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Jan 3, 2018 23:49:13   #
son of witless wrote:
You are technically correct that the Glacier retreated a lot between 1941 and 2004. I dispute that this is as significant as you believe it to be. You might have heard of the Little Ice Age. Since that ended about 1850, guess what? Glaciers have retreated. In fact Glaciers have retreated since the late 1700s. I say we are in a naturally reoccurring cycle of warming. You cannot prove me wrong.


Glaciers and mountain snows are rapidly melting—for example, Montana's Glacier National Park now has only 27 glaciers, versus 150 in 1910. In the Northern Hemisphere, thaws also come a week earlier in spring and freezes begin a week later.

The rate of warming is increasing. The 20th century's last two decades were the hottest in 400 years and possibly the warmest for several millennia, according to a number of climate studies. And the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports that 11 of the past 12 years are among the dozen warmest since 1850.
Arctic ice is rapidly disappearing, and the region may have its first completely ice-free summer by 2040 or earlier. Polar bears and indigenous cultures are already suffering from the sea-ice loss.

The Arctic is feeling the effects the most. Average temperatures in Alaska, western Canada, and eastern Russia have risen at twice the global average, according to the multinational Arctic Climate Impact Assessment report compiled between 2000 and 2004.

Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degree Celsius) around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades, according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

An upsurge in the amount of extreme weather events, such as wildfires, heat waves, and strong tropical storms, is also attributed in part to climate change by some experts.

The report, based on the work of some 2,500 scientists in more than 130 countries, concluded that humans have caused all or most of the current planetary warming. Human-caused global warming is often called anthropogenic climate change.

Humans are pouring carbon dioxide into the atmosphere much faster than plants and oceans can absorb it.

Industrialization, deforestation, and pollution have greatly increased atmospheric concentrations of water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide, all greenhouse gases that help trap heat near Earth's surface.

This Report by National Geographic https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_041206_global_warming_2.html
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Jan 3, 2018 23:34:51   #
son of witless wrote:
You are technically correct that the Glacier retreated a lot between 1941 and 2004. I dispute that this is as significant as you believe it to be. You might have heard of the Little Ice Age. Since that ended about 1850, guess what? Glaciers have retreated. In fact Glaciers have retreated since the late 1700s. I say we are in a naturally reoccurring cycle of warming. You cannot prove me wrong.


Yes he can, he just can't force you to believe it.
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Jan 3, 2018 23:31:55   #
archie bunker wrote:
You seem to choose to believe in something that keeps changing names, and having the experts getting busted falsifying data to prove their government funded point. I find that to be narrow minded myself.


Not sure what you're referring to that keeps changing names, or what experts are getting busted, I 've found what gets busted are those false accusations. They purposely do that with the intention to seed distrust is many research groups, private and government. As stated before

Corporate-funded groups that spread misinformation in the media are partly to blame, as exposed in a recent UCS report about disinformation on climate science.

This is not the first study of its type by any means. There is no shortage of published research on the consensus of climate scientists and climate science publications when it comes to anthropogenic warming. You can read Oreskes 2004, Oreskes 2007, Doran and Zimmerman 2009, and Anderegg et al. 2010. In addition, there are statements that verify the scientific claims about human-caused warming from 18 different scientific societies in the United States and more than a dozen national academies of science from around the world. And there are countless blogs on the topic including an analysis of over 13,000 papers by James Powell.

But this research is agreed on all over the world. Not a conspiracy, it is a concern. All one has to do is look at the intention of the people debunking global warming, and what they get out of it compared to people who are promoting awareness of the usage of fossil fuels, why we need to reduce them and their intention... cleaner air and a more balanced climate.

I don't think I'm the one being narrow-minded here. I live on the coast five miles from NOA, some the researchers there are my friends and our children went to school together. Another close friend of mine is an environmental lawyer, where I've been told of cases, I've done a lot of research in the effects of global warming myself.

We both believe in different analogies and different groups, and that's Ok. But narrow-minded I am not.
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Jan 3, 2018 17:46:09   #
eagleye13 wrote:
The '97% consensus' of scientists on climate change is complete bunk... fraudulent statistic repeated everywhere is based on blatant scientific FRAUD

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/052317_climate_change_scientific_consensus_fraudulent_science_survey.html#ixzz4JLPs9xQq

NaturalNews) The brain-dead leftist media isn't really in the news business anymore. It's actually in the business of zombie control... with the zombies being, of course, the leftist libtard obedient propaganda swallowers who are easily fooled by sleight-of-hand trickery being paraded as science. (Then again, there are also CONtards on the right who are easily fooled by fraudulent "GMO science," so the criticism deserves to be equally distributed across the political establishment...)

If you've ever has the misfortune of listening to the libtard leftist media, you've probably heard the claim -- repeated like a mantra chant to Gaia -- that "97% of scientists believe in man-made climate change" (or some similar paraphrased version of this fraudulent claim).

Fortunately, there's a book by Mark Steyn that helps sort out the truth from the fiction. It's called A Disgrace to the Profession and features short essays and articles by scientists who speak out against the global warming / climate change hoax being perpetrated on the world.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/052317_climate_change_scientific_consensus_fraudulent_science_survey.html#ixzz4JLQI0Rxa


PASADENA, CA, July 21, 2015 – Arguing with people who have already come to a conclusion based on a loose understanding of half the story is difficult. Large amounts of misinformation are unfortunately common in today’s political arena thanks to social media, shoddy journalism, millennial ambivalence and a generally apathetic view toward data and public policy. Nowhere in today’s society is this idea more prevalent than the climate change debate, formally known as global warming.

Global warming was the hot topic about 10 years ago when Al Gore’s documentary, “An Inconvenient Truth”, hit theaters and almost instantly scared millions of people into believing the Earth was hanging on by a string thanks to irresponsible Americans filling up their gas tanks one two many times.

The green energy lobby took charge and didn’t look back, raising hundreds of millions of dollars and sponsoring regulation after regulation with the intent of eliminating fossil fuels and ignoring the unintended consequence of killing jobs and destroying livelihoods. Day after day, the mainstream media spread the word that temperatures were soaring, the oceans were rising, and natural disasters were growing deadlier all because of man made global warming’s detrimental effect on the earth’s atmosphere.

After a few years of hysteria, something happened that brought the global warming train to a screeching halt. Scientists began to realize that the earth’s temperature wasn’t rising. In fact, we now know that the average global temperature hasn’t gone up in at least 15 years. Try as they might, and they did try, environmentalists could not cover up this contradictory piece of evidence, so they decided to change the name of their movement to “climate change”.

Man made climate change supporters, primarily on the left, have attempted to gloss over these glaring holes in their argument by creating the illusion that the scientific community is completely on their side and that any questioning of that science is a waste of time. They did that by coming up with the false narrative that 97% of all scientists agree with them and continued to repeat it over and over until people who weren’t really paying attention started to accept it as fact.

It’s not a fact but yet for some reason, everyone from the guy in line next to you at Starbucks all the way up to the President of the United States tout this statistic as indisputable evidence. The only truth regarding this statement is that it was dubiously manufactured in order to dilute the reality that scientists have not coalesced around one position one way or the other.

The 97% number was created by meticulously selecting certain surveys using murky terminology to formulate a specific narrative.
The '97% consensus' of scientists on climate chang... (show quote)


The only murky terminology is in your head, you are part of the "Consensus Gap". The science is clear, but Corporate-funded groups that spread misinformation in the media are partly to blame for the doubt and is exposed in a recent UCS report about disinformation on climate science. What it comes down to is that people are the ones who are selective on what they chose to believe.
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Jan 3, 2018 17:30:53   #
eagleye13 wrote:
The '97% consensus' of scientists on climate change is complete bunk... fraudulent statistic repeated everywhere is based on blatant scientific FRAUD

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/052317_climate_change_scientific_consensus_fraudulent_science_survey.html#ixzz4JLPs9xQq

NaturalNews) The brain-dead leftist media isn't really in the news business anymore. It's actually in the business of zombie control... with the zombies being, of course, the leftist libtard obedient propaganda swallowers who are easily fooled by sleight-of-hand trickery being paraded as science. (Then again, there are also CONtards on the right who are easily fooled by fraudulent "GMO science," so the criticism deserves to be equally distributed across the political establishment...)

If you've ever has the misfortune of listening to the libtard leftist media, you've probably heard the claim -- repeated like a mantra chant to Gaia -- that "97% of scientists believe in man-made climate change" (or some similar paraphrased version of this fraudulent claim).

Fortunately, there's a book by Mark Steyn that helps sort out the truth from the fiction. It's called A Disgrace to the Profession and features short essays and articles by scientists who speak out against the global warming / climate change hoax being perpetrated on the world.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/052317_climate_change_scientific_consensus_fraudulent_science_survey.html#ixzz4JLQI0Rxa


PASADENA, CA, July 21, 2015 – Arguing with people who have already come to a conclusion based on a loose understanding of half the story is difficult. Large amounts of misinformation are unfortunately common in today’s political arena thanks to social media, shoddy journalism, millennial ambivalence and a generally apathetic view toward data and public policy. Nowhere in today’s society is this idea more prevalent than the climate change debate, formally known as global warming.

Global warming was the hot topic about 10 years ago when Al Gore’s documentary, “An Inconvenient Truth”, hit theaters and almost instantly scared millions of people into believing the Earth was hanging on by a string thanks to irresponsible Americans filling up their gas tanks one two many times.

The green energy lobby took charge and didn’t look back, raising hundreds of millions of dollars and sponsoring regulation after regulation with the intent of eliminating fossil fuels and ignoring the unintended consequence of killing jobs and destroying livelihoods. Day after day, the mainstream media spread the word that temperatures were soaring, the oceans were rising, and natural disasters were growing deadlier all because of man made global warming’s detrimental effect on the earth’s atmosphere.

After a few years of hysteria, something happened that brought the global warming train to a screeching halt. Scientists began to realize that the earth’s temperature wasn’t rising. In fact, we now know that the average global temperature hasn’t gone up in at least 15 years. Try as they might, and they did try, environmentalists could not cover up this contradictory piece of evidence, so they decided to change the name of their movement to “climate change”.

Man made climate change supporters, primarily on the left, have attempted to gloss over these glaring holes in their argument by creating the illusion that the scientific community is completely on their side and that any questioning of that science is a waste of time. They did that by coming up with the false narrative that 97% of all scientists agree with them and continued to repeat it over and over until people who weren’t really paying attention started to accept it as fact.

It’s not a fact but yet for some reason, everyone from the guy in line next to you at Starbucks all the way up to the President of the United States tout this statistic as indisputable evidence. The only truth regarding this statement is that it was dubiously manufactured in order to dilute the reality that scientists have not coalesced around one position one way or the other.

The 97% number was created by meticulously selecting certain surveys using murky terminology to formulate a specific narrative.
The '97% consensus' of scientists on climate chang... (show quote)




Your link is a propaganda ploy put out from the right, simply more misinformation.In fact, of almost 12,000 abstracts analyzed by the authors, less than 80 out of 12,000 rejected the claim that global warming is exacerbated by human activity. That’s less than one percent.
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Jan 3, 2018 17:21:06   #
emarine wrote:
Seems our countrymen who favor profits over people are fine with Trump as long as they got theirs... I'm all for free market Capitalism but where do you draw the line between profit over people... Trump has no health care plan & never did except destroy the ACA "the Ryan plan"... most of old farts here on OPP have Medicare & live off dividends from a point in time when our corporations weren't so dependent of foreign labor to profit ...


You may be right, people who are retired are not concerned about the job market, only the stock market. For most who are doing well, SS is simply an added bonus check, chump change.

Just a thought but many feel we've been in wars for reasons other than defending freedom or the protection of the people, but rather for companies who are military contractors or for the oil cartel, which may be the case. But either way we put our youth in harm's way and many come home disabled, they then collect SS at a much earlier year then the intended retirement age. Now the industrialists made their money but do they pay in an added supplement to help the increased deficit of SS, or do they just walk away with their profits?
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Jan 3, 2018 16:54:53   #
archie bunker wrote:
Don't be so hard on her. High horses are hard to dismount for some.


Really Arch, what high horse am I on? You're so off the mark here it's not even funny. If you treated me more as a person versus an enemy you'd probably figure that out. Think what you want I'm not here to change your mind.
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Jan 3, 2018 16:42:31   #
S. Maturin wrote:
Gee, you are surely the holiest of holy.. Next thing I expect you to state is that your father has risen from the dead and is holding prayer meetings in some small village in Mexico.

MY business is so successful, it only requires I look in on my help once in a while and I am <ready?> wealthier than Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton and Old Bezos all put together.

(When you wish to come off the pretenzies, I'll still be here.)


what's a pretenzies, are you referring to pretenses? If you want to pay me I can help you with your Language Arts, I am not wealthy.

What pretense, you ask me if I was employed.
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Jan 3, 2018 16:35:35   #
archie bunker wrote:
That was hair shirt. I think he might have been implying that you have a hairy back! Is it silver in color?


Oh Gosh that's funny, I just reread my mistake, whoops typing error, that was a real accident and is cracking me up now, I'm surprised thepost wasn't booted.
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Jan 3, 2018 16:29:42   #
archie bunker wrote:
One at a time here.
What is the most recent animal to be declared extinct?


Northern White Rhino, the Black Rhino and the Javan Rhino.
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Jan 3, 2018 16:17:46   #
archie bunker wrote:
Blind hatred right here.



Not blind or hatred, I see him for just what he is, a person who lies and deceives, that for me represents a snake. Do I think he

qualifies to be in the white house... no, along with his family being appointed in positions they have no credentials to hold and is completely inappropriate. Sorry JMO We deserve and should have a much better person, the problem was we weren't offered one. Actually, we were, but he had no backing. I had liked Martin O'Malley very much, I found him to be a good moderate and reasonable.
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Jan 3, 2018 16:01:57   #
archie bunker wrote:
Oh, I have plenty! I'm a male mammal, and it's winter time now! I tend to fur up a bit.


Are you trying to tell me your back and body hair gets thicker in the winter... that's um ...I was gonna say scary but I'll stick with interesting
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Jan 3, 2018 15:52:01   #
Bad Bob wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/38e6a84c-5d61-3bac-9525-1e863118052c/these-politicians-knew-donald.html


My button is bigger than your button...that about sums up Trump in so many ways, I don't think anyone from either side can deny that...I think I'm gonna use it just at the right time,LOL
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Jan 3, 2018 13:08:05   #
emarine wrote:
Except now they can save a fortune when passing the fortune on to their heirs... example... Fred Koch passed his fortune to Charles Koch after conspiring with Stalin improving the USSR's oil production after the start of the cold war... very patriotic .... then Charles Koch "his son" gave us citizens united, the tea party, Paul Ryan & paid for massive gerrymandering as well as many other political people's influence in our government... & that's what Plutocracy is all about... & now that we have elected a wealthy businessman to save us from this plutocracy what has he done?????... hint... he passed Paul Ryan's tax plan for the plutocracy... so much for the working man in America... & all you old retired investors defend this BS... nothing like greed over countryman... this makes Trump great... it's all about the money...
Except now they can save a fortune when passing th... (show quote)


Am in full agreement, these Trump followers, put parties before country, and corporations before people, the writing is on the wall, what does it take to turn people around to simply read it. I guess when things get so bad and is at their own doorstep they'll open their eyes, except of course for the people who have too much wealth or benefits as in government employees to be affected. But that is where we're headed... two parties... two social classes. Though they are pushing for one party.
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Jan 3, 2018 12:56:41   #
S. Maturin wrote:
MORGAN!

You did not answer my question:



Knowing what you do, surely you have stopped heating your cave and have given up on traveling in vehicles of any kind, right?

How's that hair shirt wearing?


How come you insist others answer YOUR questions and you disregard the questions posed by others? Huh?

Are you such a narcissist, possess such a superiority complex as to feel licensed to think only what YOU think is important? HUH?!



Your questions were answered, are you obtuse? Did I miss traveling in a vehicle, really how ridiculous do you really want to get? your question and point a is moot.
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