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Dec 14, 2014 19:13:06   #
alex wrote:
all the federal govt did was told the state of Utah they could not become a state unless they outlawed plural marriage so it is a state law


Don't think it ever stopped, can only have one marriage license, still live with plural women. Just call them wife #1,2,3, and so on.
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Dec 14, 2014 19:07:47   #
Danielle wrote:
Absolutely right -- everything you wrote. "The separation of church and state" is not in the First Amendment to the Constitution or anywhere else in the Constitution. Secular humanists and the liberal left have used Thomas Jefferson's words -- actually written in a letter to the Danbury Baptists on New Year's Day weekend of 1802 (and not in the Constitution) -- to further their agendas against Christian and Jewish spiritual beliefs and against the Lord God Almighty.

No doubt about it, Thomas Jefferson's words in this letter have been twisted and misconstrued to further the left's political assault against conservatives and Bible-believing Americans.

When the secular humanists took over in the school systems, it was "no religion" in the public schools. Of course, the secular humanists failed to mention that secular humanism IS a religion as stated in the Humanist Manifesto. Now, it's gone from bad to evil. While Bibles are a "no, no," today's school children are being trained to embrace Islam, even bow their heads to "Allah" during prayers at school. When California parents took their child out of school for this reason and complained to the school system, they were told that it was school policy!

And, if that's not enough, the RINO leaders of our own Republican parties bowed their heads to Muslim prayer in our own House of Representatives. Personally, I consider this treason to America and to God, Himself, but still, it is their First Amendment right to do so.

Thomas Jefferson believed in maximizing religious liberty, and getting the government to stop promoting specific denominations and policing people's personal beliefs. At that time, of course, Jefferson was referring, most particularly, to the various Christian denominations in this fledgling country.

In other words, the signal Jefferson meant to send was that he believed in real religious liberty, not the purging of religion from the public sphere. America was founded a Christian country. America has not, however, ever stopped anyone from worshiping as they please. It's their First Amendment right to do so. It is also our First Amendment right to do so.

Unfortunately, we are under a UN/Islamic takeover in this country. It's a very real and evil political/religious agenda to make America a Socialist Islamic nation. (With a lot of communist beliefs all mixed up in the agenda.) Yes, our First Amendment rights, our rights to freedom of speech and spiritual beliefs are under a massive attack. Islam hates Jews and Christians. We are the infidels. Their war cry is to kill all the infidels to the glory of their idol god Allah.

Have we ever denied a Muslim, a Buddist, a Hindu, or even a Satan-worshipper the right to practice religious freedom in this country? No, not to my knowledge. But, does our current government and the UN/Islamic takeover of this country want to deny us the right to be Jews and Christians who have the same rights to worship freely? While it can be insidiously deceptive in many ways at this present point in time, you bet it does!

Obama (while he won't admit it openly) is Muslim and pro-Islam. Obama, while pretending to be against radical Muslim beliefs and terrorists, knows full well that killing Jews and Christians is just part of the Muslim religious foundation, whether the Muslim is a radical, psychotic terrorist or not. Unfortunately, our current administration is working hard toward the goal of endorsing a particular religion -- Islam -- on a national basis and forcing it down our throats. This is a definite violation of our Constitutional rights.

Several years back, our Messianic rabbi told us that we could not discuss politics or the upcoming election in our congregation or, if it were found out, he could lose his non-profit, tax-deductable status. Get that!! Government's big idea of separating the church from the state, as if it were the government's right to do such a thing! Since when should Bible believing Americans not be able to discuss politics at church? Bible history and prophecies, and today's world situation and politics, are incredibly interwoven.

Our current administration is in the ongoing process of insidiously creating a State or national religion, government sanctioned and required or else! The present administration is in the process of waging war against our Constitution in an effort to take away our Constitutional rights and freedoms. More of our rights are being threatened or lost everyday.
Absolutely right -- everything you wrote. "T... (show quote)


That is what separation of church and state is all about.
It goes back to the church of England, with all people had to pay taxes to the church. That is what is called separation of church and state. as you said our current administration is doing it's best to create a national religion.
Plane and Simple. Thank You!!!
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Dec 14, 2014 18:58:08   #
Blacksheep wrote:
Pointing out that religious doctrine is all made up, based entirely on a person's ability to believe, and is completely unprovable is not arguing or being argumentative, it's presenting facts that you insist on ignoring, and when you do that, you are the ones being argumentative.

If you can't look a fact square in the eye because it proves something you believe to be wrong, then you must not be very bright. You have no curiosity and no personal honesty. If you did, you would be able to set aside your beliefs when confronted with reality. But you can't. End of discussion.
Pointing out that religious doctrine is all made u... (show quote)
Well said end it, thanks..
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Dec 14, 2014 18:55:04   #
mwdegutis wrote:
Do you believe in the Rapture?

Depends on what you are calling the rapture. I do believe all saints will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air, and so shall we ever be, with him.

What do you think the rapture is?
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Dec 14, 2014 18:48:29   #
Blacksheep wrote:
I don't. Believe in God all you like. It's the RELIGION part I don't like. In fact I detest it and I've repeated this over and over and over to you AND YOU STILL DON'T GET IT. What's your problem, man? Why are you so persistently obtuse?

God is real. Yes. Religions are ALL total bullshit. Yes. Can't you make that simple separation? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Do you know what religion is?
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Dec 14, 2014 18:44:31   #
mwdegutis wrote:
It appears that you are talking about Replacement Theology, which is a dangerous place to go.

No it's not replacement theology. Read the bible, that is you need. Just what is replacement theology any way?
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Dec 14, 2014 18:39:55   #
Blacksheep wrote:
I don't. Believe in God all you like. It's the RELIGION part I don't like. In fact I detest it and I've repeated this over and over and over to you AND YOU STILL DON'T GET IT. What's your problem, man? Why are you so persistently obtuse?

God is real. Yes. Religions are ALL total bullshit. Yes. Can't you make that simple separation? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Read Acts Chapter 2:ff/ also chapter 20:vs7; They assembled.
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Dec 14, 2014 18:32:54   #
Grugore wrote:
If I remember correctly, the Bible mentions Jews from the four corners of the world returning to their homeland. And yes, I've read the NT.

Where did you read it Book Chapter and verse?
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Dec 14, 2014 18:28:45   #
mwdegutis wrote:
Just so we're on the same page, what does "when" refer to?

That is a time, like when did you fall off the truck?
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Dec 14, 2014 18:26:05   #
Blacksheep wrote:
The desparate man cried out, on his KNEES he cried out, "Oh give me a sign, Lord. Give me a SIGN!"

Lo, the clouds in the heavens parted, the sun's beams shone through on this wretched man, and the whole area lit up about him, and suddenly he could see "room for rent", "STOP", and "No parking between the hours of 6 AM and 4:30 PM on Wednesdays".

Yes, beloved, the signs are all about us, merely open thine eyes and see, praise Blacksheep the Wondrous. :lol: :lol: :lol:

The signs we keep hearing about have repeated over and over. My hell sakes, people, they've had 2000 years to keep repeating. Over. And over. And over. Why do you think every century back through history has had at least two times when everyone thought The Time Has Come?

But you will believe, and no one can shake you loose from your grip on that heap of lies.
The desparate man cried out, on his KNEES he cried... (show quote)


What have I said all along NO ONE KNOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dec 14, 2014 18:20:27   #
Grugore wrote:
It says no one will know the day or the hour. But the signs are there that tell us it should be soon. Remember what it says about the generation that witnesses the restoration of Israel?

How did you come up with it should be soon?
And what generation that witnesses the restoration of Israel? The Israel we read about in the bible is not that nation in the middle east. God is talking about the man Israel, not that land. God destroyed the temple of Israel, it is no more. He established the new kingdom (spiritual)
Maybe you have heard about the new testament.
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Dec 14, 2014 17:52:09   #
Grugore wrote:
It says no one will know the day or the hour. But the signs are there that tell us it should be soon. Remember what it says about the generation that witnesses the restoration of Israel?


I agree a lot of talk about signs that tell us things that are going let us know about these things, we just don't know when. NO one knows WHEN...
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Dec 14, 2014 17:46:52   #
Grugore wrote:
It says no one will know the day or the hour. But the signs are there that tell us it should be soon. Remember what it says about the generation that witnesses the restoration of Israel?


I think you are mixed up, how can that be? Jesus said no one would know of that day or hour, where is the signs?
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Dec 14, 2014 17:43:38   #
Grugore wrote:
As always.

Who are you talking about, wanting an argument?
Just the plain truth.
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Dec 14, 2014 17:36:10   #
Grugore wrote:
I know exactly what the Constitution means. I've read what our founding fathers have to say about it too. Where do you think I misunderstood it? Please enlighten us poor, ignorant members of the masses.


The First Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion.
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