot be criticized; that point of yours is a non sequitur. Criticism is welcomed.
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Jul 9, 2017 14:31:12   #
Super Dave wrote:
How do you feel about what the Obama administration did to James Rosen?

The Trump administration has done nothing like this,.have they?


The topic--again!--is the absolute need for a Free Press.
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Jul 9, 2017 14:29:45   #
shirleycts1 wrote:
Ah and in that phrase "free press" is the rub. It has not been a free press for over 50 yrs., it's been owned by an unelected government of globalists who want to feed us lies. And that is a very good reason to turn them off.


Like Fox News, Limbugh, Info Wars, Breitbart, CNS, The Federalist?
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Jul 9, 2017 14:28:03   #
rebob14 wrote:
True.........but........not all modern day press should be free. Along with the need to be free comes the obligation to be honest and ethical. American mainline "journalism" reads more like People magazine. Coverage has become extremely biased and tribal.


It can be, yet a Free Press is imperative.
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Jul 9, 2017 14:27:11   #
Docadhoc wrote:
When the press feels empowered to dispense political opinion and invent its own news based on its own political bias, it is no longer a 'free press" and should be shut down.


That is so ridiculous a statement.
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Jul 9, 2017 14:25:53   #
Wolf counselor wrote:
Nice try, but no donut for you.

Reading between your lines, I can hear your weak attempt to bolster up support for CNN.

It ain't workin'.

CNN is fake news and Trump is the real deal.

I noticed that you only come out of your safe place during the wee hours.

I can't blame you though, because you've taken some very severe butt kickings from many of us here.

But I'm gonna cut you some slack and offer a bit of advice.

Be nice to your mammy and ask her to help you get a puppy.

Then when you have these urges to post such wussified comments, you can play with your puppy instead.
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It has nothing to do directly with CNN. It has to do with the utter necessity of a Free Press for the establishment, maintenance, strength, and enhancement of a rebuplic or democracy. Trying to wriggle out of Trump's abhorrent statement that a Free Press is "the enemy of the people" by deflecting to the disgusting exchanges of Trump and CNN does not work.

What you guys call a "butt kicking" is not challenging or rebutting my facts but simply troll-delight: insult, deflection, and little girl giggles.
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Jul 9, 2017 14:17:29   #
Super Dave wrote:
Well... This is bigger than Twoscoopgate.


Four hours after President Trump's meeting with the Chinese president here Saturday, the White House released a transcript: REMARKS BY PRESIDENT TRUMP BEFORE BILATERAL MEETING WITH PRESIDENT XI OF THE REPUBLIC OF CHINA That's the wrong China. Xi is president of the People's Republic of China — sometimes referred to as "mainland" China. The Republic of China is Taiwan, which the People's Republic of China considers a breakaway province.
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Jul 9, 2017 04:25:50   #
Wolf counselor wrote:
So you're sad and you're scared ?

As well you should be.

Trump is your worst nightmare.

Obammy is but a distant memory now and he's been replaced by a blue blooded alpha male Caucasian.

So if you were smart, you would get with the program and enjoy the ride.

But that's not likely.

Because the, " if you were smart " part of that statement, just ain't gonna happen.


Smart is good, but not first. Family is first, to me. Their freedom. And Trump is their worst nightmare. That is just how I see it.
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Jul 9, 2017 04:20:20   #
Wolf counselor wrote:
Nice try, but no donut for you.

Reading between your lines, I can hear your weak attempt to bolster up support for CNN.

It ain't workin'.

CNN is fake news and Trump is the real deal.

I noticed that you only come out of your safe place during the wee hours.

I can't blame you though, because you've taken some very severe butt kickings from many of us here.

But I'm gonna cut you some slack and offer a bit of advice.

Be nice to your mammy and ask her to help you get a puppy.

Then when you have these urges to post such wussified comments, you can play with your puppy instead.
Nice try, but no donut for you. br br Reading bet... (show quote)


You are a moron. Sorry. One Bad Media outlet, and CNN may be just that, does not warrant the comment the Press "is the enemy of the people." Not all CNN is fake News, no matter how much you may wish it so or look to undermine it.

I have enough of that macho thing in me to ask "What butt kickings?" Have not noticed any.
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Jul 9, 2017 03:06:32   #
Follow the words: The ONLY security of all. Got that point. It is vital and overarching. Muy importante. ONLY! "...is in a Free Press." A Free Press is for, establishes, and guarantees "we the people" freedom. It is not the enemy. That is a totalitarian lie to call the Free Press the enemy of the people. Can the Press get it wrong? Can the Press be biased? Of course. Look at how the Press glorified the "Robber Barons" at the dire and mortal expense of Labor back in the late 19th and early 20th Century of America. Most of the Press then was fixated on the idea of Social Darwinism as the way of life, survival of the fittest. Entrepreneurs were the fittest, those who worked for them just expendable cogs. Ayn Rand came out of that prevailing thought. But the Press slowly saw the error of their ways, only because it was still free to do so.
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