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Oct 11, 2015 11:31:23   #
Doc110 wrote:
Judge Gives Atheist Gives Oversight Over Christians
http://www.wnd.com/2015/10/judge-gives-atheist-groups-oversight-over-christians/

6th Circuit orders case reconsidered in trial court

An appeals court ruled a district court judge must reconsider his order allowing two progressive groups, described by critics as atheist, to have oversight over the operations of a Christian foster care agency in  Kentucky.
The original ruling from Judge Charles R. Simpson III came in a years-long case brought by a couple of taxpayers who objected to the contracting of Sunrise Children’s Services to care for children in the custody of the state.
The case, filed in 2000, was in the courts in various forms over the years until recently, when Simpson approved an agreement reached between the plaintiffs and the state.

In the deal, Kentucky agreed to change some provisions of its standard contract for caring for children, such as telling the child if a foster home has a religious affiliation and requiring that children be given an opportunity to go to the church of their choice.

It also specifies that Kentucky “must provide the ACLU and Americans United [for Separation of Church and State] with information about the religious beliefs for all children in Sunrise’s care, the completed exit surveys for those children, any reports that the state’s caseworkers write about Sunrise, and records of any religious activities and Sunrise’s group homes.”

The deal essentially allows the two progressive groups oversight of Sunrise activities.

The problem is that Sunrise was cut out of the negotiations by the state and the plaintiffs, was not allowed any input, was not allowed to object and was provided no opportunity for a defense.

That, the ruling from the 6th Circuit Court said, failed to meet muster.
“Before entering a consent decree, a district court must determine, among other things, that the agreement is ‘fair, adequate, and reasonable, as well as consistent with the public interest,’” the ruling said.

“Moreover, the court must allow anyone affected by the decree to ‘present evidence and have its objections heard.’”

The state and the two organizations argued it was a private agreement, not technically a “consent decree,” so the requirements didn’t apply.
The appeals court called the argument “of a piece.”

“The district court mistakenly characterized the settlement as a private agreement and thus held that Sunrise had no right to object to it. … We will therefore remand this case for that purpose.”

The ruling continued: “We do flag one concern that the court did not consider. As a practical matter, the complaint’s allegations of wrongdoing are directed largely at Sunrise. Sunrise, in turn, has steadfastly denied any wrongdoing on its part, and for more than a decade of litigation, including to this day, has … sought a merits adjudication to clear its name.

“Meanwhile, over Sunrise’s objection, the consent degree singles out Sunrise by name for special monitoring by the ACLU and Americans United; and in doing so, Sunrise argues, the decree subjects Sunrise to unique repetitional harm.

“Thus, the decree denies Sunrise a chance to clear its name – and instead, over Sunrise’s objection, imposes the very repetitional harm that Sunrise sought to avoid by means of 15 years of litigation.”

The plaintiffs’ original concern was that the contract between the state and the foster care agency violated the Constitution’s Establishment Clause concerning separation of church and state.

The appeals judges said a deal that did not explicitly single out Sunrise might be different.
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I have known about Americans United for decades. They are not now nor have they ever been an atheist organization. I'll let their website speak for itself.

https://www.au.org/about/our-history

The ACLU seems like it is full of a bunch of atheists, but it is not their goal or function to speak as a representative of atheist thought, but rather as defenders of the Bill of Rights. Now I know many of you think us atheists just want to get prayer out of schools and take your Creches out of the town square. That's not the point. If you aren't a Christian, and about one quarter of us are not, you shouldn't have to pay for someone else's Creche. You shouldn't have a teacher proselyting your children with their particular brand of religion. Not if your a taxpayer. I am. Go ahead and put a manger in your front yard. I don't care. Pray all you want ( I think you're talking to yourself) just don't force my kid to pray and we will be fine with each other. And if your a Muslim, don't try and take my ham sandwiches off the school menu, okay?
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Oct 7, 2015 09:39:51   #
Kevyn wrote:
I found this to be a pretty accurate summary of the views and goals of many on the right especialy many of you on OPP. Do you agree? if not why?

by Chip Berlet & Margaret Quigley
(revised)
As the United States slides into the twenty-first century, the major mass movements challenging the bipartisan status quo are not found on the left of the political spectrum, but on the right. The resurgent right contains several strands woven together around common themes and goals. There is the electoral activism of the religious fundamentalist movements; the militant anti-government populism of the armed militia movement; and the murderous terrorism of the neonazi underground--from which the bombing the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City emerged.
It is easy to see the dangers to democracy posed by vigilante forces such as armed militias, and the extrteme right including neonazis, and racist skinheads. However, hard right forces such as dogmatic religious movements, regressive populism, and White racial nationalism also are attacking democratic values in our country.

The best known sector of the hard right--dogmatic religious movements--is often called the "Religious Right" It substantially dominates the Republican Party in at least 10 (and perhaps as many as 30) of the 50 states. As part of an aggressive grassroots campaign, these groups have targeted electoral races from school boards to state legislatures to campaigns for the US Senate and House of Representatives. They helped elect dozens of hard-line ultraconservatives to the House of Representatives in 1994. This successful social movement politically mobilizes a traditionalist mass base from a growing pious constituency of evangelical, fundamentalist, charismatic, Pentecostal, and orthodox churchgoers.

The goal of many leaders of this ultraconservative religious movement is imposing a narrow theological agenda on secular society. The predominantly Christian leadership envisions a religiously-based authoritarian society; therefore we prefer to describe this movement as the "theocratic right." A theocrat is someone who supports a form of government where the actions of leaders are seen as sanctioned by God--where the leaders claim they are carrying out God's will. The central threat to democracy posed by the theocratic right is not that its leaders are religious, or fundamentalist, or right wing--but that they justify their political, legislative, and regulatory agenda as fulfilling God's plan.

Along with the theocratic right, two other hard right political movements pose a grave threat to democracy: regressive populism, typified by diverse groups ranging from members of the John Birch Society out to members of the patriot and armed militia movements; and White racial nationalism, promoted by Pat Buchanan and his shadow, David Duke of Louisiana.

The theocratic right, regressive populism, and White racial nationalism make up a hard right political sector that is distinct from and sometimes in opposition to mainstream Republicanism and the internationalist wing of corporate conservatism.

Finally, there is the militant, overtly racist extreme right that includes the open White supremacists, Ku Klux Klan members, Christian Patriots, racist skinheads, neonazis, and right-wing revolutionaries. Although numerically smaller, the extreme right is a serious political factor in some rural areas, and its propaganda promoting violence reaches into major metropolitan centers where it encourages alienated young people to commit hate crimes against people of color, Jews, and gays and lesbians, among other targets. The electoral efforts of Buchanan and Duke serve as a bridge between the ultraconservative hard right and the extreme right movements. The armed militia movement is a confluence of regressive populism, White racial nationalism, and the racist and antisemitic extreme right.

All four of these hard right activist movements are antidemocratic in nature, promoting in various combinations and to varying degrees authoritarianism, xenophobia, conspiracist theories, nativism, racism, sexism, homophobia, antisemitism, demagoguery, and scapegoating. Each wing of the antidemocratic right has a slightly different vision of the ideal nation.
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I am a libertarian, which, for the most part, finds me aligned with the right. Our credo is: Never initiate force on another. It's why I could NEVER be aligned with the left. At every turn, they want to steal from me at the point of a gun. "Not true!" you lefties (which I find offensive since I am left handed) say? What happens if I don't pay the taxes you steal from me and give to others. Someone from the government comes to my house with a gun and takes me to jail.

Now to the charge I am racist. I have been a manager for decades now. I have hired hundreds of people. I have had exactly 3 blacks apply for jobs in all that time. I hired 2. One stole from the company I managed and I fired him. The other just didn't show up one day, and never came back. Que Sera Sera.

Homophobic? I have many gay acquaintances, and a couple I call friends. I would never consider imposing my sexual preferences on them and only ask the same respect in return. Just don't try to get government money from me to promote your agenda.

Guns? The Second Amendment is there not to let me kill Bambi, or to protect my home against criminals. It is there to protect me from a thuggish government. Unfortunately, that is no longer possible unless I am able to fashion my own atomic bomb. But I hope you and others of your ilk remember when you come to take my guns, I have guns.

Theocracy? It doesn't apply to me personally since I am an atheist, but I will go with what Ben Carson said on the subject. I will vote for them if they subjugate their religious preferences to the U.S. Constitution!

Racism? Are you kidding? It is almost considered blasphemous to be happy you are white. We are automatically assumed to be racist BECAUSE we are white. It is like assuming one cannot be racist if they are black. Anyone who has heard Louis Farrakhan speak knows that isn't true.

Anti-democratic? You betcha. We are not a democracy. We are a representative constitutional republic. Big difference! A democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. It is 50% plus one vote stealing from 50% minus one vote. Quit stealing from me at the point of a gun, okay?

Xenophobic? A little xenophobia may have been in order before those 19 hijackers flew those jets into the twin towers. Oh, I forgot, I am a conspiracy theorist. George Bush had them flown into the World Trade Center. Oops, that's a left-wing conspiracy nut theory. Sorry.

Sexism? Yes, I'm a sexist. I open the door for a woman. I wait to shake hands until it is offered. I watch my language. If they can dig a ditch alongside me, I'll give them a job at the same rate of pay as the men. If they can't, they should find something different to do.

Anti-semitism? Really? Your lefty president has done everything he can to undermine Israel. The only support the Jews have is from the right (at least openly) and from democratic Jews under the table. I personally don't want you giving anyone MY money. Even the Jews. If I want to, I'll give them my money.

The most laughable criticism is scapegoating. Barack has spent the last six years blaming W. for EVERYTHING, except Benghazi, which he blamed on a video. LOL!

The other "isms" follow the same track. Specious, untrue, circular arguments and just plain nonsense (B.S.). You on the left equate us wanting to give to the charity of our choice as racist. You feel it is not only your right, but your obligation to steal from us and give to the person of YOUR choice. We on the right are stockpiling our arms and ammunition for the day you try to take them by force. Be careful. You may find you have unwilling allies in the military and police who will not take up arms against their friends and neighbors.

You better quit poking the bear before it is too late.
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Oct 1, 2015 12:20:38   #
Ve'hoe wrote:
Man,,, if this is Jimmy Hoffas kid,,, maybe jimmy just wandered off and got lost..... this guy is an imbecile....

"In a joint letter, James P. Hoffa of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, Joseph Hansen of the UFCW and D. Taylor of UNITE-HERE state that Obamacare will “destroy the 40 hour work week that is the backbone of the American middle class” and “destroy the very health and wellbeing of our members along with millions of other hardworking Americans.” And they highlight their buyer’s remorse:
Quit Bashing Obama!
Please read, there is truth to what it says !!

by COL. ROBERT F. CUNNINGHAM and PATRICK RISHOR,
The Gilmer Mirror (Northeast Texas Newspaper)

Quit trashing Obama's accomplishments.
He has done more than any other President before him.
Here is a list of his impressive accomplishments:

1. First President to be photographed smoking a joint.

2. First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.

3. First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.

4. First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States.

5. First President to violate the War Powers Act.

6. First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

7. First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.

8. First President to spend a trillion dollars on "shovel-ready" jobs when there was no such thing as "shovel-ready" jobs.

9. First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.

10. First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.

11. First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S., including those with criminal convictions.

12. First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.

13. First President to tell a CEO of a major corporation (Chrysler) to resign.

14. First President to terminate America’s ability to put a man in space.

15. First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.

16. First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.

17. First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.

18. First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons for their rate increases.

19. First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.

20. First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).

21. First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.

22. First President to actively try to bankrupt an American industry (coal).

23. First President to fire an inspector general of AmeriCorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.

24. First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.

25. First President to surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.

26. First President to golf more than 150 separate times in his five years in office.

27. First President to hide his birth, medical, educational and travel records.

28. First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.

29. First President to go on multiple "global apology tours" and concurrent "insult our friends" tours.

30. First President to go on over 17 lavish vacations, in addition to date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by the taxpayers.

31. First President to have personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.

32. First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.

33. First President to fly in a personal trainer from Chicago at least once a week at taxpayer expense.

34. First President to repeat the Quran and tell us the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth.

35. First President to side with a foreign nation over one of the American 50 states (Mexico vs Arizona).

36. First President to tell the military men and women that they should pay for their own private insurance because they "volunteered to go to war and knew the consequences."

37. Then he was the First President to tell the members of the military that THEY were UNPATRIOTIC for balking at the last suggestion.

I feel much better now. I had been under the impression he hadn't been doing ANYTHING.

To be part of the solution, pass this forward.

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We have been strong supporters of the notion that all Americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. We have also been strong supporters of you. In campaign after campaign we have put boots on the ground, gone door-to-door to get out the vote, run phone banks and raised money to secure this vision. Now this vision has come back to haunt us."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/07/19/the-insiders-obamacare-is-falling-apart/


DDDDUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
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Sep 20, 2015 08:09:15   #
okie don wrote:
There are three basic forms of governance:
Monarchy: Aristocracy and Democracy. Of TGE 3 Democracy leads to Tyranny per Plato in his 'Republic'.
We're damn sure facing a tyranical government.
LIKE the 'Police State' that's evolved???

I think you forgot the form of government you are living under. A Constitutional Republic. Democracy is horrid on the face of it. It is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. Or 50% plus one stealing my bed by voting fiat to rest their head!
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Sep 2, 2015 22:10:54   #
I think Mr. Farrakhan may be on to something. He states they should retaliate against those who kill them. Well, most people who kill black people are black. Go ahead Louis!
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Aug 5, 2015 09:51:19   #
Evangel wrote:
There is a a correlation between child sacrifice and modern-day abortion. Unprecedented numbers of children have been “sacrificed” at the hands of abortionists for the sake of convenience, immorality, or pride. Hundreds of thousands of babies have been killed so that their parents can maintain a certain lifestyle. God hates “hands that shed innocent blood” (Proverbs 6:17), and we can be sure that God will judge this horrendous sin.God prohibited Israel from child sacrifice in general and Molech worship in particular. Leviticus 20:2-5 states, “Say to the Israelites: ‘Any Israelite or any foreigner residing in Israel who sacrifices any of his children to Molek is to be put to death. The members of the community are to stone him. I myself will set my face against him and will cut him off from his people; for by sacrificing his children to Molek, he has defiled my sanctuary and profaned my holy name. If the members of the community close their eyes when that man sacrifices one of his children to Molek and if they fail to put him to death, I myself will set my face against him and his family and will cut them off from their people together with all who follow him in prostituting themselves to Molek.’” Many other Old Testament passages affirm God’s zero-tolerance for child sacrifice.Child sacrifice was one reason for the Babylonian captivity (verse 36).Jeremiah 32:35King James Version (KJV)

35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin. http://www.gotquestions.org/child-sacrifice.html
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All the religious stuff aside, it took me years to reconcile my libertarian beliefs and a women's right to choose with the sickening knowledge that abortion is murder. The argument by the "pro-choicers" has always been, "It's my body!". Well, no, it's not. A simple DNA test will attest to that. That mass of cells you so blithely exterminate is an individual, and you are violating it.
I still have philosophical questions about the spawn of rapists, so if someone has a libertarian answer to that, let me know.
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Jul 9, 2015 11:27:11   #
Sicilianthing wrote:
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He'll wake up when they come BANGING on the DOOR to take his GOLD & CASH !

HINT ! ! !


I hope they remember when they come to take our guns, we have guns!
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Jul 2, 2015 06:52:40   #
jelun wrote:
Isn't everyone in contempt of Congress?
You should really observe the copyright rights of the people whose articles you post, don't you think?
I would have done it for you, but naturally, the same piece is printed in several sources.
http://www.goodsearch.com/search-web?utf8=%E2%9C%93&keywords=Attorney+In+Charge+of+Releasing+Lois+Lerner+%22Lost%22+Emails+Now+In+Charge+of+Hillary+Clinton%27s+Emails.&button=


So your answer isn't that Lois isn't a criminal, it's that another poster is! Your powers of obfuscation and deceit are on full today. Must be the full moon.
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Jun 28, 2015 10:25:26   #
Anonymous wrote:
What has the supreme court done? Please tell me, what do you think is going to happen because gay marreige is legal? Tell me how 'cause and effect' are going to be relevant in anything bad happening? What are people going to do? Are they going to start a revolution because gay marraige is legal? You think the majority of our nation is suddenly going to change their minds? Or you going to try and kill %70 of your own nation and claim its "justice." Because you just hate gays that much? They are so evil, you killed 200,000,000 people, women and children so that gays cant get married. Tell me what exactly you think is going to happen? You going to convince the majority of the country to be homophobic like you?

Its over. Gay marreige is legal. Deal with it.
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Your diatribe truly was incomprehensible. The numbers were meaningless, the sentence structure poor, and there was no argument. That being said, this whole gay marriage thing is about taxes. Pure and simple. Giving another strong, noisy, yet small lobbying group more free stuff. Well, guess who's going to pay for it?
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Jun 27, 2015 06:43:39   #
Kevyn wrote:
You posted this after you posted a picture of your black president eating fried chicken.


See? That's the difference between you and us. He posted a picture of the President with a horrid lying racist, and you saw him eating fried chicken. Who's the racist? I'm so white I glow in the dark, and I love fried chicken.
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Jun 25, 2015 07:09:19   #
jelun wrote:
https://www.stormfront.org/forum/index.php

http://www.nsm88.org/

http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/domestic-extremism-terrorism/c/selected-white-supremacist.html#.VYvXF7NQ2Fc

http://archive.adl.org/learn/felton/thule.html

Do whites really believe this? Yes. HAHA.
http://conservative-headlines.com/index.php?s=black+on+white+crime


Really? You quote socialists to make your point? They are on YOUR side.
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Jun 25, 2015 06:18:37   #
jelun wrote:
It is white Americans who are licking their chops at the thought of a race war. Just read the posts here and on RWNJs' website.
Then come back and talk about who is ratcheting up the heat.

Really? Did you watch the video? Have you seen any whites using this rhetoric in public except perhaps at a KKK rally? And those people need police protection to exercise their first amendment rights!
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Jun 25, 2015 06:09:52   #
I really don't think this Shabazz character has any idea how well armed white America is! I, personally, would never initiate force against another, but if he comes walking into my neighborhood with a gun, he is in for a big and terrible surprise. I don't know the statistics off the top of my head, but they are about 12 percent of the population with maybe 5 percent of the guns. And, I'll bet, 2 percent of the ammo. I have some "cracker" friends with thousands of rounds of ammunition, and a desire for target practice. Oh, no, Mr. Shabazz, a race war with us in America would be a very foolish thing indeed.
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Jun 17, 2015 06:57:43   #
Sicilianthing wrote:
Witness the Trickery & Deceit in the compromised rules process and procedures...

3 Patriots doing their job to save the Republic only to be punished by the TRAITOR RINOS !


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After a group of Republicans nearly scuttled the Obama trade effort last week by voting against a procedural rule dictating the debate terms for the trade bill, House leadership is pushing back.

National Journal reports that House leadership has removed three of the dissenting members from the GOP whip team.

Reps. Rep. Cynthia Lummis (R-WY),
Rep. Steve Pearce (R-NM), and
Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ)

have been removed from the whip team after they sided with GOP rebels to vote against a rule governing debate on a trade bill, according to sources close to the team.

The repercussions come as House Republicans prepare for another procedural vote to bring back Trade Adjustment Assistance — a key portion of the Obama trade effort to pass Trade Promotion Authority (TPA), which would grant the president fast-track authority to negotiate trade deals — as late as July 30. -

See more at: http://americanactionnews.com/articles/gop-leadership-demotes-obamatrade-dissenters#.dpuf
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The beatings will continue until moral improves.
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Jun 14, 2015 15:26:55   #
Steve700 wrote:
To try and say that because I can't understand something does not mean it's Not true is ridiculous. It's not that I don't understand it, but rather that the slow process of evolution, lacking the intelligent design of the Creator God is impossible and ridiculous to develop flying creatures I understand it is impossible, and that leaves only creation by an intelligent designer God as the only remaining possibility. I know about your philosophical No No's of legitimate debate. It is you who uses number 7 & 8 below to enable the nonthinking leftist to continue in the folly of denying the God whom they hate and fear, & believing in the Marxist humanist religious faith of the liberal.

1) Argumentum Ad Hominem
2) Red Herring
3) Non Sequitor
4) Bald Assertion
5) Ad Hoc
6) Argumentum Ad Nauseum
7) Appeal to Faith
8) Appeal to Emotion
9) Shifting the Burden of Proof
10) Argumentum Ad Ignorantiam
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How deliciously ironic is your little follow up poster. It is how the religious have dealt with the rational for millennia. Beat them, torture them, kill them into belief. I'm not afraid of anything, because I KNOW I am going to die and that will be that. No heaven, no hell, no other nonsense trying to frighten children into behaving. I don't need it. I behave because it is the rational way to deal with my fellow man. If I miss-behave toward him he will respond in kind. The irrational man is the one who miss-behaves. He usually gets his because people respond appropriately.
As for those evolutionary jumps you say are impossible ton explain without an intelligent creator, Why are a cats eyes so much better than ours? Why are only a few cells dedicated to light detection on an earthworm. Why didn't your god give US the best eyes? I'll tell you why. There is no such thing.
P.S. I abhor communism.
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