Why don't you look it up instead of just calling people liars because they mention facts you don't like?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/03/18/coronavirus-did-president-trumps-decision-disband-global-pandemic-office-hinder-response/5064881002/


Dude... just because you're not prone to die from it doesn't mean you can't spread it. WTF is wrong with you? Hasn't this been explained to you hundreds of times already?

I sure hope you're not running around spreading filthy disease to people who CAN die from it just because you happen to feel fine.

So tired of hearing this tripe from people who never actually do the research. So, you didn't like Obama... whatever. The fact is. Trump cut funding for the CDC. The fact is Trump dismantled the global health security department in the NSC. The fact is Trump ignored the warnings from the experts on biodefense and medicine when they told him as recently as last year that the potential for a pandemic was a high security risk.

All you have is "uh... it's ovomit fault because he hated the US"

This is exactly why we think Trump supporters are the most retarded people on the planet.

You defy their projections? Is that your way of saying that people are overreacting?

Not a bad idea. LOL

I would be careful about this... When Trump first announced this act, it gave me pause... I thought for a good long 5 seconds that Diaper Donny might have a human side. Then I remembered how predators like to take advantage of desperate people and offering money is a common technique for luring people into traps... People need to keep in mind that Trump is a professional con-man. It's the one thing he is actually good at.

So, when a con-man becomes president and takes YOUR tax money which was supposed to go to our defense systems against disease and hands it to his billionaire buddies instead so they can play the stock market and suddenly a pandemic comes along it's time to pay attention. When he starts handing some of our money back to help us deal with the very situation that our money was supposed to help prevent, it's time to get downright suspicious.

Well, that's what he SAYS... But if you actually consider what he DOES, it's a completely different story.


He already has. Thank God for the local governments and business community for doing such an outstanding job considering the abysmal response of the federal government under Trump. He screwed this up before it even happened by cutting CDC funding and shutting down the global health security office. Are we not allowed to point that out Carol?


They call him that because people like YOU, who IGNORE the facts make THEM furious.


All they would have to do is NOT degrade the system like Trump did and our response would have been much more effective, which for a pandemic is exponentially critical. I don't think any of the other presidents would have been so slow in responding when the outbreak first happened, either.


gracious? intelligent? Are we talking about the same guy?


Why?


Kudos? For having five children with three different women? Heck, that happens all the time in the ghettos.

I'm pretty sure Kevyn DOES care and that's WHY he posted what he did. Anyone who CARES will consider the fact that Trump has made a bad situation worse. There is nothing political about that. If he was a Democrat I would be saying the same thing and Kevyn probably would too.

The only people being "political" at this point are the people spinning their wheels trying to defend a president who is responsible for weakening our defense against the threat of a pandemic. If you were to put politics aside for a moment you might actually see where Kevyn is coming from.

I agree with the need to unite in these trying times and one way to do that is to vote Trump out this November (if the "wartime" POS hasn't figured out a way to stay in office).

What the American people need now is faith. And I don't mean throwing our hands up and hoping that God will take care of us; I mean faith in our ability as humans to mitigate the situation. This faith is being bolstered by the courageous and sacrificial actions we see in local governments and in the business sector. But the federal government under Trump has been a glaring exception, starting with the fact that in his 3 years in office so far, he has weakened our defense against the threat of a pandemic.

Every budget proposal he initiated made drastic cuts to the CDC, forcing the House to intercede. After his predatory 2017 tax cuts, there wasn't even enough money left in the Treasury for the House to reallocate.

Trump also dismantled the the National Security Council's global health security office. I bet you didn't know that. Just last year, Luciana Borio, director of medical and biodefense preparedness at the National Security Council, warned Trump that the threat of a pandemic should be considered a high priority and Trump ignored her and proceeded to cut all budget allocations that would have helped us prepare for the pandemic that Trump wasn't counting on. And if that wasn't enough to drill the message Trump shut down the global health security office. Trump's actions caused Borio and pretty much the entire staff of medical and biodefense experts to leave the White House.

So, yes - pointing out the flaws is an act of responsibility, even if that flaw is Trump.

trash, Bernie is an admitted democratic-socialist... Joe Biden is a successful capitalist and so is Pelosi. None of them are communist. If you can grow out of your diapers you might find that these words actually represent concepts, not just insults.

Genevieve, what are you ranting about and who is it directed at?

Just stop with your tap dancing. It's very, very simple. 501c is off limits to politically motivated organizations. Take your hat and your violin somewhere else.


That wasn't a cheap shot you dramatic wuss - it was light hearted poke. At least Linda understood where I was coming from and we both laughed about it. You obviously got a stick up yer ass. Crack me later when you have something worth discussing.

Good point, I should clarify...

There is no executive order that literally says the Constitution can be suspended. But there are a number of them that override the norms that we often refer to as constitutional. For instance the enumeration of congressional power as defined in Article I, section 8 which is intended to limit the power of the federal government. Overriding this "spirit of the letter" are some of the executive orders I was referring to.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

As you probably know, any of these options can be invoked with a simple stroke of the pen by the president bypassing Congress entirely.

The reason why I call these overrides to the "norms that we often refer to as constitutional" is because technically, they don't violate the constitution at all, just the normal perception of what we think the constitution represents. So I wasn't being literal in that sense.

The fact is the enumeration of power as described in Article I section 8 only applies to Congress. There is actually no such limit on the executive branch. BTW, this also applies to our Bill of Rights. So technically, Trump DOES have a constitutional right to take away our guns and our freedom of speech.

Of course the *idea* is that Congress makes the law and the president only enforces them so why would the Constitution need to apply such limits to the executive? I consider this one of several faults in the Constitution. I'm a Jeffersonian anti-federalist in case you haven't figured that out ;)

I'm also far from perfect, which leads me to this... I was dead wrong in assuming Nixon signed these orders. When you challenged me, I of course did some homework and found it not to be the case. So I'm owning up to that now.

I'm already over my limit on time spent on this site, so I'm going to leave it at that for now. I have read your entire post and agree with most of it. I'll just say this in parting...

I think the American people have cause to worry about an abusive president considering the power he has. This isn't just in reference to Trump, but the office itself. If one really considers the Constitution for what it is, we would realize the incredible trust we must have in the person that sits at that desk. I think this alone validates the concerns people have about Trump. There's a lot more to the liberal reaction to Trump than "hating the person".

As for martial law... My earlier statements stand but I am under no illusion that we have all that much legal security against it or that the Constitution can save us from tyranny (which was kind of my point)

Oh, and thank you Linda for keeping me honest ;)

So, is you're intention to inform me or make me choke? ;)


I'm quite familiar with this one... I did a lot of research and wrote a published article about it.
The reason why it appeared that the IRS was scrutinizing conservative groups and not liberal groups is that almost all the political groups applying for 501c status were in fact conservative. 501c is a tax-exemption status that is reserved for non-profit, non-political organizations. When the IRS noticed a flood of applications from conservative political groups, they started to scrutinize and the conservative groups started to scream that the IRS under Obama is being unfair. They need to understand that if only one team on the field commits fouls on every play they ARE going to get most of the penalties. Simple solution. Don't cheat.
As for the apology that was more an appeasement. Kind of like how a nurse might apologize for the pinch you felt when getting a booster shot.

I'm not going to address the rest of your nuggets from the heat lamps of right-wing media. I don't have the time and people generally don't like it when I post really long responses. The deplorables don't even read them so it turns out being a waste of my time. I don't know you well enough to make such assumptions but if there's a particular nugget you want to get into let me know. I prefer a more comprehensive discussion on a specific topic and too often I see people on the right trying to make up for a lack of depth with a sheer abundance of shallow references.

I hope you understand.

Yes, crystal meth is another one. Personally, I would never risk my health with that drug but as a liberal I consider that my personal choice. I don't need a law to tell everyone else they can't do it.

Polygamy is another one... One wife is enough for me but if other people want more then that's their choice as long as no one is being forced into it. Ironically, the regions where polygamy is most abundant, such as Utah, also happens to be well-known strongholds of the Republican party.

Infanticide is different because it's not what a liberal would call a personal choice or a personal freedom. It's an assault on another person, which makes it a crime and as such the prohibition is supported on both sides of the political divide.

I might have misunderstood what you meant when you responded to Blade's comment about the disaster martial law would invoke with... "It's been pretty tame over here...


Has it?


Well... we Americans *do* tend to be over reactive. But most of the panic I see is limited to the imagination of deplorables who are trying to spread the notion that liberal media is intentionally trying to create panic to screw with Trump's election chances.

The reality is people are buying up stocks of toilet paper and that's about it.