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Jan 2, 2019 17:38:06   #
permafrost wrote:
After all the hate and threats toward President Obama for over 8 years and no end in sight, how would you expect him to live?


Like he is, in abject fear for his life, and rightly so. It will take generations to recover from his 'pen and phone' presidency.
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Jan 2, 2019 17:30:53   #
Bad Bob wrote:
Got any more bold face lies for us today Arch?


A short drop and a sudden stop? It's worked before...
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Jan 1, 2019 10:19:29   #
buffalo wrote:
Except with unlimited corporate money (thanks to citizens united) poured into the campaign of a politician that is in that corporations pocket. It is hard to unelcect corporate entrenched politician when he has unlimited resources (corporate money) with which to spread his lies and propaganda that brainwash the easily duped voting sheople. That makes it almost impossible to vote out one of the crooks.


Welcome to America. Leave your common sense at the border.
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Jan 1, 2019 09:37:32   #
bggamers wrote:
I still say we the people need to be able to fire these idiots if they do not do the job they were elected to do


That's what elections are for.
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Jan 1, 2019 09:28:02   #
Pennylynn wrote:
I just did a quiz.... okay, I did not go out and party for New Years so I am not only not hung over, but I can not go to sleep. So, with time on my hands and no one else awake.... I took this quiz to find out how I think.... male or female. Now mind you, I am a woman and enjoy being a woman. But, this quiz says I think 75 percent like a man. Want a link so you can find out about yourself? http://www.ba-bamail.com/games/game.aspx?gameid=148


I did even worse. Apparently I'm 80% female. (Stoopid online quizzes...) Here's what it actually said about me:

"Your brain of mostly female, but you got all the best male traits as well!

The fact the your mind is 80% female doesn't mean that you like shopping and dressing up- those are just dumb cliches.
What it really means is that you are a person who truly knows yourself who reflects on life, and want's to find the way to happiness.
You are creative, imaginative and passionate, and you lead a very positive life. You don't like to sit around and wallow, you go out and DO!"
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Jan 1, 2019 09:14:21   #
badbob85037 wrote:
cowboys and leftist.


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Dec 29, 2018 17:35:29   #
badbobby wrote:
speakin of 'where'
where you been Larry?


I just dropped off the radar for a sabbatical. Things got a little 'weird' there for a while, including my wife of 20 years demanding a divorce - completely out of the blue - but all better now. She's long gone, I moved, found a new job and now working on getting back to normal, whatever that is...

I gotta tell you, life as a single guy is a whole lot better than I remember it.
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Dec 29, 2018 09:57:19   #
badbobby wrote:
the Drake equation is the ever-ready, go-to toolkit for estimating just how (not) lonely humans are in the Milky Way galaxy. The equation was developed by astronomer Frank Drake in 1961 in a slight hurry so that attendees of an upcoming conference would have something to confer about, and it breaks down the daunting question "Are we alone?" into more manageable, bite-size chunks.

The equation starts with some straightforward concepts, such as the rate of star formation and the fraction of stars hosting planets. But it quickly moves into tricky terrain, asking for numbers like what fraction of those planets that could host life actually end up evolving intelligent species and what fraction of those planets blast out friendly signals into the cosmos, inviting us Earthlings to a nice little chat. [10 Exoplanets That Could Host Alien Life]




The end result is supposed to be a single value (or, at worst, a range of values) that predicts the total number of intelligent and conversation-ready species in the galaxy. And if that seems a little unsettlingly bold, then at the very least, the Drake Equation serves as a philosophical device for instigating conversation. It also frames a proper scientific discussion about the ultimate question of finding and talking to alien species in the galaxy.

Except that it fails on both counts.


Know thine errors
The Drake equation is simple, but deceptively so. Frank's original recipe had only seven ingredients, and further enhancements from other researchers haven't drastically changed that number. So, you might naively think you need only measure or guess a heavy handful of parameters and you're good to go.

But reality isn't that simple. Estimates and measurements always have uncertainties. This concept is absolutely critical for scientific inquiry: What you know is far less important than how well you know it. The real meat of any scientific discussion is digging into the uncertainties and how they're estimated. To justify a bold claim, you need a very tight knowledge of the uncertainty. And to overthrow the claim, you don't have to attack it directly; you can simply call into question a statement's precision.

For the Drake equation, we simply have no idea about the uncertainties attached to any of the parameters. What fraction of planets where life could get started eventually develop life? Zero percent? 100 percent? Somewhere in between? Is it 50 percent plus or minus 5 percent? Or plus or minus 25 percent? Or plus 5 percent and minus 25 percent?

And it takes only one unknown uncertainty to sink the whole enterprise. You may chip away at the Drake equation over the course of decades, taking careful observation after careful observation, measuring star-formation rates, hunting for liquid water on planetary surfaces, the works. You may think you're making good progress on nailing down this prediction, but as long as a single parameter still has unknown uncertainty, you haven't made any progress.

That single unknown can undo the hard work poured into the entirety of the rest of the equation. Until you know all of it, you know none of it.

To produce a proper estimate using the Drake equation, you can't just plug in guesses; you have to provide ranges for each guess, essentially doubling your work. And because most of the parameters aren't even based on measurable quantities, the best you can do is throw your hands up in the air. [The Drake Equation Revisited: Interview with Planet Hunter Sara Seager]

Missing the point
Every few months, a new paper involving some variant of the Drake equation claims to put some "reasonable" estimates on the parameters and produce an answer. Sometimes, the papers claim that the galaxy is teeming with thousands of intelligent civilizations. Sometimes, the research says we're completely alone. When Drake and colleagues first turned the crank, they tossed out estimates of anywhere between 1,000 and 100,000,000 such civilizations. That's … not very helpful.

The Drake equation is simply a way of chopping up our ignorance, stuffing it into a mathematical meat grinder and making a sausage-guess. It doesn't have any predictive power greater than randomly pulling a number out of a hat. What if you didn't accurately estimate one of your uncertainties? The answer isn't reliable. What if you missed a parameter, some crucial element in the steps from stars to sentience? The answer isn't reliable. What if you had too many parameters, introducing an element that turned out not to matter? The answer isn't reliable.

The Drake equation makes a significant number of assumptions, and until those assumptions are verified, we can't trust the calculation's results.

Let's talk
OK, we can't treat the Drake equation as a physics equation; that is, we can't use it the same way we can handily use something like Newton's second law or the equations from general relativity or Maxwell's equations for electromagnetism. That's fine. Perhaps the Drake equation's power is more as a philosophical treatment, to help guide our thinking and help us navigate the murky waters of a deep and fundamental existential question.

But what is the utility of introducing the Drake equation into such philosophical discussions? Do we really advance or sharpen our thinking? What is the advantage to replacing one big unknowable (the number of intelligent species Out There) with many smaller unknowables that aren’t easier to solve? Yes, breaking down a big problem into smaller ones is a common tactic in science. But that only works if the smaller problems are all individually easier to tackle.

There's a risk we will spend more time unhelpfully discussing the parameters of the model and less time gainfully trying to go out there and actually search for life. Debating over the particular value of, say, the number of life-bearing planets that will give rise to intelligence (a number which must be 100 percent made up) will not give us a clearer picture of the chances of chatting with another intelligent species — instead, we just end up clouding our perspective through an intrinsically warped formulation.

There are, today, ongoing searches to hunt for life outside the Earth. Planned missions to sample the icy moons of the outer worlds, moons which harbor vast liquid water oceans. Exoplanet hunters developing the technology to tease out the hints of biosignatures in alien worlds. Did the Drake equation, in any of its formulations, help frame or advance or assist those missions?

While the Drake equation may have spurred the early scientific discussion of the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, it doesn't have much value beyond that. We can't use to it further our understanding, and we can't use it to properly guide our thinking. The huge uncertainties in the parameters, the unknown ways those uncertainties mix, and the absolute lack of any guidance in even choosing those parameters robs it of any predictive power. Prediction is at the heart of science. Prediction is what makes an idea useful. And if an idea isn’t useful, why keep it around?





Paul Sutter is an astrophysicist at The Ohio State University and the Chief Scientist at COSI Science Center. Paul received his PhD in Physics from the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign in 2011, and spent three years at the Paris Institute of Astrophysics, followed by a research fellowship in Trieste, Italy, His research focuses on many diverse topics, from the emptiest regions of the universe, to the earliest moments of the Big Bang, to the hunt for the first stars.

As an "Agent to the Stars," Paul has passionately engaged the public in science outreach for several years. He is the host of the popular "Ask a Spaceman!" podcast, where he answers questions posted on social media. In addition, Paul writes for Space.com, regularly appears at events and in the media, and consults for film and TV productions.
the Drake equation is the ever-ready, go-to toolki... (show quote)


As Enrico Fermi famously asked, "Where is everybody?"
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Dec 27, 2018 17:46:58   #
JediKnight wrote:
"What they should be doing is figuring how much it will cost to finance government activities for the next year, divide that by the number of taxpayers and announce how much they're 'charging' for the next year, that way everybody gets screwed over the same as everybody else."

Isn't what you describe above considered "communism?"

Nope. Not even close. Communism is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state. 'Everything' is owned by 'everybody', and nobody really 'owns' anything. I believe the Russians gave it a try over the majority of the last century, it didn't work out too well. They're doing better now though, they have a constitutional republic and the 'iron curtain' is no more.

JediKnight wrote:
Why not just charge everyone a flat 10% of what they make in income?

Why not? Even that would be better than what we have now. Better still, why not extrapolate that out to everything; instead of quoting a set price, all business could be conducted in terms of a percentage of income, that way we could all afford that Cadillac stretch limo we've been salivating over for years.

Government is the only 'business' that charges its 'customers' based on a percentage of income, and provides the exact same 'service' no matter how much you 'contribute'.
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Dec 27, 2018 12:28:06   #
Tug484 wrote:
She's already complained she can't afford the rent on the salary she's going to get.


Ha! Nearly $15,000 a month and it's STILL not enough! Poor girl, she should try working for a living and see how she likes that.
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Dec 27, 2018 12:20:57   #
debeda wrote:
That's an EXCELLENT ANALOGY!

Glad you like it. I've had that sitting in a notepad file forever. There's others lying around; I keep thinking I'll go through all that old junk and start putting it in some logical filing system but it just never seems to be a good time.

On the subject of taxes, I had this idea that government should charge the same across the board for its upkeep. Why should some guy pay millions every year and get the exact same government as I do? He should be paying the same because his 'benefit' (if you want to call it that...) is the same. Imagine walking into MacDonald's and being charged for a hamburger based on how much you make, but that's what government does to us all. What they should be doing is figuring how much it will cost to finance government activities for the next year, divide that by the number of taxpayers and announce how much they're 'charging' for the next year, that way everybody gets screwed over the same as everybody else.
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Dec 26, 2018 21:57:10   #


I think this sums it up quite nicely:


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Dec 26, 2018 21:51:22   #
Bcon wrote:
So you don’t think it is possible for you to die any way but old age. Wish I had your neck.

Where did I say that? I'm trying (and failing miserably) to point out that there is a difference between a risk and a gamble. Risk is something that you can minimize, a gamble is something you go into blindly, hoping for a favorable outcome. Both are based on probability, though risk is influenced by factors we can introduce, a gamble does not afford that opportunity. When you bet on a racehorse, you take a gamble; when you cross the street, you take a risk.

Bcon wrote:
There are many things that are a gamble.. do you think you are immune to cancer or other disease?

What on this green Earth does cancer or disease have to do with gambling? Do you wash your hands before you eat? Risk minimization, not gambling.

Bcon wrote:
As I said, you pay your money, you take youchance. That’s a gamble.

That's all very well, but what does that have to do with life?
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Dec 26, 2018 21:18:49   #
JFlorio wrote:
He would of course forgive any if their heart was true. Remember he said go forth and sin no more. Jesus actually wanted one to respect govt. give unto Cesar what is Cesar’s.


That was in response to a trick question. They were trying to make Him say something against the Roman occupiers so they would have something to 'pin' him with. His answer was to give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and to give unto God what is God's. Foiled again...
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Dec 26, 2018 20:57:31   #
JFlorio wrote:
Jesus was as conservative as they come. His main message was love and family values. Compassion and giving are largely a conservative attribute. Talking about being compassionate and giving away others money is a liberal attribute.


Just bear in mind that as a Christian, you accept that these deviants of the products of creation, just like the rest of us. Their lifestyle is described as an 'abomination' in the bible, but they are still the product of a Higher Being who in all likelihood knowingly allowed them to come about. I expect Jesus would embrace them as He does all of us, and would likely forgive them their sins if they accept Him as their Savior.

As for Jesus being a 'Conservative', I see Him as being far more on the side of anarchy than any form of government, but then I'm no theologian.
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