Steve700

If evolution is for real and there is no creative intelligence (God) directing it, please explain to me how the huge array of flying creatures, both birds and bugs, came to be. Could it really be that with no intelligence guiding the evolutionary process, these wings began to slowly develop from tiny little nubs, (that appeared for no reason) over millions of years into the myriad of varieties, each perfectly suited to each creatures lifestyle ??? Take for instance the non-aerodynamic bumblebee that we cannot figure out how it is able to fly with its body size & weight ratio. Or the hummingbird that can stay stationary or even fly backwards and whose wings flap at the rate of 600 beats per seconds & how about that Eagle who flies for hours so high you can't even see them, without the need to it's wings. How could & why would these earlier flap even undeveloped appendages continue to develop and refine themselves over a period of millions of years without any intelligent design ?????????????. Your thinking and that of the atheist evolutionists is totally ludicrous and obvious Bull Shit. Is it not totally obvious to you that wings Can Not be slowly developing from purposeless & useless appendages into multitudes of aerodynamically perfected designs for each over long periods of time without intelligent design ??? (For you Libtards, that means without God) This one question is a really big deal, because when godless evolution is disproven, so also is any assumption of the correctness or validity of leftism.
And here's a little something for you God deniers, that uses science to give absolute positive proof of God's existence & of His creation by way of it's astounding complexity, specialization & interdependence: http://worldtocome.org/does-god-exist-many-absolute-proofs-part-3?cid=WTC0154a&utm_source=getresponse&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wtc_video&utm_content=New+Online+Video%3A+%22God+Exists--Many+Absolute+PROOFS%21+%28Part+3%29%22

There is not one scientific evolutionist in this entire world that is able to explain away my one simple evolution destroying fact.

Steve700

These silly godless degenerate party people heard there was a Democratic Party, so they joined for the fun and the party favors that were being given out. Self-deluded pathological liars all, & all about suppressing truth


Don't tell me this is an accident, while God is showing you His Existance & His Creative Magnificence through the incredible variety of interdependent types of life

gairman

[quote=Steve700]If evolution is for real and there is no creative intelligence (God) directing it, please explain to me how the huge array of flying creatures, both birds and bugs, came to be. Could it really be that with no intelligence guiding the evolutionary process, these wings began to slowly develop from tiny little nubs, (that appeared for no reason) over millions of years into the myriad of varieties, each perfectly suited to each creatures lifestyle ??? Take for instance the non-aerodynamic bumblebee that we cannot figure out how it is able to fly with its body size & weight ratio. Or the hummingbird that can stay stationary or even fly backwards and whose wings flap at the rate of 600 beats per seconds & how about that Eagle who flies for hours so high you can't even see them, without the need to it's wings. How could & why would these earlier flap even undeveloped appendages continue to develop and refine themselves over a period of millions of years without any intelligent design ?????????????. Your thinking and that of the atheist evolutionists is totally ludicrous and obvious Bull Shit. Is it not totally obvious to you that wings Can Not be slowly developing from purposeless & useless appendages into multitudes of aerodynamically perfected designs for each over long periods of time without intelligent design ??? (For you Libtards, that means without God) This one question is a really big deal, because when godless evolution is disproven, so also is any assumption of the correctness or validity of leftism.
And here's a little something for you God deniers, that uses science to give absolute positive proof of God's existence & of His creation by way of it's astounding complexity, specialization & interdependence: http://worldtocome.org/does-god-exist-many-absolute-proofs-part-3?cid=WTC0154a&utm_source=getresponse&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=wtc_video&utm_content=New+Online+Video%3A+%22God+Exists--Many+Absolute+PROOFS%21+%28Part+3%29%22

There is not one scientific evolutionist in this entire world that is able to explain away my one simple evolution destroying fact.[/quo
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This universe happening by chance on it's own is the most absurd thing I'v ever heard. So I hear ya!

dwallace2015

Well, that just raises the issue of how "God" evolved. Or did he just pop into existence fully formed, or did he somehow "Always exist" even before our universe was made? Either by god or some evolutionary process like the "Big Bang" for instance? How does something so all encompassing and perfect come into being without "God" also having a much greater "GOD" having created it? Sort of raises some big questions doesn't it?
That is why I am agnostic. I am not smart enough to know (and say) that "God" either exists or doesn't. I have yet to see any compelling evidence one way or another. I keep looking, but nothing seems to come of it. If you have some evidence we should look at, then produce it so we can judge it's validity. And, don't give me any shit about faith. Faith is just the propaganda that religion lays on us to make us believe their own personal take on existence. Faith won't fill your dinner plate.

gairman

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God does not exist in time and space as we do. He created it for us and He has always existed in an extra dimensional form. What we see is only a small part of what exists. Even in our own dimension we can not see the full spectrum of light and energy and their are other dimensions or what some would call spiritual realms. That is why prophecy in His word was accurate because not restricted by time He could see the end from the beginning. Ask Him sincerely to show Himself to be real and He will. He won't in a physical form because He said it would kill us in the flesh to look at Him because he is absolute power and purity which would consume us but He will show Himself in other ways. He did for me and many others.

JW

Consider the flying squirrel. It doesn't fly as such but it glides safely, hundreds of feet through the forest to get from one tree to another. It does so with nothing more than flaps of loose skin that run down its sides which it stretches taut after launching itself into the air.

Now imagine that you have 50,000 years to observe him and the generations he produces. During that time, imagine that the continents shift a bit and the ocean currents change causing North America to change from thick forests to open savannas.

As the forests thinned out, the trees grew farther apart and the flying squirrels had to perfect their gliding abilities to cope with the distances. Eventually, the trees would be too far apart and the squirrels would need to go part of the way on the ground.

Foxes are not stupid. They would eventually understand that they could catch a quick meal if they paid attention to the squirrels launching themselves. The ones who could not manage to glide the full distance would soon be gone. The farther the trees got from one another, some of the succeeding generations would learn how to extend the glide. All the while, those unable would become fox snacks.

Flapping one's arms is a natural reaction to falling. When the trees got too far apart for any gliding, flapping would already be a practiced behavior. Flapping makes for powered flight.

The loose skin on flying squirrels already attaches from front foot to back foot. Flapping is already possible but not necessary. There would necessarily be some minor physiological changes as the generations passed into history.

Birds, bats and pterosaurs all developed elongated front limbs once powered flight became routine for them. Bats can still walk on all fours where they need to.

Nature, natural selection, and normal biological variability within a species makes the process a certainty.

I am an agnostic. I have my reasons for being so. I don't believe in magic, neither Godly nor scientific. There may be a God or there may not be but it is eminently clear that evolution is a fact. What started it, what guides it, is for each to decide for himself but the process is undeniable.

Loki Loc: Georgia

You have just described minor changes within one species. A flying squirrel is still a flying squirrel, albeit an improved version. Perhaps you can explain how one-celled creatures became complex invertebrates. There are pre-Cambrian fossils of single cell organisms. There are millions of Cambrian fossils. There do not seem to be any transitional fossils to provide an explanation of how we got from point "A" to point "B." The same can be said for invertebrate to vertebrate life forms. Sometime between the beginning of the Silurian Period and the beginning of the Devonian Period, somebody grew a backbone, not to mention the rest of an endo, rather than an exo-skeleton. I guess the transitional fossils for that little earth-changing event got misplaced somewhere also.
While amphibians and reptiles may be superficially similar, they are actually very different creatures. How one evolved from the other is once more, lots of educated guesses presented as proven fact.

The problem with evolution independent of some sort of guidance is that it is so unlikely as to be a mathematical impossibility. This inconvenient fact has been swept under the rug so efficiently that it is hardly a subject for discussion anymore.
Science which claims such open-minded inquiry has closed the possibility that intelligent design is a more likely scenario than pure chance.
While evolution is a fact, much of the nuts and bolts of the process are little more than guesswork. There is nothing wrong with guesswork,as long as it is clearly delineated as being such. Presenting wishful thinking as proven fact is contrary to the spirit of scientific inquiry.

chloe815

Read the BIBLE GAIRMAN Learn the truth for once in your LIFE

JW

Actually, what I demonstrated was the illusion of intelligent design. Were you to observe the squirrel 50,000 years hence, you would note how superbly it was adapted to its environment and be certain it could not have happened without deliberate guidance.

There are many transitional fossils that have been found, certainly not all of them but enough to make the process plain. Whales are just one example where the transition from land to aquatic is fully documented.

There are numerous examples of still living creatures that exhibit transitional characteristics. The platipus, an aquatic, egg laying mammal for one, certain gheckos and salamanders and of course, frogs, that demonstrate the transition from aquatic to land dwelling capability. There are lungfish and mud skippers and there are bottom dwelling ocean fish that walk rather than swim.

There are clear fossil examples showing the transition from exo to endo skeletons in fish.

There are sufficient examples of species variation, cats, for example, that while distinct in themselves, remain closely enough related to interbreed. The weasel family is another in which numerous members have opted for very different lifestyles.

gairman

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What's your point,what did I say that you disagree with? I have probably read the bible more then you have and i believe whole heartily it is the word of God. Did you only skim over what I wrote?

Steve700

God did not just pop into existence. Just like time and space and the laws of physics He was always there. Because he is time and space and the laws of physics, as well as reality and the creative consciousness and expression of it all, the universe and beyond, different dimensions and all. Beyond the scope of your little wrinkled pea brain. If you would study Bible fulfilled and fulfilling Bible prophecies, you would know not only that God & the Bible are real, as well as a timeline and sequence of events to watch as our world turns to shit as the end time prophecies become fulfilled.

Steve700

Evolution only has partial evidence, and is mostly conjecture in theory. There is so much missing & it is clear we were never any kind of ape. They are totally different creatures. The point of my article is that all the flying birds and insects could not have come about by a slow accidental process of evolution. And you cannot say that it did without portraying yourself is crazy.

Steve700

That's God showing you that He exists and His creative mastery. Evolution may give plausible explanations to many things, but not the huge variety of highly specialized flying creatures. I can see the evolutionist's mid-level evolutionary stage of the bird. There he is, for millions of years with these odd and useless & purposeless half formed accidental appendages, flapping them for millions of years, for no reason and having no effect. What an absurd picture. Use your brain and look at what you're thinking. For even that mid-level half bird to exist for obvious reasons is an absurdity that would never happen. Remember if you are saying there is no God, so there is no deliberate intelligent designing of what will become a bird. And obviously slowly evolving into bird (much less the myriad of flying creatures) just happening by accident or natural selection is an obvious absurdity.

You might get this with your theory of evolution, but you could never get a bird d the most variety of enter dependence forms of life.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

Please explain to us all, why your opinion matters. Just because you don't agree with it matters? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

MatthewlovesAyn Loc: Ohio

What you are doing actually has a philosophical name. It is called, "The proof of personal incredulity". Check it out.