I love the hate arguement. I post regularly on a large sports forum. I remember when Tebow was at Florida and all the Florida fans thought Tebow would win the Heisman his Sr year and they would cake walk to another national championship and that the dynasty was in full bloom. I was called a "hater" for saying that neither would happen. Actually being a handicapper I knew the odds were against both happening and I thought one had to happen in order for the other to happen.

Yes being labeled a hater does not phase me one bit. In the end I was right about Tebow and Florida. In the end I will be right once again about Obama and his administration. So do you hate haters or do you hate anyone who questions you, your leader, or your party. Where is your curiosity? It is easier to label others as haters. I guess that makes you an Obama lover. Ouch, that does not even sound good.

To question is not to hate. To expect answers is not to hate. Now I do hate what he is doing to this country, there is no question about that.

I still say Obama should release the documents he is blocking having to do with himself (BC, who paid for his education, etc) in light of this invasion of privacy and targting the tea party. He is the ultimate hypocrite if he does not do so. If everything is on the up and up he could just release it all and move on. That is unless there is something he does not want us to see.

You see that is the key, he does not want us to see certain things about him yet he does not have a problem having access to more of our info than we want him or some curious member of his administration to see. Does he have something to hide, if not he should come forward with the info. If not then leave us alone.

In the meantime the rich get richer. Which means that Wall St had to give Obama their stamp of approval along with the Fed. There again no matter which party is in power you keep seeing the same financial advisors again and again. They are getting richer with cheap interest rates and a rising stock market. My what a coincidence huh.

We are effectively powerless against such a coalition that is up to a point. When you have a maverick administration it goes to the top despite the denials. The main vulnerability of this rogue administration is their arrogance. Arrogance breeds denial. Once an administration is exposed and the general public loses their trust in them things can and will go south.

Despite record food stamps and disability claims even lower informed people start to wonder. People that post on forums are as a rule curious people and check out things using non main stream sources. It does help build awareness and there is some solace in knowing others are as concerned and as aware as you are.

But......we have already gone thru round one of stonewalling. Get ready for some more. But for the first time this administration is beginning to lose it's poise. It knows it has been getting a pass from the main stream media but at some point the rats jump ship. (Calling the main stream media rats is a compliment by the way). But it appears now that the Tea Party will soon be in the game again and at full strength. They hit grass roots and greatly impacted the 2010 election. We now know why they did not have that same impact in 2012.

We just need to keep spreading the word, making each other aware of new developments, and HOPING that things CHANGE for the better. Whistle blowers are the key to getting to the bottom of it and they are beginning to step up to the plate.

Well the whistleblowers are beginning to step forward. This will happen more and more. This is what happens when you have big government gone wild. Not everyone drinks the koolaid.

They wish that thet were in that kind of control but it is the exact opposite. Fast and Furious was all about the 2nd amendment and went over most peoples heads. Benghazi may be more complicated but more people died. Not sending any help sent a message to the American public not to mention the military. That is simply not the American way.

What saved Obama's bacon was the reelection process. The lid was going to blow on his regime it was just lost in the shuffle for a while. After the election it all came to light. I say all, I really think there is more to come. An administration gone wild is what it boiled down to.

But you are right, the lame stream media is the biggest obstacle to truth we are now facing. Thank goodness for Fox and Breitbart etc. Their persistence in these matters finally got some momentum. I also think the Boston bombing brought a lot of people back to reality. All of this is happening right under this administrations noses. They were more concerned with targeting tea party people then they were on following up on Russia warning us about the bombers.

It is an old adage but this administration may be the best example ever of "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts abolutely."

Recently I found an article by Steven Baldwin (The Western Center for Journalism) entitled "Obama surrounds himself with the most extreme appointees in American History". I do not know how to post the link but you can google it.

In the article here is what he has to say about Jarrett:

"White House Staff
Senior Advisor and Assistant to the President for Public Engagement and Intergovernmental Affairs – Valerie Jarrett
Jarrett is involved with vetting all the extremists Obama has appointed and thus, has to be an extremist as well. For example, she was aware that former Green Czar Van Jones (who withdrew) had a long history of involvement in Communist Party causes, but still said she was “delighted to be able to recruit him into the White House.” She had to have known, because she married into a family with a pedigree of Communist Party involvement. Her father-in-law, Vernon Jarrett, worked closely with Obama mentor and Communist Party leader Frank Marshall Davis in a number of Communist Party front groups during the Cold War years. Valerie married Vernon’s son in 1983 and later became chief of staff for Mayor Richard Daley, where she was a key player in perhaps America’s most corrupt big city political machine. Obama does not go forward with anything without her counsel."

So you can let your curiosity take it from there. She is Obama's mentor. She picked many of his appointees. She is the voice in his ear (and they are big ones by the way). If stuff like this does not give you pause then something is wrong unless you drink the same kool aid. This is the kind of stuff many Obama supporters don't know and don't want to know.
It is sad but true.

oldroy: People like us are labeled by liberal Obama supportors as being conspiracy theory advocates. All we are is curious. I am leary of anyone who has no curiosity.

You are right, the self serving narrative penned by Obama (Ayres) stops right when your curiosity gets peaked. It is bad enough to connect the dots back to Chicago but I recently ran onto an article by Steven Baldwin (The Western Center for Journalism) entitled "Obama surrounds himself with the most extreme appointees in American history." I do not know how to post a link but you can google it up easily. It is shocking to view the list of appointees.

Being new to this forum I am guided mostly by my curiosity and not by staunch political beliefs. I am not a registered republican simply a basic conservative who believes a nation should live within it's means. My curiosity lead me to research Obama's past after he was elected the first time. I was shocked. When you view his agenda it is just more dots to connect and they all head back to Chicago. It is sad but true.

Whoa, I am on your side. He has an agenda and the scandals are just emerging and exposing him and his administration for what they are. I never thought I would see this in my lifetime. Obama is an apologist, he would bow to a shadow. He is ashamed of our history, hates the constitution, and is destroying the only ace in the hole we have, our military. I keep thinking Gen Petraeus will blow the biggest whistle ever heard in this country but that is just me.

Obamunism

Obama and the people around him are are Obamunists -- Obama is the prototypical Obamunist -- a blend of Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Che, Capone, Billy Sunday, Boss Tweed, Muhammad, and Tupac -- they are hybrids -- they use all the tools -- whatever will get them power and keep them in power.

An Obamunist believes the orders must come from them, the enlightened ones, through the bureaucracy, to the People. They wrap their stuff up in fancy slogans, but their goal is power -- and they believe they are entitled to it. (from the obamafile.com)

Hope and Change = fancy slogan

In light of all the breaches and scandals surrounding Obama and his administration it appears to me that something simply does not make sense. Is all this breach of privacy about finding the truth. Sure they are using national security as the lever but nothing has stopped them from targeting the Tea Party except the fact that they got caught. There are certain things that fall into categories of "need to know" from a government view point. But what about the view point of the general public, specifically the voter.

As a gesture to open everything up why doesn't Obama unlock all the mysteries from his past. From the BC to who paid for his higher education etc. Does not the average citizen have as much right for transparency from a POTUS who promised just that. We have a need to know, in fact we have a right to know.

You lead by example and Obama just doesn't care. If he cared and had nothing to hide he could silence the naysayers once and for all by laying his hidden past out there for all to see. Kind of clear the air so to speak. What better time than right now. Everyone has something they don't want everyone else to know but the POTUS has to have a higher bar. He has lead from behind up to now, way behind as a matter of fact, but he could do lot to unlock his past and allow it to be scrutinzed.

Only Obama has the key to unlock his past. His desire to hide the parts of his past that people question flies in the face of what is going on now in his administration. How does all that relate to national security. Well we won't know until we know what he is hiding. No POTUS has ever gone to such lengths to keep the voting public from knowing key things that point to character. If you are not honest with the citizens then you should not be digging into their emails and texts in light of the fact that members of your administration use secret emails. There is give and take and then there is just plain take. Does this really make sense.

[quote=Tasine]~~~~~~~~~~~~
I am not a Christian, but I respect your beliefs and your thinking. I totally support the Christian faith as I believe it is what has held America together for over 200 years and given me a life that I would trade with no one.

However, in MY thinking, ANY law, any politician, any regulation that needlessly removes our God-given rights IS FORCING US TO DISOBEY GOD.[/quote

I am new here but it seems you and I think a lot alike. I went to Catholic schools. Sure I was brainwashed but it was a great education otherwise. I have since gone my separate way but I still respect religion and the fact that it creates some lines that should not be crossed simply based on common sense and respect for others.

What this administration clearly has demonstrated is that it has no respect for anyone who does not think the same as they do. That is the first time that line has been stomped on much less crossed.

Obama exposed himself when he commented on his old college professors situation. He even said he knew better but he did it any way. That defines him and his administration. From that point on he and his administration have trampled on civil liberties and gone to extremes no other administration has ever come close to.

Not following up on the Boston bombers exposed them at their worse. With all the warning Russia provided us we ingnored them. Yet they were already accumulating secret info that had nothing to with national security. They were more concerned with the Tea Party then they were about the perpetrators of the Boston bombing.

Guys there is more that really makes one wonder. Jarrett was born in Iran to American parents. Barrack attended schools in Indonesia when he was younger (muslim). Was it simply fate that these two got together. Throw in George Soros and it does not take a brain surgeon to see what is going on. The liberal "brain" behind these guys is at least pre-cancerous if not already beyond repair. Soros was born in Germany and is the biggest proponent of a world gov't out there. Check him out too.

They already got caught bugging McConnell's office and they said they would do it again. No remorse at all. They are on a mission.

I think there has been some "speculation" that we were running guns out of Benghazi with Turkey and Syria in the equation. If that was the case that would explain why they wanted to stay in Benghazi while GB and others got out. At any rate there is much more to the story than meets the eyes. At any rate nothing can dismiss the fact that we did absolutely nothing to save those people. No matter what there is absolutely nothing this administration has done in Benghazi or any where else that gives us confidence in their motives or their decisions when it comes to anything to do with security. Rest assured Susan Rice will right the ship.....lol.

Valerie Jarret worked at the same law firm that Michelle did in Chicago. Michelle introduced Valerie to Barrack. Valerie is their guiding force, their guru so to speak. Jarrett was a Chicago insider and worked under Richard Daley and learned from him. She also knew Bill Ayers.

Jarrett is the one who got Michelle the $300K job at the Univ of Chicago MC, the same one they did not renew when Michelle left for the WH. She left for the WH with them. She sleeps at the WH she is like family. She has something like 6 full time secret service agents protecting her.

Everything goes thru her. She is probably the reason that Obama was not involved in Benghazi and instead got ready to go campaign in LV. It was probably going to be her call anyway.

The fact that they have been able to keep her out of the public eye relates directly to other Obama issues from the birth certificate on. Some call her the Puppet Master. She does not only have Obama's ear she is the one whispering into it.

Do your own homework on her and see what you come up with. Do not simply take my word for it. She personofies the Chicago approach to government. If you were to do a connect the dots on Obama's Chicago connections Jarret and Ayers pop out right from the get go. Remember Bill Ayres would be run out of the WH by public consent but Jarret gets a pass because they have kept her low profile. Jarret hired Axelrod to help get Michelle out of a legal bind when she was at the hospital. The Obama's owe her big time.