straightUp Loc: California

During the first presidential debate (if you can call it that) Trump told the ProudBoys, an organization that the FBI has identified as extremist, not to stand down but to stand by and that "someone needs to do something about Antifa". Biden laughed and tried to tell Trump that Antifa is not even an organization, but an idea and Trump waved that off as nonsense.

But even ultra-conservative Fox News describes Antifa as a... "far-left militant movement that calls itself "antifascist," has no defined organizational hierarchy or membership process."

Either Trump is sticking to his BS, or he really is too stupid to figure it out. If I were Biden, I would have asked Trump to name the leader, or the headquarters, or the bank account, or ANYTHING that could qualify Antifa as an organization so the nation can watch Trump fail to answer yet another question.

But I'm not Biden, nor do I have the platform to ask Trump that question myself. So I'll ask you folks.

Can ANYONE here, name the leader, or the headquarters, or the bank account, or ANYTHING that could qualify Antifa as an organization?

America 1 Loc: South Miami

Landeros founded the "community Armed Self-Defense" Antifa group, according to Ammoland, and was wearing a "smash the patriarchy and chill" shirt during the incident.
A police officer who shot the leader of a militant Antifa group was 'legally justified' in a January 11 shooting at a Eugene, Oregon middle school.
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/1286630192580/bodycam-captures-militant-antifa-shot-in-the-head-by-cops-after-pulling-gun

Antifa Thugs Find a Champion and Leader in Stanford Professor
A new class of violent thugs prowls our streets. Donning black clothes, masks and red bandanas, the so-called Anti-Fascist movement, or “antifa,” issues threats and commits acts of violence, intimidation, and vandalism against those it brands as “fascists.” The group represents one of the most extreme elements in the intensifying political turmoil of the past few years.
https://stanfordreview.org/antifa-thugs-find-a-champion-and-leader-in-stanford-professor-3/
Antifa Thugs Find a Champion and Leader in Stanford Professor

John Meoff

How does anything with no organization produce with uniforms like this?

straightUp Loc: California

That's a group that's considered PART of the Antifa movement. Antifa is not itself an organization. That would be like calling the peace movement an organization.


That Stanford professor is Palumbo-Liu, who founded the Campus Antifascist Network (CAN), not antifa. CAN is part of the antifa movement, but the movement is not itself an organization.

'Truth is, there are a LOT of Americans that are concerned about the rise of right-wing fascism. People like me are hoping to rely on the governments adherence to the principles of democracy, equal justice and individual liberty. Other's feel that the fascists themselves need to be sent a clear message, that despite what may seem like an ineffective government, the American people are not going to take kindly to the right-wing, nationalist movements that quite honestly CAN be described as fascist.

straightUp Loc: California

People don't need an organization to copy what they see other people wearing. Did hippies need an organization to get them wearing tie-dye?

America 1 Loc: South Miami

Okay, let's call them what they are.
A gang of assholes.

America 1 Loc: South Miami

Rose City Antifa in Portland, which formed in 2007, is the longest standing antifa group in the U.S. and mainly focuses on research, said Ross. A Rose City representative declined to answer questions about membership numbers. Another Portland-based antifa group founded in 2018, called Popular Mobilization or PopMob, has less than 20 members, according to one of its founding members, Sylvan E. She responded to a Facebook message sent by the Deseret News to the official PopMob page and asked that her last name be withheld to protect her privacy.

Michael Kazin, a professor of history at Georgetown University and an expert in U.S. politics and social movements, estimates that at most, the number of people who identify as part of antifa, is in the low thousands.

But antifa’s following online is much bigger.

PopMob’s social media following has doubled, said Sylvan E. The group now has more than 20,000 followers on Twitter and 7,400 followers on Facebook. A website called Itsgoingdown, a platform that covers the antifa movement, went from having 9,000 followers on Twitter when Trump was elected, to 92,000 today, according to a website administrator.
“Antifa activists focus on harassing right-wing extremists both online and in real life,” the Anti Defamation League reported. “The use of violent measures by some antifa against their adversaries can create a vicious, self-defeating cycle of attacks, counter-attacks and blame. This is why most established civil rights organizations criticize antifa tactics as dangerous and counterproductive.”

Ross said much of antifa sees nonviolence as an ineffective tactic against fascists. Bray said property destruction is “one of the tools in their tool box,” in addition to doxxing (disclosing sensitive information as a form of harassment) and community mobilization. When Bray was working at Dartmouth College, the president of the school wrote a letter disavowing Bray’s research, because he did not denounce the legitimacy of violent protest tactics. Although, Bray says, violence is “not always the most effective strategy.”

jim_oldman Loc: Lexington, SC

Can ANYONE here, name the LEADER, or the headquarters, or THE BANK ACCOUNT, or ANYTHING that could qualify THE current DEMOCRATIC PARTY as an organization? That's precisely the reason these two current groups are so dangerous to America. Stupid is as Stupid does.

Rose42

Soros is too smart to directly contribute to any group. Years ago I followed paper trails to subversive groups from Soros but those are conveniently gone. Its a shame I didn't save any of that documentation. Same for a lot of documentation about animal rightists and their support of domestic terrorist organizations - the Humane Society of the United States (H$U$) was/is one such supporter as is PETA. I wish I'd saved that too.

Big Kahuna

George Soreass has many off shore and hidden bank accounts. Look no further thn that Hungarian traitor who is a Nazi to be a huge funder of Antifa and Black Lies Matter.

Big Kahuna

Right wing fascism as a serious problem is just another hoax perpetuated by the leftist marxists who are the most destructive force in our society today and any society for that matter.

Crayons Loc: St Jo, Texas

Democrat Joe Biden would not share that Antifa is a terrorist organization but the URL Antifa.com redirects to Joe Biden’s campaign http://antifa.com/ ""KlanTeeFa""

straightUp Loc: California

Better yet, just assholes... Some of them might be in gangs, a lot of them are just individuals that see others wearing black hoodies and confronting bigots at protests and figure they'll do the same.

To be honest, I am just as concerned about the fascism rising on the right but I'm sticking to legal and appropriate channels provided by our constitutional republic to (hopefully) counter that rise, even with Trump in office, because I still have faith in American democracy and I honestly think the majority of American people are on my side of this issue.

straightUp Loc: California

That would make sense because none of the organizations that partake in anti-fascist activity add up to the sum total of all the organizations together.


Indeed, Trump HAS inadvertently become the most effective recruiter for antifa... ever.


As do I.



Yeah... I'm not sure if you were expecting me to argue with anything you've stated. I am not denying antifa's inclination to violence any more than I would deny the right-wing extremists doing the same thing.

The delusion I was talking about is Trump's argument with Biden that antifa is an organization. It would be easier if they were because the FBI could target the top of the orgchart. But antifa is thousands of people mostly in their 20's acting on their own.

And telling the ProudBoys, a right-wing extremist organization known for harassing and intimidating people with their guns and macho acts, to stand by because "someone has to do something about antifa" is really pouring gasoline on the fire.

straightUp Loc: California

The Democratic National Committee is the governing body of the Democratic Party.

Leader: Tom Perez
Headquarters: 430 South Capitol St SE, Washington, D.C. 20003, U.S.
Bank Account: several, depending on the fund.

Any more questions, Sparky?