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Oct 4, 2020 22:03:13   #
Rose42 wrote:
The rumitoid is not a doctor. This is an opinion piece he copied and pasted.


Oh. LOL. Good thing my post wasn't predicated on rumitoid being a doctor.
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Oct 4, 2020 14:44:46   #
rumitoid wrote:
When I learned that Donald Trump is infected with COVID-19, I did not have the normal reaction that I would have, as a doctor, to an overweight septuagenarian getting infected with this deadly virus. Instead, I immediately thought of the positives that could come out of this. Not because I revel in suffering but precisely because I ardently desire millions more people to avoid the death and disability that this virus invites. A virus that snuffs out life indiscriminately. Or perhaps a little too discriminatingly in certain populations, most of whom are not represented in the Trump inner circle.

Maybe Donald and Melania will finally, though inadvertently, be the effective spokespeople for this virus that reason, logic, science, compassion and morality dictated that they be 200,000 lives ago. Perhaps this will be the wake-up call that the tens of millions who adore him, who hang on his every word, who look to him for guidance and leadership, so much so that they are willing to consider ingesting bleach, will heed.

Maybe, just maybe, this is the jolt of reality that only this reality TV star can provide.

Is it wrong for a doctor to be writing these words? I would argue, in fact, that it is precisely in line with the ethics of my profession to welcome the dissemination and augmentation of public health awareness in the context of this pandemic and our country’s failed response to it. For some who follow Hollywood types, it was beloved Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson whose diagnoses snapped people to attention at the start of this pandemic to take it with the gravity it deserved. For sports fans, it was the stories coming out of the NBA with Rudy Gobert’s ridiculous mic touching stunt and the souring of his relationship with Donovan Mitchell after the Utah Jazz coronavirus outbreak.

Others looked to their president and saw a maskless man who mocked those who covered their faces in the context of an airborne illness, who compared it to the flu and said it would go away like a miracle. They looked to the man they voted for and believed in and prayed for as he persisted to downplay the virus as the number of COVID-19 deaths continued to fill increasing numbers of imaginary football stadiums many times over. And even as stories came out of diehard Trump loyalists who succumbed to COVID-19 while regretting not taking this more seriously, he continued to contradict the clear public health messaging of his top officials, undermining and undercutting at every turn.

My colleagues and I have watched, our stomachs turning and churning in twisted knots of anger, as Trump has continued to host superspreader events throughout the country as recently as this past week. Just like the one Herman Cain attended whose life ended shortly thereafter. White hot rage has been our default setting for so many of us in health care over the last eight months, as we have been keenly aware of the broad swaths of precious lives needlessly lost due to the criminal negligence of this administration. I remember how my insides blazed as I watched Vice President Mike Pence traipse through Mayo Clinic without a mask and how there wasn’t a single person in that hospital who was willing to stand up for their patients and colleagues and call out the emperor who had no mask. This administration has been, literally, sickening.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/trump-tests-positive-coronavirus-doctor-160100764.html
When I learned that Donald Trump is infected with ... (show quote)


Not everyone on this site is going to agree with you doc. There's a new wave of blue collar workers that know way more about this than doctors and scientists do. But they listen to Trump. Trump is rich, so he must be really smart. So why listen to doctors who are probably paid by super powerful Marxists anyway when you have rich people that always expose the truth?

That being said, I agree with you and this is what a lot of people are saying... If Trump can get over himself (because you know, he is NEVER wrong) he COULD change the message. All he has to do is say, "OK folks, the virus is real and we need to wear masks". Millions of Trump supporters will immediately put masks on, 'cause you know... Trump is so rich and so smart.

There maybe some hope... This experience seems to have already changed something in Trump's attitude. I noticed that after contracting the virus, he hasn't called it the China virus. He called it "whatever you want to call it." Donny... it's called severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). You can shorten that to corona virus if you like but it would be better for the president to be real about things instead of injecting conspiracy theories into everything that assails us.
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Oct 4, 2020 13:30:49   #
Crayons wrote:
Democrat Joe Biden would not share that Antifa is a terrorist organization but the URL Antifa.com redirects to Joe Biden’s campaign http://antifa.com/ ""KlanTeeFa""


It's very easy to buy a domain name, register it on a name server and redirect traffic anywhere you want. Antifa.com was probably open because antifa isn't even an organization.

There is also a counterfeit BLM site that was set up the same way.

Maybe I'll spend a day looking for a domain name that people would assume is owned by Trump or his supporters, something like "support-trump.org" and direct traffic to a tranny dating site. Seriously, it would cost me a few hours and probably $35.

Seriously, if you folks don't get more tech-savvy you're just going to get more and more confused and vulnerable.
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Oct 4, 2020 13:20:32   #
drlarrygino wrote:
Right wing fascism as a serious problem is just another hoax perpetuated by the leftist marxists who are the most destructive force in our society today and any society for that matter.


No it's not.

Fascism has always been "right-wing" from the time Mussolini became the prototype to the alt-right in America today. Fascism, as exemplified by Mussolini, is among other things a collection of methods for taking power from an existing democracy. Trump is following many of those methods, including an appeal to militia groups, creating division among the people, holding rallies for "his people", encouraging national chauvinism and of course the heavy use of propaganda to undermine a nation's faith in it's own democracy.

Marxism has always been "left-wing" and many variations of Marxism have developed, but none of them have been popular in America, which does have a communist party but it's so tiny they can't even put anyone on a ballot. What *is* popular on the left is something called "Democratic Socialism" which is what you see in places like Germany today, who BTW, enjoy a better standard of living than we do here. But even they are outnumbered on the left by Keynesian capitalists.

As for myself, I like a hybrid of Keynesian capitalism (so capitalism that is regulated by the government just like Adam Smith had recommended in order to maintain stability and growth and democratic socialism for those human critical services that don't offer the profits that capitalism needs.

If I had to label myself I would wear the Geolibertarian badge. In other words, no income tax, only property tax and then only on property that owners profit from. Winston Churchill was a geolibertarian.

Sorry to disappoint you... But that whole democrat-marxist thing is a ridiculous "hoax" that fools only those who really don't know economics. So, pretty much the alt-right.
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Oct 4, 2020 12:53:57   #
drlarrygino wrote:
George Soreass has many off shore and hidden bank accounts. Look no further thn that Hungarian traitor who is a Nazi to be a huge funder of Antifa and Black Lies Matter.


LOL - It's interesting how right-wing neo-nazis always pull out Soros because of his brush with Nazis when he was a teenager as if they can deflect every accusation of fascism by pointing to Soros... "But look at Soros.! He's a Nazi AND a DEMOCRAT!!!"

We liberals never even think about him because we know he denounced Nazism a long time ago and was never enthused about it anyway, he was just a kid trying to survive the Nazi occupation. Is he a big time contributor? I guess so... like so many other people who contribute vast sums on both sides. For us, he kind of fades into that crowd.

But he's always on the right-wing spice rack. Always handy for deflection when needed... the "Nazi Democrat" that excuses the entire rise of fascism on the right.
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Oct 4, 2020 12:43:25   #
Rose42 wrote:
Soros is too smart to directly contribute to any group. Years ago I followed paper trails to subversive groups from Soros but those are conveniently gone. Its a shame I didn't save any of that documentation.

yeeah... that's a shame.

Rose42 wrote:

Same for a lot of documentation about animal rightists and their support of domestic terrorist organizations - the Humane Society of the United States (H$U$) was/is one such supporter as is PETA. I wish I'd saved that too.

PETA? LOL! What a scary group, eh? Has your research found all the people they killed, or did you lose all that too?
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Oct 4, 2020 12:40:36   #
jim_oldman wrote:
Can ANYONE here, name the LEADER, or the headquarters, or THE BANK ACCOUNT, or ANYTHING that could qualify THE current DEMOCRATIC PARTY as an organization? That's precisely the reason these two current groups are so dangerous to America. Stupid is as Stupid does.


The Democratic National Committee is the governing body of the Democratic Party.

Leader: Tom Perez
Headquarters: 430 South Capitol St SE, Washington, D.C. 20003, U.S.
Bank Account: several, depending on the fund.

Any more questions, Sparky?
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Oct 4, 2020 12:34:05   #
America 1 wrote:
Rose City Antifa in Portland, which formed in 2007, is the longest standing antifa group in the U.S. and mainly focuses on research, said Ross. A Rose City representative declined to answer questions about membership numbers. Another Portland-based antifa group founded in 2018, called Popular Mobilization or PopMob, has less than 20 members, according to one of its founding members, Sylvan E. She responded to a Facebook message sent by the Deseret News to the official PopMob page and asked that her last name be withheld to protect her privacy.

Michael Kazin, a professor of history at Georgetown University and an expert in U.S. politics and social movements, estimates that at most, the number of people who identify as part of antifa, is in the low thousands.

But antifa’s following online is much bigger.
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That would make sense because none of the organizations that partake in anti-fascist activity add up to the sum total of all the organizations together.

America 1 wrote:

PopMob’s social media following has doubled, said Sylvan E. The group now has more than 20,000 followers on Twitter and 7,400 followers on Facebook. A website called Itsgoingdown, a platform that covers the antifa movement, went from having 9,000 followers on Twitter when Trump was elected, to 92,000 today, according to a website administrator.

Indeed, Trump HAS inadvertently become the most effective recruiter for antifa... ever.

America 1 wrote:

“Antifa activists focus on harassing right-wing extremists both online and in real life,” the Anti Defamation League reported. “The use of violent measures by some antifa against their adversaries can create a vicious, self-defeating cycle of attacks, counter-attacks and blame. This is why most established civil rights organizations criticize antifa tactics as dangerous and counterproductive.”

As do I.

America 1 wrote:

Ross said much of antifa sees nonviolence as an ineffective tactic against fascists. Bray said property destruction is “one of the tools in their tool box,” in addition to doxxing (disclosing sensitive information as a form of harassment) and community mobilization. When Bray was working at Dartmouth College, the president of the school wrote a letter disavowing Bray’s research, because he did not denounce the legitimacy of violent protest tactics. Although, Bray says, violence is “not always the most effective strategy.”
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Yeah... I'm not sure if you were expecting me to argue with anything you've stated. I am not denying antifa's inclination to violence any more than I would deny the right-wing extremists doing the same thing.

The delusion I was talking about is Trump's argument with Biden that antifa is an organization. It would be easier if they were because the FBI could target the top of the orgchart. But antifa is thousands of people mostly in their 20's acting on their own.

And telling the ProudBoys, a right-wing extremist organization known for harassing and intimidating people with their guns and macho acts, to stand by because "someone has to do something about antifa" is really pouring gasoline on the fire.
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Oct 4, 2020 12:06:28   #
America 1 wrote:
Okay, let's call them what they are.
A gang of assholes.


Better yet, just assholes... Some of them might be in gangs, a lot of them are just individuals that see others wearing black hoodies and confronting bigots at protests and figure they'll do the same.

To be honest, I am just as concerned about the fascism rising on the right but I'm sticking to legal and appropriate channels provided by our constitutional republic to (hopefully) counter that rise, even with Trump in office, because I still have faith in American democracy and I honestly think the majority of American people are on my side of this issue.
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Oct 2, 2020 02:07:10   #
John Meoff wrote:
How does anything with no organization produce with uniforms like this?

People don't need an organization to copy what they see other people wearing. Did hippies need an organization to get them wearing tie-dye?
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Oct 2, 2020 02:04:14   #
America 1 wrote:
Landeros founded the "community Armed Self-Defense" Antifa group, according to Ammoland, and was wearing a "smash the patriarchy and chill" shirt during the incident.
A police officer who shot the leader of a militant Antifa group was 'legally justified' in a January 11 shooting at a Eugene, Oregon middle school.
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/1286630192580/bodycam-captures-militant-antifa-shot-in-the-head-by-cops-after-pulling-gun

That's a group that's considered PART of the Antifa movement. Antifa is not itself an organization. That would be like calling the peace movement an organization.

America 1 wrote:

Antifa Thugs Find a Champion and Leader in Stanford Professor
A new class of violent thugs prowls our streets. Donning black clothes, masks and red bandanas, the so-called Anti-Fascist movement, or “antifa,” issues threats and commits acts of violence, intimidation, and vandalism against those it brands as “fascists.” The group represents one of the most extreme elements in the intensifying political turmoil of the past few years.
https://stanfordreview.org/antifa-thugs-find-a-champion-and-leader-in-stanford-professor-3/
Antifa Thugs Find a Champion and Leader in Stanford Professor
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That Stanford professor is Palumbo-Liu, who founded the Campus Antifascist Network (CAN), not antifa. CAN is part of the antifa movement, but the movement is not itself an organization.

'Truth is, there are a LOT of Americans that are concerned about the rise of right-wing fascism. People like me are hoping to rely on the governments adherence to the principles of democracy, equal justice and individual liberty. Other's feel that the fascists themselves need to be sent a clear message, that despite what may seem like an ineffective government, the American people are not going to take kindly to the right-wing, nationalist movements that quite honestly CAN be described as fascist.
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Oct 1, 2020 13:01:27   #
During the first presidential debate (if you can call it that) Trump told the ProudBoys, an organization that the FBI has identified as extremist, not to stand down but to stand by and that "someone needs to do something about Antifa". Biden laughed and tried to tell Trump that Antifa is not even an organization, but an idea and Trump waved that off as nonsense.

But even ultra-conservative Fox News describes Antifa as a... "far-left militant movement that calls itself "antifascist," has no defined organizational hierarchy or membership process."

Either Trump is sticking to his BS, or he really is too stupid to figure it out. If I were Biden, I would have asked Trump to name the leader, or the headquarters, or the bank account, or ANYTHING that could qualify Antifa as an organization so the nation can watch Trump fail to answer yet another question.

But I'm not Biden, nor do I have the platform to ask Trump that question myself. So I'll ask you folks.

Can ANYONE here, name the leader, or the headquarters, or the bank account, or ANYTHING that could qualify Antifa as an organization?
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Oct 1, 2020 12:40:09   #
billy a wrote:
Agreed, Major... I was about to say I'd like a set of rules for Caucasians. And the Asians should be considered, as well as our various Hispanic cultures. I don't mean to omit other groups, There's just not enough room.

Enough room for what? Did our lawmakers run out of pages in their college ruled notepad?

billy a wrote:

My point? There are already laws on the books... for ALL of us to obey. NOTHING makes a particular group "special".

The only people insisting that any particular group is "special" are the white supremacists. Is that what you are complaining about?

billy a wrote:

Change behaviours. Take RESPONSIBILITY for your life. I will never comply with ANY group's demands just because they are too effing lazy to improve themselves.

Oh, I see. You've been sheltered all your life so you can't imagine what it's like to be economically oppressed.

billy a wrote:

Again, NOTHING you say to me will justify your childish demands.

You really don't have to say that because it's already evident in your post. Specifically, your claim that people are demanding special treatment, which is a strong indication that you are more concerned with opposing a movement than you are in understanding it.

This is further emphasized when you say NOTHING can be said to justify the "childish demands" that I assume is your perception of the demands you obviously don't understand. When you say NOTHING you are in effect excluding ANYTHING including the truth.

So, apparently your loyalty to fascism is far more important than the truth.
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Oct 1, 2020 12:10:25   #
lpnmajor wrote:
It would be simpler to establish national standards for law enforcement, whereas now, it's a crap shoot.

That's not a bad idea and it's kind of what BLM and the current call for police reform is pushing for; at least to the extent by which local standards are compliant with national expectations.
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Oct 1, 2020 12:04:20   #
Wonttakeitanymore wrote:
Blm should be considered a terrorist group!

Why? BLM doesn't advocate terrorist tactics and there is ZERO evidence to suggest that ANY of the violence reported at the protests were ordered or even encouraged by BLM. This is why the FBI doesn't include them in the database of terrorist organizations.

Wonttakeitanymore wrote:

Police matters are handled internally it’s called internal affairs!!

Yes, we know that. But we can also see the wrongdoings of police officers that get away with it. So much for depending on the police to enforce laws on themselves.

Wonttakeitanymore wrote:

Also all crime should be reported included black on black!

They already are. If you look at the arrest records you would know that. If you think it's not happening simply because you don't see it in the news, try understanding that typical "by the book" arrests don't make the news but when police officers use excessive force and/or kill people when they didn't need to, well THAT makes the news. It just so happens that most of those unfortunate incidents involve white cops and black victims.

Wonttakeitanymore wrote:

They already have officers of every color in jurisdictions!

And..?

Wonttakeitanymore wrote:

Real people that don’t have an agenda should make the rules! In a civil society that could happen!

"Real" people as opposed to what? Cartoons? And BTW, rules are never made without an agenda, so I'm not even sure what you are trying to imply here.
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