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Jul 27, 2017 23:15:34   #
I am truly in awe and loving respect of Slatten. OPP has been gifted with a true hero and good human being. You will never find the greater likes of him ever.
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Jul 27, 2017 23:07:02   #
missinglink wrote:
I have honored your opinions slatten . Before you ran off the rails here. Or are you experiencing the warm and
fuzzies brought on by a couple of jiggers from one of your special reserve bottles. That reminds me . I am about
to sit down to a nice steak and eggs dinner with a shot of Makers Mark about ten minutes before hand. If you were
here I would be delighted to share .

Thank you Marine.
You are kind


Insult and invite, friends do that. No harm.
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Jul 27, 2017 23:04:35   #
missinglink wrote:
Gee thanks Doc . Now please get rid of those from less lofty perches . You know . Those pesky little people who Identify with one generalized political label or other .
When you are done there , in oh say a couple of months , why not spend some time on those who identify car manufactures or underwear of choice . Granted
they are not ideologies but there is certainly some work to be done there.

I take it you were at the head of god's line when he was handing out reason . How forunate
for you .
Gee thanks Doc . Now please get rid of those from ... (show quote)


Thank you, yes, very fortunate, happenstance. Had a moment with God for one question: are you right of left, I asked? He looked around and then said, "I am the center of all that is."
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Jul 27, 2017 22:56:00   #
slatten49 wrote:
Good 'uns Try these for fair and balanced's sake....

Thirty-three good quotes on conservatives/Republicans

1. "Today's so-called 'conservatives' don't even know what the word means. They think I've turned liberal because I believe a woman has a
right to an abortion. That's a decision that's up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right. It's not a conservative issue at all." - Barry Goldwater

2. "I cannot help fearing that men may reach a point where they look on every new theory as a danger, every innovation as a toilsome trouble, every social advance as a first step toward revolution, and that they may absolutely refuse to move at all."- Alexis de Tocqueville

3. "Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." - Mark Twain

4. "Conservatism discards Prescription, shrinks from Principle, disavows Progress; having rejected all respect for antiquity, it offers no redress for the present, and makes no preparation for the future."- Benjamin Disraeli

5. "Have you ever wondered why Republicans are so interested in encouraging people to volunteer in their communities? It's because volunteers work for no pay. Republicans have been trying to get people to work for no pay for a long time."- George Carlin

6. "Republicans approve of the American farmer, but they are willing to help him go broke. They stand four-square for the American home -- but not for housing. They are strong for labor -- but they are stronger for restricting labor's rights. They favor minimum wage -- the smaller the minimum wage the better. They endorse educational opportunity for all -- but they won't spend money for teachers or for schools. They think modern medical care and hospitals are fine -- for people who can afford them. They consider electrical power a great blessing -- but only when the private power companies get their rake-off. They think American standard of living is a fine thing -- so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire of Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it." - Harry S. Truman

7. "Republicans are men of narrow vision, who are afraid of the future." - Jimmy Carter

8. "Latins for Republicans -- it's like roaches for Raid."- John Leguizamo

9. "A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned to walk forward."- Franklin D. Roosevelt

10. "A conservative is a man who just sits and thinks, mostly sits." - Woodrow Wilson

11. "I like that about the Republicans; the evidence does not faze them, they are not bothered at all by the facts." - Bill Clinton

12. "A conservative is someone who makes no changes and consults his grandmother when in doubt." - Woodrow Wilson

13. "A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy."- Benjamin Disraeli

14. "A Conservative is a fellow who is standing athwart history yelling 'Stop!'." - William F. Buckley, Jr.

15. "Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." - John Stuart Mill

16. "Even as someone who's labeled a conservative -- I'm a Republican, I'm black, I'm heading up this organization in the Reagan administration -- I can say that conservatives don't exactly break their necks to tell blacks that they're welcome."- Clarence Thomas

17. "In the United States I have always believed that there was a big difference between Conservative and stupid. Boy is it getting harder to prove that one by the minute."- Rick Mercer

18. "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

19. "When a nation's young men are conservative, its funeral bell is already rung."- Henry Ward Beecher

20. "I wonder how many times you have to be hit on the head before you find out who's hitting you? It's about time that the people of America
realized what the Republicans have been doing to them." - Harry Truman

21. "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

22. "A conservative is one who admires radicals centuries after they're dead."- Leo Rosten

23. "Conservatives define themselves in terms of what they oppose."- George Will

24. "The Republicans are looking after the financial interests of the wealthiest individuals in this country." - Edward Kennedy

25. "Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear." - William E. Gladstone

26. "Republicans don't like people who talk about depressions. You can hardly blame them for that. You remember the old saying: Don't talk
about rope in the house where somebody has been hanged." - Harry Truman

27. "You have to have been a Republican to know how good it is to be a Democrat." - Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis

28. "Brains, you know, are suspect in the Republican Party."- Walter J. Lippmann

29. "Herbert Hoover once ran on the slogan, 'Two cars in every garage'. Apparently, the Republican candidate this year is running on the slogan, 'Two families in every garage'." - Harry Truman

30. "Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Republican. But, I repeat myself."- Harry Truman

31. "Democrats legislate; Republicans investigate." - Lyndon Johnson

32. "A gathering of Democrats is more sweaty, disorderly, offhand, and rowdy than a gathering of Republicans; it is also likely to be more cheerful, imaginative, tolerant of dissent, and skillful at the game of give-and-take. A gathering of Republicans is more respectable, sober, purposeful, and businesslike than a gathering of Democrats; it is also likely to be more self-righteous, pompous, cut-and-dried, and just plain boring." - Clinton Rossiter

33. "The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The
Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then get elected and prove it." - P.J. O'Rourke

Now, you have these
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Bravo! Do not agree with all but in theme, yes.
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Jul 27, 2017 22:52:51   #
missinglink wrote:
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2010/11/23/the-25-best-quotes-about-liberals-n1241507

25) Whenever I read liberals reporting about the goings- on of conservatives I always get the nature-documentary vibe. A liberal reporter puts on his or her Dian Fossey hat in order to attempt to write another installment of Conservatives in the Mist. I've followed this particular brand of reporting for years, it's almost a fetish of mine. Most attempts fail. Of these lesser varieties, there's fear ("Troglodytes!"), mockery ("Irrelevant troglodytes!"), condescension ("I had to explain to them they're troglodytes."), bewilderment ("Why don't they understand they're troglodytes?"), astonishment (Dear God, they're not all troglodytes!"), and a few combinations of all the above. -- Jonah Goldberg
24) There are no bad guys on the left. There are only people who’ve been driven to desperation by conservative evil. -- Allahpundit
23) Words mean nothing to liberals. They say whatever will help advance their cause at the moment, switch talking points in a heartbeat, and then act indignant if anyone uses the exact same argument they were using five minutes ago. -- Ann Coulter
22) Inside many liberals is a totalitarian screaming to get out. They don't like to have another point of view in the room that they don't squash and the way they try to squash it is by character assassination and name calling. -- David Horowitz
21) The reason any conservative's failing is always major news is that it allows liberals to engage in their very favorite taunt: Hypocrisy! Hypocrisy is the only sin that really inflames them. Inasmuch as liberals have no morals, they can sit back and criticize other people for failing to meet the standards that liberals simply renounce. It's an intriguing strategy. By openly admitting to being philanderers, draft dodgers, liars, weasels and cowards, liberals avoid ever being hypocrites. -- Ann Coulter
20) Indiscriminateness of thought does not lead to indiscriminateness of policy. It leads the modern liberal to invariably side with evil over good, wrong over right and the behaviors that lead to failure over those that lead to success. Why? Very simply if nothing is to be recognized as better or worse than anything else then success is de facto unjust.
There is no explanation for success if nothing is better than anything else and the greater the success the greater the injustice. Conversely and for the same reason, failure is de facto proof of victimization and the greater the failure, the greater the proof of the victim is, or the greater the victimization. -- Evan Sayet
19) It was in the 1960s that the left convinced itself that there is something fascistic about patriotism and something perversely "patriotic" about running down America. Anti-Americanism -- a stand-in for hatred of Western civilization -- became the stuff of sophisticates and intellectuals as never before. Flag burners became the truest "patriots" because dissent -- not just from partisan politics, but the American project itself -- became the highest virtue. -- Jonah Goldberg
18) But all liberals only have empathy for the exact same victims -- always the ones that are represented by powerful liberal interest groups. -- Ann Coulter
17) Liberals have created, and the minority leadership has exploited, a community of dependent people, unaware of the true route to prosperity and happiness: self-reliance and self-investment. Instead, people are told that America is unjust, unfair, and full of disadvantages. They are told that their only hope is for government to fix their problems. What has happened is that generations of people have bought into this nonsense and as a result have remained hopelessly mired in poverty and despair -- because the promised solutions don't work. And they will never work -- they never have. -- Rush Limbaugh
16) One of the overriding points of Liberal Fascism is that all of the totalitarian "isms" of the left commit the fallacy of the category error. They all want the state to be something it cannot be. They passionately believe the government can love you, that the state can be your God or your church or your tribe or your parent or your village or all of these things at once. Conservatives occasionally make this mistake, libertarians never do, liberals almost always do. -- Jonah Goldberg
15) Given the religious nature and the emotional power of Leftist values, Jews and Christians on the Left often derive their values from the Left more than from their religion. -- Dennis Prager
14) When one becomes a liberal, he or she pretends to advocate tolerance, equality and peace, but hilariously, they're doing so for purely selfish reasons. It's the human equivalent of a puppy dog's face: an evolutionary tool designed to enhance survival, reproductive value and status. In short, liberalism is based on one central desire: to look cool in front of others in order to get love. Preaching tolerance makes you look cooler, than saying something like, “please lower my taxes” -- Greg Gutfeld
13) Stupidity is a luxury and you will find time and time and time and again that those who are overwhelmingly on the left are those who can afford to be. -- Evan Sayet
12) With their infernal racial set-asides, racial quotas, and race norming, liberals share many of the Klan's premises. The Klan sees the world in terms of race and ethnicity. So do liberals! Indeed, liberals and white supremacists are the only people left in America who are neurotically obsessed with race. Conservatives champion a color-blind society. -- Ann Coulter
11) If the truth is boring, civilization is irksome. The constraints inherent in civilized living are frustrating in innumerable ways. Yet those with the vision of the anointed often see these constraints as only arbitrary impositions, things from which they--and we all--can be “liberated.” The social disintegration which has followed in the wake of such liberation has seldom provoked any serious reconsideration of the whole set of assumptions--the vision--which led to such disasters. That vision is too well insulated from feedback. -- Thomas Sowell
10) Liberals claim to love gays when it allows them to vent their spleen at Republicans. But disagree with liberals and their first response is to call you gay. Liberals are gays' biggest champions on issues most gays couldn't care less about, like gay marriage or taxpayer funding of photos of men with bullwhips up their derrieres. But who has done more to out, embarrass, and destroy the lives of gay men who prefer to keep their orientation private than Democrats? Who is more intolerant of gays in the Republican Party than gays in the Democratic Party? -- Ann Coulter
9) End results that work that don't involve government threaten liberals. -- Rush Limbaugh
8) In their zeal for particular kinds of decisions to be made, those with the vision of the anointed seldom consider the nature of the process by which decisions are made. Often what they propose amounts to third-party decision making by people who pay no cost for being wrong--surely one of the least promising ways of reaching decisions satisfactory to those who must live with the consequences. -- Thomas Sowell
7) That is one reason "feelings" and "compassion" are two of the most often used liberal terms. "Character" is no longer a liberal word because it implies self-restraint. "Good and evil" are not liberal words either as they imply a moral standard beyond one's feelings. In assessing what position to take on moral or social questions, the liberal asks him or herself, "How do I feel about it?" or "How do I show the most compassion?" -- not "What is right?" or "What is wrong?" For the liberal, right and wrong are dismissed as unknowable, and every person chooses his or her own morality. -- Dennis Prager
6) In their haste to be wiser and nobler than others, the anointed have misconceived two basic issues. They seem to assume (1) that they have more knowledge than the average member of the benighted and (2) that this is the relevant comparison. The real comparison, however, is not between the knowledge possessed by the average member of the educated elite versus the average member of the general public, but rather the total direct knowledge brought to bear though social processes (the competition of the marketplace, social sorting, etc.), involving millions of people, versus the secondhand knowledge of generalities possessed by a smaller elite group. -- Thomas Sowell
5) Everyone moralizes. The suggestion that liberals aren't moralizers is so preposterous it makes it hard for me to take any of them seriously when they wax indignant about "moralizers." Almost every day, they tell us what is moral or immoral to think and to say about race, taxes, abortion — you name it. They explain it would be immoral for me to spend more of my own money on my own children when that money could be spent by government on other people’s children. In short, they think moralizing is fine. They just want to have a monopoly on the franchise. -- Jonah Goldberg
4) If you can somehow force a liberal into a point- counterpoint argument, his retorts will bear no relation to what you've said -- unless you were in fact talking about your looks, your age, your weight, your personal obsessions, or whether you are a fascist. In the famous liberal two-step, they leap from one idiotic point to the next, so you can never nail them. It's like arguing with someone with Attention Deficit Disorder. -- Ann Coulter
3) My analysis is that most faith based systems depend upon an absolute moral order. The declaration of things as absolutely evil or absolutely good, as sin or virtue, puts liberalism into a horrible position because it's founded on no judgment on anything. As a result, any faith that is seriously practiced or understood is a challenge to the politics that depend on constituencies that would rather not be told that their choices are bad and their lives are not virtuous. -- Hugh Hewitt
2) The charge is often made against the intelligentsia and other members of the anointed that their theories and the policies based on them lack common sense. But the very commonness of common sense makes it unlikely to have any appeal to the anointed. How can they be wiser and nobler than everyone else while agreeing with everyone else? -- Thomas Sowell
1) To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil. -- Charles Krauthammer

There you have it .
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My experience of Conservatives, ditto.
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Jul 27, 2017 22:49:03   #
PeterS wrote:
Confirmation bias? Both are political ideologies and based on the form of philosophies that we follow. To have no ideology means you have no philosophical foundation and that's just scary. With all due respect you have no clue what you are talking about.


I disagree. One has no need for a philosophical grounding: that is bias. To think a math background makes you biased to a certain conclusion is not bias but precise thought: there is one answer. The illusion that Party affiliation gives you a better or right or true perspective on any issue is delusion. Madness. Decisions should not be based on any philosophies we follow. That is arrogance. With no respect, you are clueless as to true intellectual discourse. We self-centeredly think, at the greater expense of humanity, that some philosophy or ideology can save us. Nonsense. All beliefs are useless.
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Jul 27, 2017 22:32:08   #
lpnmajor wrote:
Of course there's a reason, in fact, there are a number of them.

1. It is a useful tool to ruin political/personal rivals. Remember, the agencies do not have to wait for a warrant, for charges to be filed, or a case adjudicated, they only need an accusation. There are documented cases where a detective made an anonymous phone call accusing someone of drug dealing - because the victim had a boat he wanted and could buy cheap at a Sheriffs auction.

2. The AG has dementia, and believes it is the 1980's, with a full blown war on drugs. A war, BTW, that we lost, because the tools backfired. he wants to start all over again, doing the same failed things we did before. remember the definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over, hoping for a different result.

3. The threat alone has power...don't f&ck with Trump or his cronies, or you'll lose everything you own.
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This decision has incredible far-reaching powers of undermining the Constitution and ushering in a dictatorship. The threat of legally impoverishing a person, persons, group, or institution if they do not cooperate or name government's prime suspect as the culprit, defines dictatorship.
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Jul 27, 2017 22:22:38   #
saltwind 78 wrote:
Eugene, I am not familiar with this policy, but thank you for informing us about it. IT SOUNDS LIKE A POLICY OF SOME FORIGN DICTATORSHIP. It's downright un American!


I agree.
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Jul 27, 2017 22:22:04   #
BigMike wrote:
The do civil forfeitures everywhere, and have been for a long time. Where have you people been? Oh yeah...voting for the people who think stealing from citizens is the way to finance the social programs they buy next election with. How is Trump responsible for a decades old problem...most of which is under the jurisdiction of states and municipalities? Federal civil forfeiture? What do you know about it to begin with? Who do the Feds target for civil forfeiture...mobsters...El Chapo? Sessions is probably going to go and you won't hear any more about it.
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Wow, impressive nonsense.
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Jul 27, 2017 22:18:14   #
If you will, a form of insanity. I do not get these labels. It is so thoroughly absurd. Down the rabbit hole stuff. Truth is truth. What is best is best. What is wrong is wrong. But most cling to instead of looks to be free of pre-suppositions based on anything, ideological imperatives, and party platform. It is a mental illness to call oneself Conservative or Liberal. Perhaps the solving of social problems does not come down as clean as math, though it may, then try solving a math problem by party affiliation. Oops. We do that with Climate change. That does not mean we have to limit our discernment or thought process by party affiliation. Such labels are a disgrace to God's gift of Reason and the integrity of humankind.
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Jul 24, 2017 22:26:02   #
Civil asset forfeiture is the latest dangerous from the Trump administration. The new rule announced by the Justice Department won't just expand the practice. It's designed specifically to defeat protections passed at the state level.

It will almost certainly lead to abuse.

As reported by the Washington Post: "The Justice Department announced a new federal policy Wednesday to help state and local police take cash and property from people suspected of a crime, even without a criminal charge, reversing an Obama administration rule prompted by past abuse by police."

The practice is known as civil asset forfeiture. Under this law a police officer can seize any property he believes was involved in a crime without obtaining either a warrant or probable cause.

Originally, the government pushed forfeiture in the 1970s and 80s to fight drugs and organized crime. Law enforcement wanted to prevent criminals from disappearing the large amounts of cash that fuels their business, and so police were empowered to seize any money they believed was involved in a crime. Over the years, however, the practice has grown to the point where the government began seizing assets far beyond cash in a wide variety of situations, including cars, homes and even businesses.

Many local police departments have begun to rely on it as a revenue source, targeting out of town drivers in what are known as "cash-for-freedom" deals.

On average, only about one seizure in ten ever leads to criminal charges, but historically, defendants have struggled to get any of their money or property back. One investigation by the Washington Post found that between 2001 and 2014, state and local police departments had seized nearly $2.5 billion in collective assets without warrants. Often these seizures occur during unrelated traffic stops, during which the Post found that police "pressed [drivers] to agree to searches without warrants and seized large amounts of cash when there was no evidence of wrongdoing."

https://www.thestreet.com/story/14237541/1/civil-forfeiture-trump-resurrects-an-ugly-practice-for-no-reason.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO&yptr=yahoo
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Jul 17, 2017 22:35:37   #
lindajoy wrote:
Both of you fine gentlemen are correct.. Russia has been trying for years as have others.. Once they got a direct link to Hills they were in...

Bo knew of Russia's meddling for many years yet did nothing?? DNC knew yet did nothing, why??

Trump did not know but was accused of being involved and all investigations say he was not involved.. Just as they confirm no obstruction either..
But these people don't want truth, it doesn't help them in trying to move this country into their progressive communism they are trying to bring in!!!!

It's a glorious world we live in and our country the finest!!

G20 Summit showed a Statesman in our President Trump, keeping America FIRST!!!
Both of you fine gentlemen are correct.. Russia ha... (show quote)


I am gaining a steady respect for your comments. You seem to be honest and forthright. A clear voice. Thank you.
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Jul 17, 2017 22:29:54   #
Eugene Debs wrote:
"The wound is where the light enters you." Rumi

The "wound" can be what is perceived as a nick, such as lima beans and ham; not even a wound but a bruise. Nothing truly serious. No big deal. Just the way it is. But if it bothers us in any way, in any way, it is diagnostic of a deeper and prevailing problem. To look any deeper will appear utterly foolish. This food just sucks, end of story. Any sane person with active taste buds would reject this meal. Shoo with your psychological babble.

Yes, it can be that simple. And really complicated. With the basic equipment of an ego, we all hold a sense of specialness and entitlement. If those two things are based on deficiency, not getting from our family of origin a loving confidence and encouragement and overcompensating, this simple slight of arbitrarily receiving c rations that were considered "bad" is enough for untoward behavior.
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There is the "broken shoelace" conundrum. A happy, easy-going person is under a little pressure to get to work on time. Without any problems, he should make it fine. Tying his shoes, the lace breaks. His whole world falls quickly apart. He is yelling obscenities, throws that shoe against the far wall, and is wailing at the moon. Was it really a case of a broken shoelace? Was that truly sufficient cause? Is looking deeper into this incident psycho-babble?
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Jul 17, 2017 22:20:42   #
"The wound is where the light enters you." Rumi

The "wound" can be what is perceived as a nick, such as lima beans and ham; not even a wound but a bruise. Nothing truly serious. No big deal. Just the way it is. But if it bothers us in any way, in any way, it is diagnostic of a deeper and prevailing problem. To look any deeper will appear utterly foolish. This food just sucks, end of story. Any sane person with active taste buds would reject this meal. Shoo with your psychological babble.

Yes, it can be that simple. And really complicated. With the basic equipment of an ego, we all hold a sense of specialness and entitlement. If those two things are based on deficiency, not getting from our family of origin a loving confidence and encouragement and overcompensating, this simple slight of arbitrarily receiving c rations that were considered "bad" is enough for untoward behavior.
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Jul 17, 2017 21:52:42   #
mongo wrote:
Well, obviously you are still believing the liberal lies that have been bottle fed to you and put you to sleep. Try waking up and doing a little research to see what's really going on in our country. And do it while leaving Trump out of the equation. You will find things that are absolutely mind blowing!

SEMPER FI


When you say "liberal lies" be specific and use sites to debunk them. They are not necessarily lies because someone said they were. To call them lies demands a presentation of truth. I do research, constantly. Do you? If so, share some. Thank you for your service.
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