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Jan 3, 2018 10:53:27   #
Super Dave wrote:
It's science.


So are the facts on global warming. There's proof in many different areas, not just glaciers, and as far as that goes its the melting of perennial inner core glaciers that is significant, not yearly snowfall.
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Jan 3, 2018 10:49:53   #
mwdegutis wrote:
CAN'T YOU READ? It's from "Investors Business Daily ~ February 19, 2015" and the WOMAN'S name is Christiana Figueres, who was the executive secretary of U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change when the 2015 article was posted.


Why get so irritated over a simple question? Thank you btw
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Jan 3, 2018 10:42:57   #
archie bunker wrote:
Do you own a car? Or to not ever ride in a plane? And, who would build, and manage high speed rail here? The government?


Not this argument, really? Did I say not to use oil at all...did I, or to ever fly in a plane? Try and be somewhat reasonable here. No worries, there will still be a need for your oil mongers to still be producing, just at a decrease, which is why they push their propaganda.

Archie have you ever considered how they block progress. Wouldn't you like industry to simply be responsible for their own waste, seems to make sense to me? You've told us you do your part, I'm just saying they should do theirs too.

No, I'm not saying the government, I wish some capitalists or entrepreneurs would step up, I'm not sure whats preventing it, maybe the undertaking is too large, I'm not sure.
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Jan 3, 2018 10:33:06   #
mwdegutis wrote:
Nice deflection. So how do you refute that the former executive secretary of U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism - whether you call it true capitalism or not Petey boy?


Thought you didn't believe anything from the U.N.? What is this mans name you speak of I'd like to look him up?
There are about 135 countries worldwide and 97-98%of environmental scientists that acknowledge man-made impact to global warming, not climate "change" BS.
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Jan 3, 2018 10:19:47   #
PeterS wrote:
By using the same data that less than super dave provided me with. The planet has lost more ice in the past 50 years then the past 10,000 years. Either the sun has gotten awfully GD hot, or there are abnormal volcanoes going off over the same period of time, or there is a non natural reason for the planet to be heating up. Now it may be aliens doing a slow roast on us or mans activities are in the process of destroying this planet. Climate change is natural. Fast climate change isn't.

And lets get real--the only reason conservative even debate climate change is because it they admit it's true they think they may have to either open their wallets to help solve it or give up their wonderful life. So this isn't about climate change this is about conservative paranoia of having to alter their lives...
By using the same data that less than super dave p... (show quote)


ExactltyPeter, it's conservative paranoia, they're afraid of us moving away from oil. it's all about us being owned by the oil cartel. Why else do other countries have highspeed rails while our dominant transportation is oil dependent, cars, and planes?
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Jan 2, 2018 22:29:36   #
PoppaGringo wrote:
Weather affects climate.



Climate effects weather...
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Jan 2, 2018 22:26:56   #
ldsuttonjr wrote:
jonnymotie: Don't tell me you live in Venezuela? Don't pump that kind of shit on this site! You can blame the growing serfs on the democrats mantra to put them, and keep them on the Plantation thus guaranteeing their vote for the socialist kingdom! Unlike socialism, capitalism does not rely on fear. Capitalism relies on belief, belief in the inexhaustible creativity of free persons. But then and again that is completely above your reasoning!!!!!!!

The difference between capitalism and welfare mentality. When you buy something, you put money in people’s pockets, and give them dignity for
their skills. When you give someone something for nothing, you rob them of their dignity and self worth.

Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of value.

Socialism is taking your money against your will and shoving something down
others throats and worse even your throat that you never asked for. But again you can't seem to understand that!!!!!
jonnymotie: Don't tell me you live in Venezuela? ... (show quote)




You may be correct Socialism may take from the rich to give to the poor,
whereas capitalism ideology is to take from the poor and give to the rich.

One works like a village the other a predator.
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Jan 2, 2018 22:10:20   #
PoppaGringo wrote:
Murdoch owns Fox. What is your point?


That's the extent of your research, well that explains a lot from the base of the right go back to sleep Pop, it's all good.ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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Jan 2, 2018 22:01:23   #
lindajoy wrote:
What part of this reply do you not understand??
Now be sure to read it slowly.. Do you not remember question?? Perhaps you would like to review your own question to refresh your yourself/ post.. Hint~ the first question you asked me..

~” To answer you, yes, I will continue to challenge your assertion..“

As to the rest, aren’t we lucky our posts speak for themself????
The twist and deflection astounding???.. No, not at all..




You are so completely full of it... it's amazing, this was my only question to you...

"You're the one bringing up the LIE which I felt compelled to address, and again(second) where is this so-called historical record and by whom?

I am the one who challenged YOU, not the other way around as anyone can read in my response to you. By the way, you never did answer my actual question, this is the THIRD time I'm asking you.

where is this so-called historical record and by whom?

And yes our posts DO speak for themselves, especially yours. "Oh the web we weave" ...
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Jan 2, 2018 21:11:54   #
PoppaGringo wrote:
Yep, they shut down the debates because those pesky facts kept getting in the way of their suppositions.


They shut them down due to the gag order from Trump and his administration. The sign of a true dictator.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:25:16   #
Happishark wrote:
I'm a liberal Democrat, and I'm very grateful I live in the USA. And I am appalled by the name-calling and mean-spirited invective I've heard/read from both Dems and Republicans, on this site and elsewhere. People who can't listen respectfully to and exchange ideas with those whose opinions diverge from their own--people who loudly proclaim that those who disagree with them are stupid, ignorant, demented, or evil--are the biggest threat to both democracy and prosperity in this country.


Well said and the truth
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Jan 2, 2018 19:23:37   #
ldsuttonjr wrote:
happishark: If you're a liberal democrat! Then you are part of the biggest threat to our Democrat Republic and it's prosperity!!!!!



No, the biggest threat comes from people who share your attitude.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:17:48   #
proud republican wrote:
Free speech is alive and well on here,,,I get it..But where do you draw the line between free speech and total absolute hate for our President and people who voted for him??? Be glad that you live in this country and not in Venezuela or NOKO or other communist countries...because if you did, what you say about our President would land you in prison or worse....And you Dems and ignorant lefties on OPP want our country to become communist/socialist,,,Thank God for President Trump!!!


People on the left don't believe or follow communism or socialism, that's your own private little delusion you've been fed and you've gobbled it up hook line and sinker. You speak of stopping the hate and then make a hateful comment of the left being ignorant...the hate comes from you.
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Jan 2, 2018 19:03:54   #
Homestead wrote:
Here's a post from Keven:
"Your Post wasn’t insulting it was misleading the president isn’t a suspected liar he is a proven liar, try that heading."

This is an accusation, an unsubstantiated accusation.
No list of lies is attached.
No explanation as to what constitutes a lie.
No comparison to other presidents, as to why their statements are acceptable, even when proven wrong, but, Trumps is not, even when he has been proven correct.

As if no other president said anything questionable during their presidency.

This is a post that begs for an insult, as it is unreasonable and antagonistic.

Yet, Keven is allowed to make these unsubstantiated and unsupported slams against Trump, while the rest of us have to keep our mouths shut and pretend that he's actually said something.

Let's see you start deleting his responses.
Here's a post from Keven: br "Your Post wasn’... (show quote)



Maybe this is why there's confusion, you don't know what a lie is. Funny though if we suggest to go to fact-check, you most likely would call them the liars.
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Jan 2, 2018 18:55:25   #
lindajoy wrote:
I asked if you were saying it’s ok to bomb us because the ships were old, did I not?? Don’t put words to my post that are not there..

This is exactly what You said:

Morgan wrote:
One reason we wanted Hawaii as a state was to have a home base for a Pacific fleet. Most of the ships bombed were simply docked at home for maintenance and were older WW1 ships. just saying

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If what your trying to now twist was true you could have stopped at saying;having a home base for our pacific fleet..

You,however, gave every indication with the rest of the bs that the ships bombed were simply docked for maintenance-and old .. just exactly what did you mean by that excuse to have been boomed, Just saying?????? Pppfffttttt

And btw whoever said Roosevelt had them there to purposely have them struck down??

No, never mind please do not reply!!!
I need a swim in this gorgeous beach resort we are docked at for awhile..

God knows it’s beautiful here and it’s history something you can not excuse...bombed old ships here for maintenance~ yeahhhh right!!!
I asked if you were saying it’s ok to bomb us beca... (show quote)


I already posted what I said and I NEVER said he bombed old ships for maintenance! What an idiot statement. How did you even arrive at that conclusion is beyond me. Stop talking please, you have no comprehension what so ever. Why don't you try reading the posts before commenting?

Good, take a nice long swim. If you on a fantastic vacation why the he** are you on OPP? Geeez ...I know I wouldn't be.
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