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Many, many years ago, my father taught me something.

He said that when a man acts with bravery, he has earned the right to be called brave.
Anyone that denies him that which he has earned, is in the wrong.
By what right is a man denied that which he has earned?
Who gave them that right to deny the man his accomplishments?

When a man acts with heroism, he has earned the right to be called a hero.
Anyone that denies him that which he has earned, is in the wrong.
By what right is a man denied that which he has earned?
Who gave them that right to deny the man his accomplishments?


When a man acts with generosity, he has earned the right to be called generous.
Anyone that denies him that which he has earned, is in the wrong.
By what right is a man denied that which he has earned?
Who gave them that right to deny the man his accomplishments?

When a man acts with wisdom, he has earned the right to be called wise.
Anyone that denies him that which he has earned, is in the wrong.
By what right is a man denied that which he has earned?
Who gave them that right to deny the man his accomplishments?

The world doesn't seem to have a problem with this...................................UNTIL!

What happens when a man acts with stupidity?

Has he not earned the right to be called stupid?

By what right do you deny a person that which he has worked for and rightfully earned?

If a person does not wish that which he has worked for, should he not work for something else?

Who are we to deny him?
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[b]In the meantime calling the president a "suspected liar," based on nothing other than that accusation, is perfectly acceptable and by no means explosive or derogatory and would certainly never lead to any kind of conflict or controversy.[/b]

JoyV

I don't understand. What insults did I post? I did read insults from others postings, but did not respond with insults myself.

Homestead

Did I say you posted insults?

No I did not.

I respond to others who do post insulting posts in the disguise of discussions.

Insulting posts are entitled to insulting remarks, they've earned them.

You are denying them what they've earned.

JoyV

When I received this telling me to Please tone down the insults, it certainly implies I posted insults.

{Your post inside topic "It isn't good for the country that the President is a suspected liar." was deleted.

Action comment: please tone it down with the insults. I’m trying to de-escalate this place.}

Now if this was sent to everyone, then I misunderstood and take back my question. If to me or only certain posters, then my question remains.

Kevyn

Your Post wasn’t insulting it was misleading the president isn’t a suspected liar he is a proven liar, try that heading.

Homestead

Here's a post from Keven:
"Your Post wasn’t insulting it was misleading the president isn’t a suspected liar he is a proven liar, try that heading."

This is an accusation, an unsubstantiated accusation.
No list of lies is attached.
No explanation as to what constitutes a lie.
No comparison to other presidents, as to why their statements are acceptable, even when proven wrong, but, Trumps is not, even when he has been proven correct.

As if no other president said anything questionable during their presidency.

This is a post that begs for an insult, as it is unreasonable and antagonistic.

Yet, Keven is allowed to make these unsubstantiated and unsupported slams against Trump, while the rest of us have to keep our mouths shut and pretend that he's actually said something.

Let's see you start deleting his responses.

Kevyn

Nonsense, Trump is a proven serial liar. It is no more disingenuous to call him a liar than to note the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. If you lack the intellect or sources to be aware of the fact that Trump is a liar here is a source for you. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

And, you think the New York Times is an unbiased and honest source???????? Good Lord!

New York Times editor admits paper is very, very (very) biased

The muckity mucks in the liberal media pshaw the claim like you’ve said the sun rises in the west. Big wigs across the massive media conglomerates repeat the denial until they’re blue in the face: There is no liberal bias in the media, they say.

They cite “experts,” like Larry Atkins, author of “Skewed: A Critical Thinker’s Guide to Media Bias,” who says there’s just no such thing.

“The Republicans’ complaints about liberal media bias are overblown and over exaggerated. Reporters are trained to be fair and balanced (not the Fox News kind), impartial, neutral and detached,” he wrote in the Huffington Post (a shining beacon of journalistic impartiality).

Anything short of total belief in that unbiased world is mercilessly mocked: “Oh, right, we liberals all get together once a month and decide how we’re going to cover the news!”

But that utopia exists only in their minds and is easily refuted by those pesky gnats known as facts. Like this one: A recent Harvard study found that news coverage of President Trump by such stalwarts of journalism as CNN was 93 percent negative.

Still, no smoking gun.

Until now.

In a new video released Tuesday by Project Veritas, the internet muckraker James O’Keefe continues a series on The New York Times — and this one strips away any pretense that the vaunted “Gray Lady” practices anything close to the journalism of yore.

The 13-minute video shows excerpts from what appears to be an undercover video shot in a bar in London. The main subject: New York Times senior home page editor Des Shoe, who’s based in the city. Her Times bio says she is “part of the team that produces the digital report for home page and mobile feeds,” but she says in the bar she “curates the front page.”

Ms. Shoe says the paper is “widely, widely understood to be left-leaning.” (OK, that one’s not shocking.) But this admission is: “Our main stories are supposed to be objective. It’s very difficult in this day and age to do that.”

Then Ms. Shoe starts breaking down the new way things get done at America’s most prestigious paper.

“This is what I was trying to say is, like, the last couple years it’s changed for the bad. I think the business model itself is just — there’s so much panic about what to do that, you know, what else is a company supposed to do? That’s the conundrum, is that a business model, in this time, is built on what the readers want.”

Well, then, who are the readers of The Times? Ms. Shoe, occasionally taking sips of a pint of beer, says “some of the readers are liberal,” then pauses before she amends that to, “a lot of them are liberal.”

So, The Times is just giving its customers what they want. “The main objective is to grab subscribers. You do that any way that you can,” Ms. Shoe says.

And bashing Mr. Trump is tried and true.

“Since the election, like, you know, speaking on, you know, for The New York Times, our subscriptions have skyrocketed since — I mean, they call it the Trump bump,” Ms. Shoe says.

Mr. O’Keefe, who narrates the video, pops in to note that the paper’s revenue for the second quarter jumped 9.2 percent and digital subscriptions are up 63.4 percent since Trump was elected.

But isn’t that pandering, one person in the bar asks? “What else are you supposed to do?” Ms. Shoe says.

Of course, Ms. Shoe says all the predictable things about how Times staffers feel about Mr. Trump and Vice President Mike Pence. “I feel like Trump is, is just a, is sort of an idiot in a lot of ways. Just an oblivious idiot.” And she adds that Mr. Pence is “f–ing horrible.”

But why, then, someone asks, did the paper cover Mr. Trump so heavily throughout his early days of campaigning?

“I think one of the things that maybe journalists were thinking about is, like, ‘oh, if we write about him, about how insanely crazy he is and how ludicrous his policies are,’ then maybe people will read it and be like, ‘oh wow, we shouldn’t vote for him.’”

The Times just last week put out new guidelines for its journalists. “In social media posts, our journalists must not express partisan opinions, promote political views, endorse candidates, make offensive comments or do anything else that undercuts The Times’s journalistic reputation.”

But we know that’s just a ruse. The mainstream media wants us to think that they are the paragons of virtue, above petty things like, oh, opinions. But they’re not. Far from it.

Journalism is a business and newspapers like The New York Times cater to their customers. When all your readers are liberal, hey, give the customer what he wants. Ice cream vendors do it, why not newspapers?

But that doesn’t mean you have to believe a word they say. And if you’re looking for facts, it’s time to look elsewhere.

wuzblynd Loc: thomson georgia

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Many, many years ago, my father taught me something.

He said that when a man acts with bravery, he has earned the right to be called brave.
Anyone that denies him that which he has earned, is in the wrong.
By what right is a man denied that which he has earned?
Who gave them that right to deny the man his accomplishments?

When a man acts with heroism, he has earned the right to be called a hero.
Anyone that denies him that which he has earned, is in the wrong.
By what right is a man denied that which he has earned?
Who gave them that right to deny the man his accomplishments?


When a man acts with generosity, he has earned the right to be called generous.
Anyone that denies him that which he has earned, is in the wrong.
By what right is a man denied that which he has earned?
Who gave them that right to deny the man his accomplishments?

When a man acts with wisdom, he has earned the right to be called wise.
Anyone that denies him that which he has earned, is in the wrong.
By what right is a man denied that which he has earned?
Who gave them that right to deny the man his accomplishments?

The world doesn't seem to have a problem with this...................................UNTIL!

What happens when a man acts with stupidity?

Has he not earned the right to be called stupid?

By what right do you deny a person that which he has worked for and rightfully earned?

If a person does not wish that which he has worked for, should he not work for something else?

Who are we to deny him?
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[b]In the meantime calling the president a "suspected liar," based on nothing other than that accusation, is perfectly acceptable and by no means explosive or derogatory and would certainly never lead to any kind of conflict or controversy.[/b][/quote]




Same thing with me. I called airforce one turdnest and it was taken down and I was told to stop with the insulting nicknames. A few months ago ,prog1 called me cracker and when I called him nigger they took my post down but left his up. They are trying real hard to silence conservatives. Admin. is nazis I think. They are definitely leftist.

Homestead

All right, I'll go over these so called lies, you go over Obama's:

Here are 1,080 well sourced examples of Obama’s lying, lawbreaking, corruption, cronyism, hypocrisy, waste, etc.
http://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/obama-252/

So here's the problem you have Keven, if the fact that Obama lied. isn't important, than Trump's so-called lying is not important.

If the lies Obama told are petty and not important, then the so-called lies Trump said are not important.

If the lies President Obama said, don't make a difference, then the So-called lies President Trump has said don't make a difference.

Homestead

What the creator has said is that he wants to promote discussion.

But, you can't promote discussion without rules, demanding facts be presented and logic be applied.

Now at least, Keven has posted the lies Trump is accused of saying.

Now we have something to deal with and this wasn't achieved by being nice.

It was achieved by insulting the hell out of him and telling him to put up or shut up.

Maybe the administration ought to take notes and learn a few things.

Homestead

So,...................let's go through theses so-called lies, one at a time.

JAN. 21 “I wasn't a fan of Iraq. I didn't want to go into Iraq.” (He was for an invasion before he was against it.)

And now, you're the liar.

Did Trump support the Iraq War? Here's the full timeline from 2002 to 2004.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBS7rM9Omq0

Donald Trump - The Iraq War (2003)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PJr2R28pas

wuzblynd Loc: thomson georgia

I'm all for civil conversation. These guys, kev,moldy, airfarceone , they are quite insulting. Posting GFY, and these insults stay up. They overlook what they know good and well means go fuck yourself. But I can't say turdnest. Pretty obvious that they lean left. I have learned more about how government works in the last few years here on opp than I have in my 57 years. I dont have much education, got a GED in prison.don't know how I passed it but I did. I spent 7 years in prison with the best liars, con men, and the best bull slingers the south has to offer. What that makes me to most people is almost foolproof. I like to call em like I see em. And see very well the intent behind the words. I

JoyV

In the first place, note that this article is clearly identified as opinion.

I would like to go over each of these items in the list, and will work on getting that done. But there are so many lies to wade through. Lies by the media is what I mean.

Here is a beginning:
JAN. 21 “I wasn't a fan of Iraq. I didn't want to go into Iraq.” (He was for an invasion before he was against it.)
***Trump was against the invasion. I remember seeing an interview with him saying so BEFORE the Iraq war started. He years later during Obama’s administration, he stated he was against pulling out. This has been equated by some to mean he was for the war which a simple look back at his words at the time would prove he WAS against going into Iraq. Reporter lied, not Trump.

JAN. 21 “A reporter for Time magazine — and I have been on their cover 14 or 15 times. I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time magazine.” (Trump was on the cover 11 times and Nixon appeared 55 times.)
***Note the words, “I think…” How many times have you said something like, “I think I put the keys on the kitchen table.”, when it turned out you’d put them on an end table. That is being mistaken, not being a liar.

JAN. 23 “Between 3 million and 5 million illegal votes caused me to lose the popular vote.” (There's no evidence of illegal voting.)
***What rock has this reporter been hiding under. The number of illegal votes has not been counted throughout all of the US. But there have been illegal votes found. The Government Accountability Institute found tens of thousands of votes from people who voted in more than one state. There were also tens of thousands of voters whose birth dates were 115 or more years prior to the 2016 election. Hundreds whose birthday put them under 18. Hundreds of thousands whose identity can’t be confirmed due to no ID required for voting in a number of states. Thousands whose addresses on voter forms were bogus addresses. And since in 2008, it was estimated that 2.8 million illegal aliens voted in the Presidential election; the 3 million figure is a very realistic guesstimate.

JAN. 25 “Now, the audience was the biggest ever. But this crowd was massive. Look how far back it goes. This crowd was massive.” (Official aerial photos show Obama's 2009 inauguration was much more heavily attended.)
***The aerial photos published of Obama’s inauguration were taken just before the swearing in. The aerial photos the media published for Trump’s inauguration were taken in the early morning. Pictures taken at the same time as the ones published for Obama’s were, show crowds at least as large as Obama’s.

This is going to take a long time to go through each and every claim. So tomorrow I will pull out the most egregious ones.

Homestead

I started to do the same thing, before I got so irritated with the moron I was rebutting that I blew the rest off.

He never answered a single rebuttal to his nonsense.

Here's a few things I found.

Trump doesn't hold all-time record for features on Time magazine covers
The actual number of covers dedicated to Trump before and while in office is correct, as confirmed by Time magazine itself. Trump has been on its cover 14 times.
http://www.nbc26.com/news/national/infographics/trump-doesnt-hold-all-time-record-for-features-on-time-magazine-covers
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JAN. 23 “Between 3 million and 5 million illegal votes caused me to lose the popular vote.” (There's no evidence of illegal voting.)

There is never any evidence if you refuse to look for it or ignore it when it is found.

ALERT: Fox News Exposes 4 MILLION Fraudulent Votes, Trail Leads STRAIGHT To Obama
http://www.teaparty.org/alert-fox-news-exposes-4-million-fraudulent-votes-trail-leads-straight-obama-227199/

BREAKING: MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD EVIDENCE FOUND! Trump Was Right! June 11, 2017
http://eheadlines.com/breaking-massive-voter-fraud-evidence-found-trump-was-right/

BREAKING: 119 Dead People Voted 229 Times In THIS State – Trump Was RIGHT!
http://www.teaparty.org/breaking-119-dead-people-voted-229-times-state-trump-right-223199/

Three Arrested For Alleged Voter Fraud In Key Swing States
http://www.westernjournalism.com/three-arrested-voter-fraud/

DETROIT RECOUNT OBSERVER: BOX MARKED ‘306’ BALLOTS — ONLY HAD 50 INSIDE
http://eheadlines.com/detroit-recount-observer-box-marked-306-ballots-only-had-50-inside/

Voter Fraud in the US: Documented:
Part 1
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=2216

Report: Massive Voter Fraud Uncovered in Nevada
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/report-massive-nevada-voter-fraud-uncovered/

8 Times Liberals Claimed An Election Was Stolen Or Rigged
http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/19/8-times-liberals-claimed-election-stolen-rigged/

New Evidence Links Voting Machines And Clinton Foundation
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-27/new-evidence-links-voting-machines-and-clinton-foundation

IT'S RIGGED=> Trump Supporters Discover Their Ballots Were Tossed Out by Election Officials
http://www.teaparty.org/rigged-trump-supporters-discover-ballots-tossed-election-officials-195029/
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41 states revolt against Trump's voter-fraud probe
President demands to know: 'What are they trying to hide?'
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/07/41-states-revolt-against-trumps-voter-fraud-probe/#p1iM0S0qhhyLaoIs.99
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JAN. 25 “Now, the audience was the biggest ever. But this crowd was massive. Look how far back it goes. This crowd was massive.” (Official aerial photos show Obama's 2009 inauguration was much more heavily attended.)

Now this lie of yours is really pathetic as CNN has already admitted that they manipulated the pictures by comparing an early picture of Trumps, as the crowds were gathering, not, at the time of his speech. Then comparing that to Obama's as he spoke.
CNN Quietly Releases Updated Pic Showing Trump’s Inaugural Crowd Size Greater than Obama’s 2009 Inaugural Crowd
Later CNN’s report was proven false by their own reporting.  CNN released a gigapixel of President Trump’s Inauguration and the areas they show as empty in their article from their January 21st report were filled to the brim in their more recent picture which was taken at the time of Trump’s speech during the Inauguration ceremony.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/01/crowd-size-matters-trump-is-right-it-was-huge/

More Fake News: Media Contrived Photos to Diminish Trump’s Inauguration Crowd
Oh, wait a second. That photo, used by many media outlets for comparison with Trump’s audience, was taken from the balcony of the Capital Building. The photo taken for Trump’s audience was shot from much closer to ground level and was taken from approximately the center of the Obama inauguration photo. Thus, it misses all the audience gathered on the bleachers and is narrower so it doesn’t even include the side streets.
The comparison photos were each taken about an hour before the inauguration speech began. The third photo of the huge Trump audience was taken at the time of the inauguration. It was all a matter of timing. To explain why Obama’s crowd surged into the mall an hour or so earlier than Trump’s, consider the following likely explanations:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-27/more-fake-news-media-contrived-photos-diminish-trump%E2%80%99s-inauguration-crowd
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JAN. 25 “Take a look at the Pew reports (which show voter fraud.)” (The report never mentioned voter fraud.)
Talk about a liar, you really take the cake. Why haven't you bothered to see what else the Pew Center has said?
Pew Center: 1.8 Million Dead People on Voter Rolls, 2.75 Million Registered in Two States
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/pew-center-1-8-million-dead-people-voter-rolls-2-75-million-registered-two-states/
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JAN. 25 “You had millions of people that now aren't insured anymore.” (The real number is less than 1 million, according to the Urban Institute.)
Did ObamaCare Add 20 Million To The Insurance Rolls? Not Even Close
Health Reform: It has become a mantra among Democrats that 20 million people gained coverage thanks to ObamaCare. It's a myth. The real figure is much lower, and almost all the gains came by stuffing more people into the decrepit Medicaid program.
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/did-obamacare-add-20-million-to-the-insurance-rolls-not-even-close/
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Trump Falsely Claims Two People Were Killed During Obama's Farewell Speech
A police record of shootings in the city that day provided to BuzzFeed News also shows no shootings from about 8 to 9 p.m. while Obama spoke. According to the records, five shootings were reported in Chicago on the day of Obama's visit, but none of the victims were fatally wounded.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/trump-falsely-claims-two-people-were-killed-during-obamas-fa?utm_term=.qvdedbrGD0#.irAJNAe95j
Obama returns to Chicago, a city scarred by gun violence
And though Chicago police have long looked to the city’s brutal winter to temporarily pause the gang feuds that many blame for the uptick in shootings, the disturbing pace of violence has continued. Since Jan. 1, more than 70 people have been shot and at least a dozen killed—including two Monday night, on the eve of Obama’s speech.
http://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-returns-to-chicago-a-city-scarred-by-gun-violence-162430348.html
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JAN. 26 “We've taken in tens of thousands of people. We know nothing about them. They can say they vet them. They didn't vet them. They have no papers. How can you vet somebody when you don't know anything about them and you have no papers? How do you vet them? You can't.”(Vetting lasts up to two years.)
Aparently, Trump knows a lot more thean you do.
FBI admits there's no way to screen all the Syrian refugees the Obama administration plans to accept into the US
FBI Director James Comey on Wednesday told Congress that the federal government cannot conduct thorough checks on all of the coming influx of 10,000 refugees from Syria.
Appearing before the House Committee on Homeland Security, Comey said Syrians who aren't already in the FBI's database are unknown to the agency, meaning their backgrounds cannot be adequately scoured for a risk of terrorism.
'We can only query against that which we have collected,' Comey told the committee under questioning.
'So if someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interest reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home, but there will be nothing show up because we have no record of them.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3283587/FBI-admits-s-no-way-screen-Syrian-refugees-Obama-administration-plans-accept-US.html#ixzz4luo0XXLW
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JAN. 26 “I cut off hundreds of millions of dollars off one particular plane, hundreds of millions of dollars in a short period of time. It wasn't like I spent, like, weeks, hours, less than hours, and many, many hundreds of millions of dollars. And the plane's going to be better.” (Most of the cuts were already planned.)
No, the cuts were not already planned and Trump is still working to get the prices as low as posible.
Mattis Orders Air Force One, F-35 Reviews As Trump Opens Door To $60B DoD Budget Boost
During his interview with Hannity, Trump claimed he “cut off hundreds of millions of dollars off one particular plane, hundreds of millions of dollars in a short period of time. It wasn’t like I spent, like, weeks, hours, less than hours, and many, many hundreds of millions of dollars. And the plane’s going to be better.”
It’s unclear whether Trump was pointing to the F-35 or to Air Force One, both of which he has lambasted for high costs. It is clear that Trump’s public pressure on Lockheed Martin, builder of the F-35, appears to have them more publicly amenable to agreeing to lower costs.
http://breakingdefense.com/2017/01/mattis-orders-air-force-one-f-35-reviews-as-trump-opens-door-to-60b-dod-budget-boost/

Trump, Boeing CEO meet again to talk Air Force One price tag
Reuters reported Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg said that the pair had made “great progress on simplifying requirements for Air Force One.” They also said Muilenburg suggested a deal could be reached "in the very near term."
Muilenburg told Reuters, "we were able to talk about options for the country and capabilities that will, again, provide the best capability for our war fighters most affordably”.
“Mr. Trump is doing a great job of engaging business," Muilenburg said. “We're proud to take on that mission and I think Mr Trump's engagement with industry is going to help us grow manufacturing jobs in this country."
Last month, Muilenburg met with Trump and told him that his company could build a cheaper Air Force One for less than originally quoted.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/18/trump-boeing-ceo-meet-again-to-talk-air-force-one-price-tag.html
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Sorry, Not Sorry: New York Times tells Trump it did not apologize for coverage
Trump was likely referring to the November letter from the paper’s embattled publisher, Arthur O. Sulzberger that was released shortly after the election. Sulzberger promised readers that the paper would “reflect” on its coverage and rededicate itself to reporting on “America and the world” honestly.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/29/sorry-not-sorry-new-york-times-tells-trump-it-did-not-apologize-for-coverage.html
New York Times Co.’s Decline in Print Advertising Tempered by Digital Gains
Precipitous declines in print advertising rocked the newspaper industry last year. And while The New York Times Company recorded significant growth in subscriptions and promising increases in digital advertising, it nevertheless has not avoided the inevitable.
The company said on Thursday that its print advertising revenue in 2016 fell 16 percent, driving a 9 percent drop in total advertising revenue. For the quarter, print advertising revenue declined 20 percent.
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/business/media/new-york-times-q4-earnings.html
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