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Aug 1, 2016 06:07:22   #
DJRich wrote:
The headline at the New York Post and the article pretty well sums up the state of affairs in Appalachia, and contrary to the views of the usual racists. bigots, xenophobes, and Muslim haters who reside here on OPP, Appalachia is overwhelming white , about 97%.

http://nypost.com/2016/07/30/why-white-trash-americans-are-flocking-to-donald-trump/


The Clinton's are the epitome of "white trash" giving credence to the bad behavoir rampant in our society today. White trash disguised with $. Three year olds disguised as adults has become the new normal in society today.

Class is bred, not born. Nor can it be bought. It has no color barrier.
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Aug 1, 2016 05:08:51   #
Oops, sent a blank one.

The Clinton's are the epitome of white trash. Giving credence to the mentality of our society today. White trash disguised with money.

Class is bred, not born. Nor can it be bought.
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Aug 1, 2016 04:58:53   #
Sicilianthing wrote:
Why ˜white trash™ Americans are flocking to Donald Trump

By Kyle Smith

When J.D. Vance was a boy, his beloved grandmother Mamaw told her boozer husband that if he ever came home drunk again, she™d kill him. When he did, and passed out on the couch, she got a gasoline can, poured fuel all over him and dropped a lit match on his chest. He survived with mild burns, and later quit drinking.

One time when J.D.™s mom took exception to something the boy said in the car, she hit the accelerator and sped up to 100 miles per hour, screaming that she was going to kill them both. When he jumped in the backseat hoping to protect himself from the impact, he recalls, she instead pulled the car over to beat the s--t out of me. The evening concluded with Mom being hauled away in a police car.

One of J.D.s stepdads, Bob, though kindhearted, had a bad case of œMountain Dew mouth. Half his teeth had fallen out, the other half were black, brown and misshapen.

J.D. and his people are called rednecks, white trash, hillbillies. But Vance made it out of the holler, way out. The Marines led him to Ohio State, then Yale Law School and finally a job as a principal at a Silicon Valley investment firm. Looking back on his youth, and all he fled, yields a frank, unsentimental, harrowing memoir, œHillbilly Elegy. It™s a superb book given an extra layer of importance by its political reverberations: When Vance returns home these days, he sees yard after yard festooned with Trump signs.

Nancy Pelosi says blue-collar white men vote against their own economic interests because of guns, gays and God,
œGod being the woman™s right to choose. The Washington Post noted that this group does care about gun rights more than the average voter but its a myth that their views on gays and God differ much from everyone else™s, and Pelosi™s regal dismissal of the bitter clingers is not only too reductive, its an attitude that drives voters away from the Democratic Party.

Though Hillbilly Elegy is about people, not politics, it is an eye-opening field guide to an unruly and hard-to-understand group, many of them born and bred Democrats, who could cost Hillary Clinton what looked like an easy election win. White voters without a college degree have favored Republicans for some time they voted for Mitt Romney by 18 points in 2012 but they love Donald Trump. In an average of six polls this month, he is beating Clinton by a margin of 58 to 30 among these voters. The massive swing of white working-class voters, who made up 44 percent of the electorate in 2012, could more than cancel out her strengths among minorities and the college-educated.

Vance paints a picture of a world exactly like the one Trump described in his acceptance speech 10 days ago. He grew up in Jackson, Ky., and nearby Middletown, Ohio, a once-prosperous industrial town where everyone seemed to work for the steel company Armco. Back in the 1960s, the company would actively recruit new workers from the hills of eastern Kentucky, taking care to preserve families by encouraging relatives to move in also. For my grandparents, Vance writes, Armco was an economic savior the engine that brought them from the hills of Kentucky to America™s middle class. Vance™s Papaw would proudly stop by car dealerships to explain to J.D. that this or that car was built with Armco steel. He retired with a generous pension.

It is an eye-opening field guide to an unruly and hard-to-understand group, many of them born and bred Democrats.
After a 1989 merger with Kawasaki, the company became AK Steel. It still exists, but many factory jobs in Middletown disappeared. Real-estate prices collapsed. Those who could afford to cut their losses left town; others were trapped in houses they couldnt sell because they were worth less than what was owed on the mortgages. Downtown, prosperous shops turned into empty storefronts and poverty-exploiting businesses like cash-for-gold shops and payday lenders. Two local malls that were bustling as recently as the early 1990s are now dead, one of them turned into a parking lot. Crime and dread began to infect the night. A street that was once the pride of Middletown today serves as a meeting spot for druggies and dealers, Vance says.

Vance shuttled between the care of Mamaw and his mother, who burned through men and drugs. Once she was fired from her nursing job for rollerskating through the hospital, high on prescription meds she had stolen from the pharmacy. In a moment of panic, she once asked her son for a urine sample so she could pass a surprise whiz quiz as a condition of her job. He complied, feeling shamed and dirtied.

There are decaying post-industrial Middletowns all over the map. In 1970, Vance notes, 25 percent of white children lived in neighborhoods with poverty rates above 10 percent. By 2000 the figure had risen to 40 percent, and Vance believes it is higher today. The life expectancy for Vances people is declining.

Trump™s promises to stand up to the Chinese are resonating, as is his message that the system is rigged against a proud group of Americans, Americans who built the postwar glory but now feel theyre being ignored or outright mocked. White trash is the one ethnic group it is still OK to make fun of.

Humans appear to have some need to look down on someone; there™s just a basic tribalistic impulse in all of us, Vance recently told The American Conservative. œAnd if you™re an elite white professional, working-class whites are an easy target: You dont have to feel guilty for being a racist or a xenophobe. By looking down on the hillbilly, you can get that high of self-righteousness and superiority without violating any of the moral norms of your own tribe.

Mapping the politics of Vances clannish, resentful neighbors is challenging, even exasperating. Hillbillies pride themselves on distinguishing the deserving poor from the lazy moochers, but Vance points out that its a fuzzy line. His grandmother would lash out at the government for doing too much, then for doing too little. She™d ask why society could afford aircraft carriers but not enough drug-rehab centers. Shed complain that the rich weren™t paying their fair share.

But she and J.D. would be just as angry at people who paid for T-bone steaks with food stamps and hated the idea of the government using Section 8 housing vouchers so that poor people could move in next door poor people œlike us, Vance says. She™d say people wouldnt have so many problems if they were forced to work for their benefit checks.

I initially assumed that Mamaw was an unreformed simpleton, says Vance, œand that as soon as she opened her mouth about policy or politics, I might as well close my own ears. Yet I quickly realized that in Mamaw™s contradictions lay great wisdom.

Calling it wisdom seems like a stretch, but there does seem to be some continuity to the howl of desperation that echoes so chillingly through Vances book.

Manufacturing shed 5 million jobs after 2000, giving way to welfare, drugs and despondency. The number of Americans receiving welfare of one kind or another exploded from 42 million (or 18.8 percent of Americans) in 1983 to 109 million (or 35 percent) in 2012. As America added 83 million citizens, then, it added 67 million welfare recipients during a period of massive wealth creation. (Per-capita income rose from about $30,000 in 1983 to over $52,000 in 2012.)

Hillbillies pride themselves on distinguishing the deserving poor from the lazy moochers, but Vance points out that its a fuzzy line.

The factory closings on the one hand and the welfare checks on the other created lots of idle people. And what do they do with all that spare time? Drugs. Government checks are easily laundered (In Appalachia a favorite trick is to buy cases of soda with food stamps and re-sell them for cash).

Some Americans may unreservedly cheer the explosion in government largesse arent we helping people more than ever before, and also doesnt it create lots of solid middle-class jobs for administrators in the federal bureaucracy?

But Appalachians evidently have mixed feelings about it, sensing their growing dependency. They do want to turn back the clock, but not because they™re racist or afraid of modernity. They want to go back to having good-paying jobs.

They want to go back to being proud of themselves and the things they produced. For years, theyve essentially been told to sign up for welfare and shut up.

Vance said he noticed as a child that his peers seemed to fall into two groups: My grandparents embodied one type: old-fashioned, quietly faithful, self-reliant, hardworking. My mother and, increasingly, the entire neighborhood embodied another: consumerist, isolated, angry, distrustful.

What might the government do differently? Vance notes that hillbillies love to complain, a la Trump, that the system is holding them back. œNever be like those f'”ing losers who think the deck is stacked against them, Mamaw used to tell her grandson.

And yet hillbillies create so many varieties of misery for themselves. Vance recalls that in high school a neighbor ran a bath, took some painkillers and passed out. When she awoke the bath had overflowed and ruined the top floor of her house. This is the reality of our community, Vance writes, ™s about a naked druggie destroying what little of value exists in her life. It™s about children who lose their toys and clothes to a mothers addiction.

The anger in hillbilly country is understandable. Vance grew up thinking it was perfectly normal for couples to have screaming matches that frequently turned violent. Neighbors would slide open the window to listen when the folks next door started going at it.

Trumps attacks on the media and political correctness make Vance™s people stand up and cheer. From the Democrats, they draw the same sense of condescension that struck Vance when, at Yale, another student said she couldnt believe he was in the Marines because he was a nice guy.

In hillbilly country, a code of honor runs so deep that if you casually call a man a son of a bitch, hell beat you senseless for the implied insult to his mother. But then you wouldnt call the police because you figured you deserved to get a licking. Trumps me-against-everybody combativeness, his refusal to back down, his vows to disrupt Washington deal-making are giving the hillbilly class a feeling they haven™t had in decades: that theyve got a friend at the top.
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Aug 1, 2016 01:54:30   #
America Only wrote:
Math has more honesty to conclusions Science can and does find itself changing. At one point even in Modern Man's scientific time, it was thought to break the sound barrier would destroy the aircraft. One of a few million things I know about science having false findings and it is sad some lefties think science is the answer! MORONS!


Numbers are absolute.
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Aug 1, 2016 01:50:21   #
USMC 70 wrote:
What we really need is to succeed from the federal government... Let the states take control of their own affairs. It is easier to control them This is how we get enough representation, which is why the Federal Government don't like representation they only get paid approx. $30.000 a yr. if we don't like them we get rid of them and find some else. Keep it simple. The only reason we need to pay federal taxes is for the Defense department.



It's secede, not "succeed".
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Jul 31, 2016 23:15:54   #
PeterS wrote:
Well, if he finds Hillary's e-mails than he is cleared to read them. Welcome to OPP, nice to have you on board...


Thanks PeterS. Is it any wonder I mistook he for a she.
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Jul 31, 2016 22:34:12   #
tomh wrote:
Succeed? What does "succeed from the federal government" mean?


I imagine whomever you're speaking meant "secede". To remove from the federal union as an independent state. There was talk of Texas doing this nearly a year ago.
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Jul 31, 2016 22:29:04   #
maureenthannon wrote:
When the debt is outrageously high, they can never dream of cutting spending, they "borrow" money from the Social Security trust fund. Isn't it amazing that Social Security is going broke. To the seniors and disabled citizens who depend on SS benefits, that they've paid taxes all their working lives, they say "too bad" or blame the other party. To pay for Obamacare, they've cut Medicade benefits drastically. Obama said that the A.C.A. would cut health care costs, and that we could keep our doctors. Since the A.C.A. was passed health care costs have doubled, and now many doctors will no longer take Medicare patients.The old fogies and the sickies are going to die soon enough anyway, so why waste money on their health. He also said that there wereno death panels, there are, but they don't call it a death panel, it's called IPAB.
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Reagan increased SS taxes to accommodate the Baby Boomers (1946-1964) up and coming retirement. BJ Clinton "borrowed" billions from Social Security, had it transferred into the General Fund while bragging about his "budget surplus", an accomplishment to BJ's legacy. The stolen funds were never replaced and never will be. That Foundation built on sand needs to topple quickly.
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Jul 31, 2016 21:56:50   #
PeterS wrote:
I haven't discounted the big bang. Quantum Mechanics predicts that the universe has no beginning, or end, and that individual universes are but bubbles that are created continually and infinity. You're the one who said to think outside the box--well, not only is this it but Einsteins theory supports it and and it solves the problems presented by dark matter and dark energy. What 'consensus' science supports are theories that solve the most problems at once.

As for the rest, we've been over it all before. You are playing with the same fallacies and I have no desire to play along...
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I think the fence post confuses Little Ball of Hate while oscillating on her fence. Seems to believe she has classified clearance too, but no clue as to grade. Just an observation from her posts, imho.
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Jul 31, 2016 14:41:56   #
PeterS wrote:
First, you just stated that god has no creator so you can't sit there and say there has to be a first cause for everything--clearly there doesn't. Second, you haven't explained how a spirit, which has no matter, can both create and manipulate matter. And just how do you know that god doesn't have to obey the laws of nature? Nothing in our universe has been able to escape that fact so far so why would a god? Don't you think you can be a god using the laws of physics? Third, we don't know if the universe has a beginning or just a continuation of something that has always existed. There is more proof for the latter than the former. This of course begs the question, if the universe has always existed why do we need a god to create it or us?
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God is not of our universe, He resides above and beyond our universe. God is Spirit and we are flesh and blood.
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Jul 31, 2016 12:11:58   #
Singularity wrote:
And my question is rhetorical, I have endured enough apologetics on this issue and reject apologetics completely as conceivably necessary for a perfect book provided by a perfect deity.

If the Bible IS the perfect word of your perfect God then your questions and answers would have one source noted with book, chapter'n'verse provided from the perfect book itself!

No debate necessary. The fact that honest debate over the meaning of biblical texts exists is proof of the imperfection of the text.
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The imperfection lies in the human interpretation of the infallible biblical texts.
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Jul 31, 2016 10:00:19   #
Tasine wrote:
FTA
written by Tasine
I have thought a LOT about the recent angst the political left spews any time a decent American says a word, and I am coming to a horrible conclusion. It is hard for me to believe that America’s political left is embracing ISIS and Sharia Law, but everything I see and hear points to just that. I am sure most people notice that the US President insults Americans while embracing ISIS, Muslims, Sharia law. It appears that all on the political left fully support him. Surely all know that most of Obama’s appointments are black, and possibly Muslim. Could the imported Muslims possibly be part and parcel with his black appointed officials forming Obama’s private army? Has the political left become enamored of the Muslim religion and law? Does the political left think it can convince ISIS to kill all conservatives? It certainly embraces ISIS and murderous black gangs while at the same time spewing hatred at white Christians, white people in general, and all decent people. Why would half of America favor those who want to murder Americans? Do they not understand that they, too, will fall beneath the swords of ISIS and Sharia?

Read entire article at: http://noruler.net/14179/the-democrat-party-is-courting-black-gangs-is-it-also-courting-isis/
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Yes, many of Obamas' appointed are in fact Muslim. National security positions as well as military.

Can you imagine the look on the face of the elite democrats when Obama and his ilk turn on them?
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Jul 31, 2016 08:48:52   #
She used her Blackberry. She had no computer in her office. Couldn't deal with passwords and the like.
Tomtrout wrote:
Have you noticed that the ruckus about the Trump-Putin email connection has suddenly died down? Why? It is because Russia and the US have a signed agreement to share information regarding criminal investigations. The FBI's probe into Hillary's email was a criminal investigation. Trump may have been kidding but once again he spoke the truth. This is why the Dems immediately accused Russia of hacking the DNC to insure Russian intelligence would not be releasing Hillary's emails. I am amazed at the speed of the Dems to be able to determine the source of the hacking while it takes federal investigators weeks and months;

Hillary released only approximately one half of her emails because she claimed the missing emails were personal. She was in office for 4 years and she only used her emails for official business one half of the time! She spent one half of her time in office reading and writing personal emails. Most employers would immediately fire any employee that spent 4 hours a day on personal correspondence.
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Jul 31, 2016 08:15:08   #
cephusbob wrote:
A succession of Republican Presidents wouldn't have us $20 billion in debt or men in the ladies restrooms and locker rooms.


That's 20 Trillion, not billion.
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Jul 17, 2016 10:42:50   #
This "Federal Benefit Payment" name is news to me. The plundering however has been occurring for decades now. One day this payment will simply cease to exist. Most especially if Obama and Hillary are not removed from our nearly lost civilized society.

I read the other day in a post that Trump wants to privatize Social Security. I vaguely recall baby Bush campaigning the same. I suspect Trump will get'er done so long as he makes it to the White House.
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