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Dec 17, 2013 17:16:22   #
jasfourth401 wrote:
I slanted nothing. Armed guard at Columbine. 13 dead. End of story. Your coulda/shoulda/woulda/maybe/only if/better training flailing doesn't change the fact that 13 died at a school with an armed guard. Life isn't some stylized video game with Chuck Norris bursting through the door, guns blazing, taking out the evil doers. Life is an armed sheriff deputy that missed his mark. Life is realizing this violence will happen again with or without armed guards. And there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.
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Don't give me the coulda/shoulda/woulda/maybe/only if/better training bullshxt. Stick to the facts that this officer prevented more injuries and deaths.
Also admit that we learned after this incident and have better security and procedures. Stick your head in the sand and cry Henny Penny, the sky is falling and do NOTHING and maybe the problem will away.

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Dec 17, 2013 14:10:51   #
jasfourth401 wrote:
No problem Snoopy. It's public record. On April 20, 1999, shooters Harris and Klebold killed 13. On the scene that day was Neil Gardner, an armed sheriff's deputy who had been policing the school for almost two years. He shot (and missed) Harris in the parking lot. He later saw Harris through a broken window and shot again...and missed again.


Revision on my last comment. Neil Gardner was about 60 yards away from the shooters. An impossible shot with a pistol at that range. It was also stated that he escorted many students to safety while distracting the shooters.

Still a very valid reason to have armed security in schools. You slanted the information to validate your position.

Shame!

Snoopy
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Dec 17, 2013 14:00:23   #
jasfourth401 wrote:
No problem Snoopy. It's public record. On April 20, 1999, shooters Harris and Klebold killed 13. On the scene that day was Neil Gardner, an armed sheriff's deputy who had been policing the school for almost two years. He shot (and missed) Harris in the parking lot. He later saw Harris through a broken window and shot again...and missed again.


The main point here is that Neil Gardner was a lousy shot. Would have saved some people if there were mandatory firearm training on a continuing basis.

I find NO fault in having armed security in schools but better training and practice is a must.

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Dec 17, 2013 09:44:22   #
jasfourth401 wrote:
It will keep happening whether you have armed guards at school doors or not. Doesn't matter. Columbine proved this assertion to be false. This attitude also gives you a false sense of security. Armed guards won't protect students in the parking lot, at the football stadium, on the bus, or anytime they step foot off school property...like the mall, or movie theater...or the most dangerous place of all...a home with unsecured firearms.


I see NO reference to guards at the Columbine shooting. Where does it prove that an armed presence in a school is NOT a deterrent?

Please state the facts.

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Dec 17, 2013 09:26:59   #
Dear Old School

Case in point. The recent shooting in Colorado was stopped by (guess who?)

An armed officer (off duty).

Are we going to learn something in this or will continue to make schools a shooting gallery?

Those who do not pay attention to the lessons in history are doomed to the same disaster.

Or, the words of Albert Einstein: doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is INSANITY!

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Dec 16, 2013 16:54:50   #
hoonie61 wrote:
Well folks, we have been drilled for ages about our rights. mainly, the right to keep and bear arms comes to mind.Irregardless, whether we are of stable mind, god fearing, law abiding citizens... do we REALLY, REALLY have to have a gun. I grew un in farm country, hunted for years, but I am now 70 years old. I do not own weapons of any kind! And I AM NOT PASSING ANYTHING IN REFERENCE TO FIREARMS TO ANY OF MY KIDS AND GRANDIES. I have heard this story countless times. Phooey on this way of thinking! What we got here, is a huge money making machine for the manufacturers. We need to carry a gun so we can kill, and kill again. Responsible gun ownership is fine when it works, but somehow these guns fall into the wrong hands, or involved in a heated argument. We all know the story about the mental illness spreading the nation. We can't help them now can we? O hell yes, do we shoot em cuz they are mentally screwed up? No, we don't do that, that is cruel right. Rehabilitate? Horse crap! So, therefor, we ban guns, right or wrong, case closed, you gun boys are gonna have to get yer rocks of on something else . And thats the bottom line. Also, arming one self is not the answer either. Theres enough of that crap going on the way it is. "HANG UP YER IRONS BOYS".
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Try selling that line to the bad guys, felons and just plain bad guys!

Just try to take all the illegal guns out of circulation. You have a better of picking fly shit out of pepper while wearing boxing gloves!

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Dec 15, 2013 15:44:39   #
Brian

The children in Sandy Hook were killed by someone who was mentally ill and stole the firearms from his mother. She was stupid to let him have access to the weapons. There is NO cure or law against stupidity!

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Dec 15, 2013 15:36:34   #
dwcarmi wrote:
This is a trampling of the 2d amendment. New York isn't Nazi Germany, but it sounds close. I'm sure that the people that live in and love the state are looking to move to friendlier places to live.


I am checking out Pennsylvania!

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Dec 15, 2013 14:27:32   #
Inyourface wrote:
Children running from their class rooms, hands in the air. Terrified ,no coats, and subjected to body seartches by armed authorities.

Great visual for rightwing ,NRA world of 2013. Where are all those idiots that were catawalling after the recent recall of those Colorado,legislators who dared vote for common sense, laws attempting to keep guns away from lunatics like this last one?

The slaughter of children is high price to pay for paranoid ,white folks and the gun industry having it their way.
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Let us look at one incident - Sandy Hook. Lanza was a mental case. He stole his mother's weapons that were legal.

We are now blaming the weapons - not the real culprit -mental health!

His mother knew he was unstable yet allowed access. There is no cure or law against stupidity.

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Dec 15, 2013 06:30:51   #
bmac32 wrote:
Anti-gunners are always pushing for registration of firearms and their owners for a reason, it sets the stage for future confiscations, although they vehemently deny this. They would have us believe their registration schemes are for public safety, although it’s never been shown that registration has reduced crime in countries in which it has been implemented. They want us to believe they support our 2nd Amendment rights and only ask us to concede on “reasonable restrictions” for the safety of our children… it’s always about the children.

In 2010 New York City passed an ordinance that banned shotguns and rifles capable of holding more than (5) rounds. The city has mandatory registration of both long guns and handguns plus requires owners to be licensed as well. It was only a matter of time before the city decided to enforce the 2010 law and demand owners of most every type of semi-automatic long arm in existence to turn them in or face legal ramifications. feinstein quote round up guns

On November 18th of this year, the city of New York started mailing notices to registered gun owners stating they must “immediately surrender” their rifle and/or shotgun to their local police precinct, then instructed the subject to notify the city of the “invoice number” given to them by police for the transaction. The letter went on to say, “The firearm may be sold or permanently removed from the city of New York thereafter.” The subject could also offer proof the firearm(s) in question were either moved out of city limits or were modified by a licensed gunsmith to be compliant with the law.

I use the term “subject” to describe the former citizens of New York because as citizens with unalienable rights they wouldn’t be bound by such edicts. They have been subjugated.

People often times ask my why I’m staunchly opposed to registration or even “background checks” conducted by the federal government. I’m opposed because it’s not a matter of “if” confiscations will occur once the government has a database of gun owners, it’s only a matter of “when”, as we’re now seeing in NYC.

Yes, I said I’m opposed to background checks too. Why? Because the government isn’t to be trusted. They lie, they cheat, they spy, they extort, they murder and they do everything they possibly can to maintain control of the population. So when the government claims they’re not keeping records of NICS transactions, I don’t trust them. There is evidence that the FBI doesn’t destroy the data collected by NICS as required by law. Every once in a while someone in government slips up and leaks a glimpse of what’s really going on behind the scenes. Take this 2011 news story as an example.

Scroll to the end of the article and read the 3rd paragraph from the bottom.

Police suspect the siblings are carrying “an arsenal of weapons,” after tracing prior background checks run by gun sellers and confirming that Ryan bought an AK-47 assault rifle at a pawn shop two years ago. Authorities say the rifle is similar to the one used in the bank robbery. Similar checks also show Stanley owns guns.

Did you catch that? They “traced prior background checks” and confirmed Ryan owned an AK that he purchased two years ago from a pawn shop. You see, through the NICS background check system and the requirement for gun shops to keep records of all firearms sales, every single gun owner is currently “registered” which allows the government to know exactly what you have and where you have it. The BATF can stroll into any gun shop in the country and demand the dealer open their books so they can investigate customers and see exactly what they’ve purchased. The BATF doesn’t need a warrant to demand to see this information and gun shops routinely make it available to them either by phone or when the agents show up in person.

When a gun shop goes out of business, by law the shop must mail the records to the BATF. I think we can safely assume the ATF doesn’t destroy them. I’m betting they digitize and archive them thus creating a secret backdoor registry.

We’re told that federal registration of gun owners is illegal, but yet it’s taking place.

We’ve been conditioned by the media and by gun-grabbers to believe that background checks are “reasonable” for public safety, yet until 1998 we didn’t have the NICS system. How did we ever get along before NICS? Were people being slaughtered in droves by madmen with guns before NICS? No… Long before NICS was implemented, the crime rate was dropping nationwide. There is no evidence that NICS has had any positive impact on public safety what-so-ever, yet we’re told it’s a reasonable encroachment on our Constitutionally protected rights.

NICS and 4473 forms combined are gun owner registration, pure and simple.

Join the fight against registration by becoming politically active. While organizations like the NRA fight many good battles on our behalf, they fall far short on this issue as they support the current background check system. We need to support organizations like Armed Citizens United that vow to fight against backdoor registration. It’s up to us to secure our rights for future generations. We also need to make sure we keep compromisers such as Brandon Webb off the NRA board of directors.

http://www.thebangswitch.com/confiscation-becoming-a-reality/
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Hooray!

At least someone has their facts straight!

New York will be the first state to fall.

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Dec 15, 2013 06:26:11   #
Snoopy wrote:
Are you aware that after many years of long gun registration in New York City the New York City police department is demanding all owners of long gun with a capacity of five or more round to do the following:

Turn said weapons over to the police.
Professionally render able to hold only one round
Send them out of New York State

Since MOST long guns fall into the above category this amounts to consideration

Sorry . . . Confiscation

Snoopy

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Dec 15, 2013 06:25:09   #
RetNavyCWO wrote:
So that readers will better understand what his comment was all about, below are the provisions of the "New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act of 2013" commonly known as the NY SAFE Act.

I, too, DISAGREE with this law, although I do agree with a few provisions. If I lived in NY, I would not be getting rid of my high-capacity magazines. I appreciate this gentleman's emotional appeal, and I agree with a good bit of his testimony, but I don't really see a connection between gun ownership in the U.S. and the horrors he experienced in Iraq or Afghanistan.

NEW YORK'S "THE SAFE ACT" PROVISIONS:

* Bans possession of any "high-capacity magazines" regardless of when they were made or sold. The maximum capacity for all magazines is 10 rounds. It is a misdemeanor to load more than 7 rounds into a magazine, even at home, for personal and family protection. There is a limited exception, while at a gun range, ten rounds may be loaded into a magazine for target practice or in shooting competitions. Magazines owned before passage of the SAFE Act able to hold seven to ten rounds can be possessed, but cannot be loaded with more than seven rounds. .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from this limit. Previously legal "pre-1994-ban" magazines with a capacity of 30 rounds are not exempt, and must be sold within one year to an out-of-state resident or turned in to local authorities. The magazine limit took effect April 15, 2013. In March 2013, the magazine limit provision was scaled back, allowing ten round magazines, but still only loaded with seven rounds outside of ranges and competitions.

* Ammunition dealers are required to do background checks, similar to those for gun buyers. Dealers are required to report all sales, including amounts, to the state. Internet sales of ammunition are allowed, but the ammunition will have to be shipped to a licensed dealer in New York state for pickup. Ammunition background checks will begin January 15, 2014.

* Requires creation of a registry of assault weapons. Those New Yorkers who already own such weapons would be required to register their guns with the state. Registry began on April 15, 2013 and must be completed before April 15, 2014.

* Requires designated mental health professionals who believe a mental health patient made a credible threat of harming others to report the threat to a mental health director, who would then have to report serious threats to the state Department of Criminal Justice Services. A patient's gun could be taken from him or her.

* Stolen guns are required be reported within 24 hours. Failure to report can result in a misdemeanor.

* Broadens definition of "assault weapon" from two identified features to one. The sale and/or transfer of newly defined assault weapons is banned within the state, although sales out of state are permitted. Possession of the newly-defined assault weapons is allowed only if they were possessed at the time that the law was passed, and must be registered with the state within one year.

* Requires background checks for all gun sales, including by private sellers - except for sales to members of the seller's immediate family. Private sale background checks began March 15, 2013.

* Guns must be "safely stored" from any household member who has been convicted of a felony or domestic violence crime, has been involuntarily committed, or is currently under an order of protection. Unsafe storage of assault weapons is a misdemeanor.

* Bans the Internet sale of assault weapons.

* Increases sentences for gun crimes, including upgrading the offense for taking a gun on school property from a misdemeanor to a felony.

* Increases penalties for shooting first responders (Webster provision) to life in prison without parole.

* Limits the state records law to protect handgun owners from being identified publicly. However, existing permit holders have to opt into this provision by filing a form within 120 days of the law's enactment. There also may exist issues with respect to "registered" owners in the new regulations vs "permit" holders under previous law.

* Requires pistol permit holders or owners of registered assault weapons to have them renewed at least every five years.
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Are you aware that after many years of long gun registration in New York City the New York City police department is demanding all owners of long gun with a capacity of five or more round to do the following:

Turn said weapons over to the police.
Professionally render able to hold only one round
Send them out of New York State

Since MOST long guns fall into the above category this amounts to consideration

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Dec 14, 2013 14:27:52   #
Mr. bill

Obumma has left Bush in the dust.

So many mistakes, lies and hiding facts it is impossible to count.

Snoopy
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Dec 14, 2013 07:22:54   #
Dear Votenoobama

My emergency carry bag contains, 1 Sig Sauer .45 (with mag), 3 back up mags, 1 flashlight, proper ID, and 1 energy bar if I get tired after shooting.
I do not need a compass - I know where I am going.

Snoopy
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Dec 14, 2013 05:58:52   #
Brian

Another in depth, well thought out answer! (Zzzzzzzzzzz)?

Snoopy
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