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Oct 24, 2015 12:33:07   #
CowboyMilt wrote:
THE PLOT SEEMS TO CONTINUE TO THICKEN!


Here's more thickener. Turkey supplied the sarin gas to the Syrian rebels. You remember, the gas that was blamed on Assad? http://www.globalresearch.ca/turkish-whistleblowers-corroborate-story-on-false-flag-sarin-attack-in-syria/5483982
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Oct 24, 2015 12:26:27   #
VladimirPee wrote:
Because when I refute them you ignore it and cannot respond Still think 19 Men with Box Cutters cannot overtake a flight crew ?


They can't if they're not on the planes. And they weren't. Many of the accused hijackers have been found alive.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm
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Oct 24, 2015 12:02:59   #
Was ambassador Stevens involved in transferring weapons from the Libyan rebels to the Syrian rebels?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/cia-ops-finally-revealed-what-the-us-ambassador-in-benghazi-was-really-doing/5483957
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Oct 24, 2015 12:00:48   #
VladimirPee wrote:
Yes of course. The character of a person is DIRECTLY relative to what he says and why he says it


It would be much more convincing if you could refute what he says. Why do you avoid doing that?
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Oct 24, 2015 11:41:39   #
VladimirPee wrote:
HAHA Wesley Clark who killed Christians Serbians to protect radical Muslim Bosnians with some madeup shit about Genocide? LMAO


Is that your refutation?--attacking the character of General Clark instead of refuting what he says?
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Oct 24, 2015 11:39:25   #
DASHY wrote:
This back and forth discussion is a pretty good example of Confirmation Bias, which is the tendency to search for or interpret information in a way that confirms one's preconceptions.

1) Our Government leaders would never get involved in a horrific act against its own citizens and then lie about it.

2) Leaders have lied to its own people in the past and are capable of taking whatever course of action deemed necessary to gain the approval of their followers.


I had no preconceptions when 9/11 happened. I base my opinions on the fact that the three towers were brought down by controlled demolitions. There is no other explanation which will conform to the laws of science and physics.

The fact that those towers were imploded means our government and mainstream media has lied to us in order to create a fake war on terror against Arab/Muslim countries.
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Oct 24, 2015 11:32:00   #
VladimirPee wrote:
Obviously you don't as I demonstrated on your 911 crap. You have a closed mind and refuse to accept evidence which disproves any of your propaganda.


I don't recall you ever posting a valid rebuttal of any 9/11 evidence I have posted. All you can come up with is an attack on Youtube which is simply a method of transmitting information.

Refute this, if you can:

1. Zionist Larry Silverstein leased the World Trade Towers only weeks before the attacks. He insured them for terrorist attacks and attempted to collect double claiming there were two attacks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein

2. Silverstein collected over $4 billion in insurance payments on an investment of less than $120 million.
http://911review.com/attack/wtc/index.html

3. Silverstein normally had breakfast every day in a restaurant at the top of one of the towers. His son and daughter also worked in one of the towers. All three found reasons not to go to work on 9/11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm0PxzdHhPc

4. Silverstein said in a PBS filmed interview that he and the NYC fire dept decided to "pull" building 7 on the afternoon of 9/11. Wiring for explosive demolition takes weeks if not months. Why would the building which offices CIA, Secret Service, Guiliani's Office of Emergency Management and IRS be pre-wired for demolition? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p34XrI2Fm6I

Silverstein refuses to identify the fire chief he claims he talked to about "pulling" the building.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p34XrI2Fm6I

5. Silverstein was close friends with Ariel Sharon, Bibi Netanyahu and Ehud Barack.
http://iamthewitness.com/haaretzdaily-Up-in-smoke.html
http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/larry-silverstein-was-close-friends-netanyahu-sharon-barak
http://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it

6. Five Israelis were arrested after filming and celebrating the towers coming down. FBI interrogation revealed they were Mossad agents. They were deported and one of them later said in a TV interview that they were there to film the event. Therefore, they knew well ahead of time that it was going to happen. http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRfhUezbKLw

7. Hundreds of Israeli spies were rounded up and deported right after 9/11. Many of them were posing as art students in the area where the alleged hijackers were training in Florida.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbkQddEDPs0

8. $2.3 trillion was announced missing from Pentagon accounting while Bush appointee Dov Zakheim was in charge of Pentagon accounting. The missing funds were announced by Donald Rumsfeld the day before 9/11 and totally forgotten in the turmoil after 9/11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpSBUgbxBU

9. Dov Zakheim is a Zionist and a dual U.S./Israel citizen. Before being appointed Pentagon CFO, Zakheim was CEO of SPS International, part of System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor majoring in electronic warfare technologies, including remote-controlled aircraft systems, and the notorious Flight Termination System (FTS) technology that could hijack even a hijacked plane and land or crash it wherever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXLmAiNYRoE

10. Zakheim sent 32 767s to Florida in 2001 to be converted to refueling tankers. 767s are the same type planes that hit Towers I and II.
http://911review.org/brad.com/batcave/Dov_Zakheim_911.html
http://www.dailypaul.com/153527/dov-zakheim-and-911-from-freedom-of-information-act-request

11. Many of the members of PNAC who signed the letter describing the need for a new Pearl Harbor were Zionists including Dov Zakheim, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, Elliot Abrams, Scooter Libby and William Kristol.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/nc-pilger.html

12. Zim American Israel Shipping, half owned by Israel, moved out of one of the Trade Towers two weeks before the attacks, forfeiting $50,000 on their lease.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/02/21/zim-shipping-evidence-they-knew-911-was-coming/

13. Odigo, an Israeli company with offices in one of the towers received warnings to stay away on 9/11.
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/odigo-says-workers-were-warned-of-attack-1.70579

14. Jewish-controlled mainstream media covered up the fact that the towers were blown up. All MSM news censored all the news reports that were shown on TV that day reporting bombs going off in all three towers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UKfzGt6Fxk

15. General Wesley Clark says Zionist Neocons took control of America's foreign policy in a coup made possible by 9/11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oJUnG3Z6WI
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Oct 24, 2015 10:16:20   #
VladimirPee wrote:
I always suspected you were a nutcase who thinks everything on the internet was true


The internet is full of disinformation and lies. I have the ability to sift through it all and figure out what makes sense.
It makes sense that trolls such as yourself are employed in an effort to stop truth from reaching the masses.
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Oct 24, 2015 10:00:33   #
Vlad, I always suspected you were a troll.
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Oct 24, 2015 09:39:36   #
Truth is difficult to refute, isn't it?
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Oct 24, 2015 09:31:26   #
saltwind 78 wrote:
Vero, payne is no idiot. He is just a racist liar. His posts would be laughable if it weren't so sick. He has claimed that the Jews killed Kennedy. The Jews voted for kennedy in huge numbers! He claimed that the Jews caused 9/11. I guess all the press, the Justice department, the NSA, FBI and the CIA are all wrong! He has made even more ridiculous claims.
I can't decide if he is a self deluded jerk or an apologist for jihadist Muslims or both.


This is an outline of Zionist crimes over the last century.
See if you can refute any of these crimes.

1. Zionists persuade President Wilson to enter WWI even though the U.S. has no stake in the war.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8OmxI2AYV8
http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs086/1103027403968/archive/1110552167130.html

2. Zionists are rewarded by Britain with the Balfour Declaration which designates Palestine as a Jewish Homeland.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk9C_5CICiU

3. In 1913 Zionists in the U.S. start a secret Zionist society named "Parushim" which recruited Zionists for important governmental and academic positions. Jewish lawyer Louis Brandeis was recruited and helped convince President Wilson to go to war after Wilson appointed Brandeis as the first Jewish member of the Supreme Court. http://ifamericansknew.org/history/parushim.html
http://www.councilforthenationalinterest.org/new/lobby/history-of-us-israel-relations/

4. Zionists declare war on Germany in 1933 by declaring a worldwide Jewish boycott on German goods. While the boycott was in effect Zionists were making a deal with Hitler to send them to Palestine along with $100 million in Jewish money.
http://www.truetorahjews.org/antisemitism
http://team-simple.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2798

5. The "Transfer Agreement" Zionists agreed to end the Jewish boycott on German goods in return for 60,000 German Zionists being moved to Palestine with $100 million in Jewish money. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32941.htm

6. Zionists convinced other countries to turn back Jewish refugee ships fleeing Nazi persecution. http://www.truetorahjews.org/antisemitism

7. Zionists make up 75% of the prosecution team at Nuremberg in order to revise the history of WWII.
http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/Nuremberg/Thomas_Dodd_ltr.html

8. Zionist terrorist gangs blow up the King David Hotel in 1946, killing 91, including 17 Jews. http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/kd.html

9. In 1948 Zionist terrorists assassinated Swedish UN mediator, Count Folke Bernadotte, because the Zionists believed Bernadotte was favoring the Arabs.
http://www.wrmea.org/1995-september/jewish-terrorists-assassinate-u.n.-peacekeeper-count-...

10. In 1948 Zionists started their ethnic cleansing pogrom with the infamous "Nabka" or "Catastrophe."
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/ref-nakba.html

11. Israel's Zionist leaders attacked Egypt in the 1967 War, committing many atrocities in the process. http://electronicintifada.net/content/new-evidence-1967-war-reveals-israeli-atrocities/14635

12. Israel attacked the U.S.S. Liberty during the 1967 War, killing 34 Americans, severely injuring 172, and committing an act of war against the United States.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/10/24/israel-s-attack-on-the-liberty-revisited/

13. In 1954 Israeli agents firebombed U.S. installations in Egypt. http://www.wrmea.org/1992-july/the-lavon-affair-when-israel-firebombed-u.s.-installations...

14. During the 1960s, Zionists illegally developed nuclear weapons in secrecy. Israel has never allowed inspections of their nuclear weapons nor have they joined the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/15/truth-israels-secret-nuclear-arsenal

15. In 2008, Israel bombed the imprisoned Palestinian population of Gaza for 22 straight days, killing almost 1400 Palestinians who were mostly civilians. http://imeu.org/article/operation-cast-lead

16. In 2014, Israel bombed the imprisoned Palestinian population of Gaza for 50 straight days, killing over 2100 Palestinians including 500 children. http://imeu.org/article/50-days-of-death-destruction-israels-operation-protective-edge

17. Uri Avnery, ex-Israeli army officer said:
"What will be seared into the consciousness of the world will be the image of Israel as a blood-stained monster, ready at any moment to commit war crimes and not prepared to abide by any moral restraints."
http://www.alternet.org/story/121848/israel_screwed_itself_over_with_its_gaza_assault%3B_...
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Oct 24, 2015 09:22:11   #
emarine wrote:
@ 30 seconds in the video that's the center core you see wobbling around... there were 60 odd stories that fell after the main collapse... sill visible @ 60 seconds in the video... everything on earth falls straight down including buildings... you need another force to make it fall past its center of gravity ... you need to learn something about gravity before you spout stupid shit... same as Lego Larry professor of nothing... go back to school and learn something this time around or watch the slow motion video and see the events take place... pause the video every second past six seconds and see the truth with your own eyes... explosives travel faster than the speed of sound 343mps min ... gravity in most places on earth provides 9.7mps in air... if anything exploded you would clearly see it way before any movement of the building... no ka boom, no shock waves no explosives... many things explode but are not high explosives capable of cutting steel box tube... just because you can hear big bangs doesn't prove anything... many things explode in fires... just ask any fireman ... you guys are a bunch of paranoid jokers who don't know when you've gone too far pushing stupid shit... Lower Manhattan was being monitored by several seismographs for construction liability... not one recorded any explosions on 911... so you guys are selling Explosions that dropped two towers that produced no shock waves, flashes or vibrations like all other explosions do... even when you can clearly see the moment of failure @ 6 seconds into the video produces no shock wave and no flash at all... not enough to disturb the massive amount of smoke around both buildings ... you jokers should have gone with the alien theory like some other nuts..
@ 30 seconds in the video that's the center core y... (show quote)


You're asking readers not to believe what their eyes tell them.
Buildings don't collapse from fire damage. None ever have in the hundred year history of skyscrapers. If a skyscraper could fall from fire damage it would be a gradual collapse over a period of hours and the towers would have to be totally consumed by flames. The debris from the collapse would fall straight down rather than being propelled hundreds of feet outward from the center. The concrete floors would remain intact until they hit the ground instead of being pulverized as they fall. The fires in the South Tower burned for less than an hour. That's not nearly enough time to weaken even the top section. The North tower caught fire on the 11th floor in 1975 and burned for three times as long as the South Tower on 9/11. The steel was not damaged enough to require repair or replacement.
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Oct 24, 2015 09:11:35   #
emarine wrote:
Your dumb ... this is as basic as it gets that doesn't require any real smarts...enjoy fella its all about gravity ...http://science.howstuffworks.com/engineering/structural/building-implosion.htm


Gravity forces are straight down, not sideways:


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Oct 24, 2015 09:03:39   #
Ve'hoe wrote:
this guy payne, is an f-ing idiot...


The real idiots on this forum are those who can't refute what I post so they(you) attack my character instead.
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Oct 24, 2015 09:01:21   #
peter11937 wrote:
Just search his name and bio, it is in there.


As I said, you don't have a source to back up your lies.
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