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May 23, 2015 08:16:01   #
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Why ARE you a Liberal?
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
I accuse you of periphrasis.

Can you make your "beliefs" more succinct?

Because I can destroy every single one of your statements---not by showing the belief itself is wrong, but by showing how incomplete and superficial your statements are.

And besides, you seem more intent on degrading Conservatism than showing Liberalism in a positive light.

Try again.


Better still, why not take the liberal statements Kevyn posted and show how conservatives differ on each issue.

Here's the list again. Have fun and please be honest.

I believe in science
I believe corporations are businesses, not people
I believe in equal rights, regardless of sexual orientation
I believe that 47% of Americans aren’t looking for a government handout
I believe in climate change, not that God has decided to use weather to “punish sin”
I believe we must learn from history, not repeat it
I believe women deserve the same rights as men
I believe our sexual orientation is something we’re born with, not something we choose
I believe immigration is what has made this country great, not what will bring it down
I believe freedom for all means freedom for all
I believe we have the right to own guns, but our Second Amendment says “well regulated” for a reason
I believe in a living wage I believe you don’t create wealth by giving rich people more money
I believe welfare helps the poor, it doesn’t punish the rich
I believe health care is a right, not something for only those who can afford it
I believe a woman has the right to choose what to do with her own body
I believe a country is judged based on how they treat their poor, not their rich I believe there needs to be an economic threshold which we don’t let Americans fall below
I believe we are not “entitled” to Social Security and Medicare, we paid into these programs–we earn these benefits
I believe while we are all born in the same country, we are not all created equal, some people do need help
I believe investing in education is more important than investing in bombs
I believe nation building here is more important than the Middle East
I believe rape—is rape
I believe demand creates jobs, not tax cuts
I believe in those “union thugs” like teachers, fire fighters and police officers
I believe we support our military by not cutting VA benefits and only sending our troops off to war when there are no other options
I believe we all have the right to follow whichever religion we want, or no religion at all, and our government should represent no singular set of religious beliefs
I believe our Constitution doesn’t only protect the rights for which I agree, that it sometimes protects rights I disagree with
I believe that being unemployed doesn’t mean you’re lazy, and most individuals who don’t have a job—want one
I believe in an United States for the people, by the people, means we protect the people–we don’t leave them to suffer if they hit hard times
I believe we should protect the weakest among us first, not the richest
I believe we shouldn’t go broke trying to live healthier and longer
I believe we should put people before profits
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May 22, 2015 18:20:04   #
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Israel is the Real Terrorist State
hnealc wrote:
Also very naive!!!
I wonder is he isn't muslim?


Did you know Char4dew doesn't believe the official story of 9/11?

Did you know she thinks Larry Silverstein was involved in the plot?
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May 22, 2015 18:17:54   #
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Israel is the Real Terrorist State
hnealc wrote:
Are you a Muslim?


If you must know, I am an atheist. I was born an atheist. I had no choice in the way my mind works. From my earliest recollection, I could not accept the stories in the Bible as truth. Since all religions are similar, I couldn't accept the other religions either.

My avatar signifies where my loyalties lie.
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May 22, 2015 10:53:18   #
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Israel is the Real Terrorist State
hnealc wrote:
Who are the Palestinians? Are they not Muslims???

Now tell me how we are mistreating the Muslims, got giving them their 'just do'!!

Get it right, man!!!


The way Muslims are being mistreated is a no-brainer.

9/11 was blamed on Muslims by our government with the help of the Zionist-owned media. Anyone with half a brain should have figured out that Muslims could not have pulled off 9/11.

By blaming Muslims, our gov was able to invade Afghanistan and Iraq on false pretenses and kill over a million Muslims in the process.
Muslims have a legitimate reason to desire payback on what our gov has done. So far I don't see them killing many Americans. They are not organized or equipped for war as the NATO countries are.
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May 22, 2015 10:17:14   #
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Israel is the Real Terrorist State
hnealc wrote:
Those million killed is just a drop in the bucket compared to the total number of people killed by the Muslims.

But, like, lets just ignore that, ok? After all, it is politically correct way to go!!

Get a grip. Or do you just have an agenda?


Palestinians have never had an organized military with all the large weaponry that Israel has. Explain how the Palestinians killed the millions you are claiming?
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May 22, 2015 09:50:02   #
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Why ARE you a Liberal?
Spankem wrote:
I suggest you (people in general) look up the words in the dictionary, I did and the definition of Liberal & conservative was as I expected, neither was negative. I have long thought of myself as both liberal & conservative and I suspect most of us are some of both.
I believe too many people relate liberal and conservative to democrats & republicans as if there is a real difference between the 2 parties.
The general thinking seems to me, to be that they are ideologically and politically opposite in goals and methods at least according to what they say, and a fair portion of the public's opinion. I believe that's a far stretch to the reality.
I fail to see any significant difference between these 2 parties, they both lie like the devil, are more self serving than they should be as self claimed "public servants" and they both stink worse than shit. Look at the results.
Just look at our current political climate and the continuing infringement in our lives by our government that doesn't really benefit we the people, the ones they are supposed to be serving.
Just look at the evidence, the history and outcome of the past 50 years.
I suggest you (people in general) look up the word... (show quote)


Since SCOTUS passed Citizens United ruling which gave corporations the same rights as people as far as campaign funding is concerned, both parties' candidates are now elected by Wall Street. That's why both parties support the same policies. That's the main reason why those of us who don't own corporations have no representation on Capitol Hill.
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May 22, 2015 08:53:22   #
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When Will We Learn?
asphaltman wrote:
Yes, im saying: if the shoe fits wear it. This version of 9/11 hit the nail on the head in my imagination cos i didnt see it live. This fits better than any of the others videos i've watched


You're still not making it clear whether you believe the official government 9/11 conspiracy theory or not.
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May 22, 2015 08:41:58   #
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Why ARE you a Liberal?
robmull wrote:
"Liberals, pigeons and chess." And you probably don't understand that, pain1000, so to get into conservatism is just a waste of my time.


Let me repeat what Kevyn posted as liberal ideas:

I believe in science
I believe corporations are businesses, not people
I believe in equal rights, regardless of sexual orientation
I believe that 47% of Americans aren’t looking for a government handout
I believe in climate change, not that God has decided to use weather to “punish sin”
I believe we must learn from history, not repeat it
I believe women deserve the same rights as men
I believe our sexual orientation is something we’re born with, not something we choose
I believe immigration is what has made this country great, not what will bring it down
I believe freedom for all means freedom for all
I believe we have the right to own guns, but our Second Amendment says “well regulated” for a reason
I believe in a living wage I believe you don’t create wealth by giving rich people more money
I believe welfare helps the poor, it doesn’t punish the rich
I believe health care is a right, not something for only those who can afford it
I believe a woman has the right to choose what to do with her own body
I believe a country is judged based on how they treat their poor, not their rich I believe there needs to be an economic threshold which we don’t let Americans fall below
I believe we are not “entitled” to Social Security and Medicare, we paid into these programs–we earn these benefits
I believe while we are all born in the same country, we are not all created equal, some people do need help
I believe investing in education is more important than investing in bombs
I believe nation building here is more important than the Middle East
I believe rape—is rape
I believe demand creates jobs, not tax cuts
I believe in those “union thugs” like teachers, fire fighters and police officers
I believe we support our military by not cutting VA benefits and only sending our troops off to war when there are no other options
I believe we all have the right to follow whichever religion we want, or no religion at all, and our government should represent no singular set of religious beliefs
I believe our Constitution doesn’t only protect the rights for which I agree, that it sometimes protects rights I disagree with
I believe that being unemployed doesn’t mean you’re lazy, and most individuals who don’t have a job—want one
I believe in an United States for the people, by the people, means we protect the people–we don’t leave them to suffer if they hit hard times
I believe we should protect the weakest among us first, not the richest
I believe we shouldn’t go broke trying to live healthier and longer
I believe we should put people before profits

Can you explain to readers why any of these ideas are wrong?
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May 22, 2015 08:35:48   #
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Israel is the Real Terrorist State
Homestead wrote:
You can't let these thing just pass. It encourages them and I feel that's how we got into this mess.

If they're going to spout garbage, let them defend it.

It took me awhile to respond to him, but, I actually watch these things and then look up the information given in them to see if the truth is involved or if it's just another loud mouth flapping his gums.

After mentioning that the area involves 3,000 years of history, he starts his talk in 1947, as if 1947 is the beginning of all this.

Here's some prehistory of the Ottoman Empire

Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y&feature=youtu.be
You can't let these thing just pass. It encourage... (show quote)


You forgot to mention that Peled explained why Jews have no right to return to Palestine which is because the Jews who choose to live there now have no heritage there. He chooses to elaborate on 1947 because that is when the "Nabka" took place. During the Nabka (catastrophe) entire Arab villages were massacred by Zionists. The Arab population of Palestine was reduced by over a million in the accompanying forced exile.
This enabled Zionists to have a majority in Palestine.
Zionist forces committed 33 massacres and destroyed 531 Palestinian towns. Author Norman Finkelstein states: “According to the former director of the Israeli army archives, ‘in almost every village occupied by us during the War... acts were committed which are defined as war crimes, such as murders, massacres, and rapes’...Uri Milstein, the authoritative Israeli military historian of the 1948 war, goes one step further, maintaining that ‘every skirmish ended in a massacre of Arabs.’” http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/ref-nakba.html

Scene during the Nabka.

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May 21, 2015 21:28:10   #
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U.S. - Occupied Territory
saltwind 78 wrote:
You will never know what can be accomplished unless both parties sit down and have serious peace talks with no preconditions . All of the changes the map shows came about because of Arab attacks against Israel or refusal to sit down at a real peace convention. As part of any peace process, Israel would have to give up land in the west bank for recognition and security. It makes no sense for Israel to hold on to this land, because it would mean incorporating millions of Arabs into Israel. Many Jews would support the Palestianians , if they could be convinced that talks would lead to a real peace and not just another attempt to undermine the Jewish nature of Israel.
You will never know what can be accomplished unles... (show quote)


The "Jewish nature of Israel" was achieved through Zionist terrorism, theft and mass murder.

Jews speak about their right of return to their homeland when it never was their homeland. Why do they claim right of return and yet the million Palestinians who lived in Palestine before Zionist terrorists drove them into exile are still not allowed to return to their land or be compensated for the theft.


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May 21, 2015 20:35:03   #
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Why ARE you a Liberal?
Kevyn wrote:
Here is a list of a few reasons that thinking people are Liberal,

I believe in science
I believe corporations are businesses, not people
I believe in equal rights, regardless of sexual orientation
I believe that 47% of Americans aren’t looking for a government handout
I believe in climate change, not that God has decided to use weather to “punish sin”
I believe we must learn from history, not repeat it
I believe women deserve the same rights as men
I believe our sexual orientation is something we’re born with, not something we choose
I believe immigration is what has made this country great, not what will bring it down
I believe freedom for all means freedom for all
I believe we have the right to own guns, but our Second Amendment says “well regulated” for a reason
I believe in a living wage I believe you don’t create wealth by giving rich people more money
I believe welfare helps the poor, it doesn’t punish the rich
I believe health care is a right, not something for only those who can afford it
I believe a woman has the right to choose what to do with her own body
I believe a country is judged based on how they treat their poor, not their rich I believe there needs to be an economic threshold which we don’t let Americans fall below
I believe we are not “entitled” to Social Security and Medicare, we paid into these programs–we earn these benefits
I believe while we are all born in the same country, we are not all created equal, some people do need help
I believe investing in education is more important than investing in bombs
I believe nation building here is more important than the Middle East
I believe rape—is rape
I believe demand creates jobs, not tax cuts
I believe in those “union thugs” like teachers, fire fighters and police officers
I believe we support our military by not cutting VA benefits and only sending our troops off to war when there are no other options
I believe we all have the right to follow whichever religion we want, or no religion at all, and our government should represent no singular set of religious beliefs
I believe our Constitution doesn’t only protect the rights for which I agree, that it sometimes protects rights I disagree with
I believe that being unemployed doesn’t mean you’re lazy, and most individuals who don’t have a job—want one
I believe in an United States for the people, by the people, means we protect the people–we don’t leave them to suffer if they hit hard times
I believe we should protect the weakest among us first, not the richest
I believe we shouldn’t go broke trying to live healthier and longer
I believe we should put people before profits

Far from complete but a good start.
Here is a list of a few reasons that thinking peop... (show quote)


Good enough for a hundred thumbs up from me.

Well done.
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May 21, 2015 20:02:07   #
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When Will We Learn?
asphaltman wrote:
I still dont know, but every part of my imagination agrees with this video. so i must be bat shit and the other things he said so fast i cudnt write down, if i believe this story. If i were a betting man, i wud bet everything i own on this story


Are you saying you agree that "ignorance is strength"?
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May 21, 2015 18:34:34   #
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Why ARE you a Liberal?
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
I'm curious, what is it about Liberalism that attracts people?

Is it a goal, an end, that you would like to see imposed on the rest of society? Then exactly what is that goal?

And then what are the specific, particular "means" by which you intend to impose that goal?

What exactly are your beliefs? Their purpose and method?

AND BE HONEST PLEASE.

Just curious, is all.


What is your definition of a liberal?

If you're so concerned about what liberals think, you must have some idea what they want.

While you're at it, give us your definition of a conservative as well.

Please be honest.
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May 21, 2015 18:15:00   #
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When Will We Learn?
asphaltman wrote:
Which official story are u talkn about? they all are said to be official. With pics, videos and all, but they are all different in ways. I give up, i dont believe any ofem. I think all the politicians are covering for the elites.


I'm talking about the official story described here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98
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May 21, 2015 17:56:26   #
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Israel is the Real Terrorist State
Homestead wrote:
If it's propaganda then everything he said should be easily debunked.

If palestine was a nation before Israel, then what was its language?
What did it's flag look like?
How did their customs differentiate them from other Arabs?
Who were it's presidents, emperors, leaders........................
What was their country's borders? Where were they?
What interaction did they have with Rome, when it was expanding?
Did they fight Rome? Ally with Rome? Hide from Rome?
What is their history? Where is it?

You're just an ignorant bigot that repeats what other people tell you to, with no understanding of anything.

The nice thing about propaganda, is the ease in which it can be debunked with facts, cold hard irrefutable, reproducible facts.

Get busy or shut the f**k up.
If it's propaganda then everything he said should ... (show quote)


I'll let the son of an Israeli general answer your questions.

He was there when most of the Zionist crimes were going on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOaxAckFCuQ
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