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Aug 15, 2014 16:08:09   #
Although I generally like intelligent conversation in this forum, I find the below-referenced article hilarious. It seems to be supported with scientific evidence, but I have to say I'm skeptical. If my father was a big grits eater then I have to say "Thanks!" 'cause I am quite happy I turned out the way I did.

http://dailycurrant.com/2014/05/05/study-links-homosexuality-to-eating-grits/
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Aug 15, 2014 13:22:31   #
Augustus Greatorex wrote:
Used to be "the government had no business in our bedrooms." When did it become the business of certain people to broadcast what they do in their bedroom to the whole world?


Augustus, your comment is a good example of a deep misunderstanding of what it means to be gay. Like heterosexuality, it is about who you love and commit to sharing your life with. The sex is just one aspect.
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Aug 10, 2014 14:51:14   #
vernon wrote:
what is it about being imagination check it out.heck your pres sent a queer into schools and was teaching kids in first and second grade about oral sex and to swallow or not.and taught them about fisting maybe you should wake up.


Vernon - please quote the source of your information. Thanks!
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Aug 10, 2014 14:49:40   #
Alicia wrote:
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You have a very vivid imagination. Too bad you can't use it for good rather than always seeing the negative --- and worse, believing it!


I agree with Alicia. As to the facts, child molestation and homosexuality are two different things. The idea that homosexuals are always molesters has no basis in fact. The truth is that gay men are no more likely to molest children than heterosexual men.
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Aug 10, 2014 14:08:45   #
vernon wrote:
dam you just described obama to a t


In fact, I think you just described politicians in general.
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Aug 10, 2014 14:06:24   #
cesspool jones wrote:
ok, well, lemme see what ya got. hit me with yer rhythm stick.


That's a fair question. I'll illustrate what I was looking for by addressing some of Rumitoid’s points.

1) Recognize that the nation of Islam has very real and legitimate grievances against our nation.

I think Rumitoid’s choice of “nation of Islam” is an unfortunate one. My guess is he is referring to the body of believers around the world, and maybe specifically in the Middle East. In general I think progress comes when one truly tries to see the issue from the other’s point of view (not required to agree with it, just try to understand it.) That having been said, it would be more productive to know the specific grievances to which Rumitoid refers.

3) Clearly and freely remember how many countless times in our history that we "righteously" violated the 1st Amendment for "safety" or other rationalized concerns.

Probably a good idea to review the basic tenants of the 1st Amendment:

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

Because this discussion is centered on Islam I suspect the free exercise of religion is Rumitoid’s Amendment reference. I think (as it seems clear our Founding Fathers did) Muslims should be as free to practice their religion as Christians, Jews, Wiccans or whatever. But within the limits of a law-abiding society. All religions seem to be susceptible to fringe fanatic behavior that is somehow justified by religious texts (remember the Crusades and Inquisition). One of the teachings of Islam (currently being ignored by Muslim terrorist/extremists) is that differing religions should coexist peacefully – something that worked well in Spain among Christians, Muslims and Jews until the Catholic monarchs came to power.

6) Love not only thy neighbor but thy enemy as yourself.
7) Turn the other cheek, go the extra mile to resolve this growing conflict, taking no thought for yourself.

I’m surprised no one commented on these, which are near-direct quotes from Jesus himself. How do they apply in the context of terrorism? These are difficult directives that have no easy answer, on either side.
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Aug 10, 2014 12:53:52   #
cesspool jones wrote:
try having a civil conversation with ISIS. are you drunk?


You misunderstood my comment, Cesspool. I was hoping for an intelligent conversation with the participants of One Political Plaza.
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Aug 10, 2014 12:45:34   #
alex wrote:
if you believe that is what you got from him you are as demented as he is


Many thanks Alex, for proving my point by reverting to name-calling. I neither expect nor demand that everyone agree with me, but I do find I get more out of an intelligent discussion with civil conversation.
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Aug 10, 2014 12:38:31   #
Caboose wrote:
God don't tolerate queers either. A dead queer wants a
funeral in a baptist church? His life tells what he was but wants
a christian funeral? He didnt live the life of a christian why
should he be buried like one?


I can't pretend to know the mind of God, but I suspect He's also very frustrated at improper grammar use as well. And then there's also the thing about let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Just sayin'.
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Aug 10, 2014 12:31:55   #
rumitoid wrote:
I mean the word "just" as a double entendre: "only and right (by our Bill of Rights)."

A little history: "On Oct. 27, 1838, Missouri Governor Lilburn W. Boggs issued an official order declaring, "The Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the state if necessary for the public peace." On mayoral Election Day Aug. 6, 1855, the Know Nothing Party -- an anti-Catholic political organization -- sparked riots in Louisville, Kentucky against Catholic immigrants, leaving 22 dead. On Dec. 17, 1862, General Ulysses S. Grant issued Order 11, which read, "The Jews, as a class... are hereby expelled from Tennessee within twenty-four hours..." Expelled Jews, murdered Mormons and massacred Catholics -- and lest we think otherwise, the really gruesome stories involve African and Native Americans." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/qasim-rashid/americas-muslim-problem_b_1168709.html

"That is, unless the minority is American Muslims. In that case, the age-old rule applies. It is not bigotry nor discrimination that is being exercised, but American security that is being protected." As in the Patriot Act nearly every American has come to hate but felt necessary in their profound fear and need for safety.

The Declaration of Independence did not give liberty to slaves, native Americans, women, or non-property owning white folks. We steadily grew into a larger idea of equality, with much and costly resistance I might add. But we did--and to me that alone makes America great and unequaled in history. Liberty is a tough and expensive ideal to maintain, and very, very messy. But this was not fear-based when we became a nation but the thinking of the time about class. How we may come to treat the Muslims, in light of our disgrace as to how we treated Japanese Americans in WWII, Native Americans, and the oppression of the McCarthy era, will tell us if a republic such as ours deserves to survive.

Fear has a few disguises, one of those is "practical security." Another is patriotism. There are dozens more that, like the above, hide fear from ourselves and present it as something else more reasonable and respectable. Enough said and onto the solutions.

1) Recognize that the nation of Islam has very real and legitimate grievances against our nation.

2) Look to address those grievances as openly as possible, apologies, just recompense, and fair treaties included.

3) Clearly and freely remember how many countless times in our history that we "righteously" violated the 1st Amendment for "safety" or other rationalized concerns.

4) Become a dedicated peacemaker.

5) Put Constitutional and/or Religious principles before personal gain or desire, looking only for what is the best for the common good (true patriotism).

6) Love not only thy neighbor but thy enemy as yourself.

7) Turn the other cheek, go the extra mile to resolve this growing conflict, taking no thought for yourself.

8) Last but first, "Fear not!" Fear corrupts everything and looks suave doing it: the man to rely on and trust.
I mean the word "just" as a double enten... (show quote)


Once again Rumitoid, with a calm intelligent post that is genuinely engaging as a political topic, has kept me interested in One Political Plaza just as I was about to abandon it. Many thanks!

I always come hoping for intelligent discussion with thoughtful replies. Instead I usually find threads of vitriol that lead everywhere but to a better understanding of the topic at hand.
Let's raise the bar a little and leave the invectives outside!
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Jul 2, 2014 13:42:17   #
Thank you, Rumitoid, for an intelligent post. Your post encourages me to continue to read and participate in One Political Plaza, something the emotional, mean-spirited replies here do not do.
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Jun 30, 2014 11:56:42   #
I imagine Ann Coulter would be thrilled to see herself at the heated center of this or an other discussion. She's first and foremost an entertainer, and her job is to drive ratings for her show/network (thereby generating increasing advertising revenue). I find her comment on soccer just plain silly. Who, with any degree of intelligence, would take anything she says as anything but purposefully inflammatory nonsense? Where are the Walter Cronkites of news journalism?
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Jun 30, 2014 11:42:45   #
Thank you for a post that is actually thoughtful and intelligent. I was on the verge of un-subsribing to One Political Plaza because of all the uninformed/unintelligible rants that abound. Now I'll stick around a bit more and see if the landscape gets a little more truly informative.
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