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Sep 3, 2019 21:41:15   #
JoyV wrote:
So where does the bottom get its wealth to pass up to the top? It doesn't just magically appear.

Not to mention, the bottom has no wealth in the first place. They are living off the taxpayers.

And who determines what is a fair share? In a free market, the market supply and demand determines it. So in your world, how does that work?


There is just not much wealth at the bottom.
If any ever shows up there is some who grabs it.
It rises until some one at the top just invest it to make more money that they don.t want to pay taxes on.
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Sep 3, 2019 21:21:33   #
JFlorio wrote:
Sorry but that's a lot of balderdash. Not one suggestion on how to accomplish it. You liberals are awful good at ideas, just no solutions.


Oh I didn't agree with you 100%. Sorry but your less than 50% right.
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Sep 3, 2019 21:15:24   #
JFlorio wrote:
Not sure exactly what you are getting at. As a whole many of the rich I have met or seen on T.V. are the most miserable screwed up people I've ever seen. Capitalism is the greatest of all types of economic models. Is it fair? Hell no. Is life? Hell no. What economic model do you recommend? I feel I have paid in way more than my fair share to the govt. coffers. I've prepared for it and live a very comfortable life. I believe true happiness comes in knowing your Savior Jesus Christ, but hey, that's me.
Not sure exactly what you are getting at. As a who... (show quote)


I think I just answered that some where.
I will just say that we need the best parts of both conservatism & liberalism
We mix & match the best parts of both & we may get something that will work good.

Too much of either is not good.

It is people like you & I exchanging thoughts & ideas.
With others adding their thoughts & ideas.
It is what many bring together that what we want will come from.

We already have a system that has many good parts.
We snip a little here & there & add an idea or two here & there.

Over all we are & have better pieces to work with.

We as a nation have much to be proud of.
We need to put all of or best thinkers to the task of really making America great.
Not in the sense it once was but in the sense of what it really could be.

As individuals we need to be united.
Being united is what made America strong & it is needed that way again.

We have let our self's be divided & it is only us that can make us united again.
To much division between our self will only end in failure.
Trust & confidence in our goal is vital.

I don't think either of us needs a world that personal caters to our individual wants & needs.
So I think we both would be able to think & act on what would be good for most people.

We should interest others to join in seeking what needs to be done.
If we both are as pure of thought as we think we are we will soon find out.

Because it needs a Ponzi of a sort to carry out what needs to be done.
Because we don't seek it for personal gain, but only gains for the betterment of all.
There will be a goodness with it.
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Sep 3, 2019 18:48:09   #
JFlorio wrote:
Except for your constant whining I have never heard your replacement for capitalism. What economic policy would you employ?


Well there are people in positions of leaders ship that already do the right things.

But our system rewards those with the most best.
It is like giving a person an inch & they take a mile.

I say it is not about replacing capitalism.
But tempering it with some liberalism.
We will never get the complete best of both.

So we keep the best parts of both.
As long as we keep mixing the parts we may come close.
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Sep 3, 2019 18:31:26   #
Barracuda2020 wrote:
Maybe I will, there are now better places to live out one's life and raise a family with a better quality of life other than corporate America.

You guys always have it backwards, it is your party seeking totalitarianism, we were witnessing the beginnings of it, just before the last election, You guys had it all,complete control, you were so happy and making your way steamrolling of the country and our civil rights, putting all your judges in place in order to Dominate.

There are plenty of red neck sh*t hole camps all throughout the country. These are the people who don't know any better than voting for a Republican is a vote against their benefits, their own self-interests. Isn't that perfect justice.

You guys don't comprehend E Pluribus Unum, your too busy kicking the guy next to you off the cliff to make sure you got yours.
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Well little by little sanity will return to America.
Little by little the new faces in government will bring back the sanity we need to have the nation we want & need.
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Sep 3, 2019 18:23:37   #
slatten49 wrote:
Floyd, you seem a good man with a big heart. I sincerely hope that your golden years continue to reward you for having led an worthy life. My thoughts are that your heirs have likely been rewarded in having you along their individual journeys through life.

Rock on, my friend


As always.
I say we both have our ducks in a row.

Let me say that there are always wonderful dividends from my investment in my children.
One son was over & fixed a lot of house problems.
I taught him all I knew & gave him lots of my tools & he has taken it along way from where I left off.

I don't seem to ever stop running in to great people.
You are on my good guy list.
I would say you are a big part of why I am & stay on this site.
There are unhappy people on this site.
If they could take a page or 2 out of our play book. I think they would be less mixed up.
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Sep 3, 2019 18:07:22   #
JoyV wrote:
But every time regulations or tax hikes are made to target big businesses, it is the small businesses who get hit the hardest. And job losses also occur. I agree that there has been a widening gap over several decades between the finances of the rich and poor. But every time a policy is put in place to try to correct the issue through increased taxes and regulations, it is the small businesses and middle class who suffer. Instead of looking to punish those who are wealthy, no matter how unfair it looks; a better way is to reward them for providing more jobs to Americans and not abroad. While imposing consequences, not for big profits, but for outsourcing jobs. Making American companies pay tariffs to bring their foreign made goods home for sale; is one way to do so.
But every time regulations or tax hikes are made t... (show quote)


This is the capitalistic way of doing things.
You need to get out more that you put in.
The greater the profit the better.

The game is all about drawing the wealth from the bottom.
If you are in the middle you have to keep passing more to the top.
If there is less at the bottom to draw on there is less for you to keep.
The top is a greedy thing to feed.

So as the poor gets poor the middle has less to pass on.
So some of the middles gain has to be passed on.
Then some of the middle becomes poorer.

You like this system so perhaps if your not ending up with you fair share you should look to where that money is really going.
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Sep 3, 2019 17:56:16   #
emarine wrote:
The top 26 wealthiest Americans have accumulated more money than 50% of all Americans have combined … while working wages are stagnant for decades the wealthiest rake in 200 to 2000%... they should pay in much more into the system...


Another person who knows what is really going on.
Thank you.
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Sep 3, 2019 17:54:09   #
JoyV wrote:
And who gets the tax breaks under left wing government? The same people you are railing about that's who!

Redistribution of wealth has never worked in the long term. Whenever someone tries to even the playing field by increasing taxes or imposing harder regulations on the wealthy, it is the small business which is hit hard while the wealthy businesses either use loopholes or outsource. They do not suffer. Jobs are reduced and the employees and small businesses suffer. That the very wealthy are out for their own interests I take as a given. The problem is what can be done about it without harming employees and small businesses?

Imposed higher wages sounds great until the employee who use to get by with their old wages, and applaud the higher wages; have their hours cut or lose their job. Sounding good is not a reason to apply new laws, rules, or regulations. It should be the starting point to research the long term consequences of making the desired change.

Wages increase when employees are scarce. Whether it be because the job in question has fewer qualified people who can do it, or because businesses are expanding and more employees are needed. Then companies have to compete for the employees.
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I get a kick out of the redistribution of wealth.
A system where money invested is taxed at a lower weight than money earn with physical effort.
A system that will always end up with the few having the most.

Then hearing people blame the poor man in the street for robbing them.

If you feel that you are not getting your fair share of the pie you need to check on just who has hold of that pie & cutting it.
Let me be clear it is not who you blame it on.
You sure have guts going down that road.
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Sep 3, 2019 17:43:18   #
If you live long enough & play your card right you can come out ahead.
If you have good insight on life & you make the right choices early on you can get ahead.

IT IS NOT A GAME FOR THE FAINT OF HEART
Or those that only wish to live for it all today.

For starters you need to stop supporting a system where those getting the most keep getting more of the most.
You can't let those with the most keep getting more because one day just a few will have it all.
I spent 50 yrs of my life making others rich. In the end they wanted me to thank them for all they did for me.

I have what I have because I was blessed with a couple of aunts who left me some of what they saved.
It didn't hurt to have some money to invest.
Some thing I hope I can leave for my heirs.

I still have much to look forward to in life.

Well run with this idea & see where it takes us.
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Sep 3, 2019 17:25:16   #
JoyV wrote:
And who gets the tax breaks under left wing government? The same people you are railing about that's who!

Redistribution of wealth has never worked in the long term. Whenever someone tries to even the playing field by increasing taxes or imposing harder regulations on the wealthy, it is the small business which is hit hard while the wealthy businesses either use loopholes or outsource. They do not suffer. Jobs are reduced and the employees and small businesses suffer. That the very wealthy are out for their own interests I take as a given. The problem is what can be done about it without harming employees and small businesses?

Imposed higher wages sounds great until the employee who use to get by with their old wages, and applaud the higher wages; have their hours cut or lose their job. Sounding good is not a reason to apply new laws, rules, or regulations. It should be the starting point to research the long term consequences of making the desired change.

Wages increase when employees are scarce. Whether it be because the job in question has fewer qualified people who can do it, or because businesses are expanding and more employees are needed. Then companies have to compete for the employees.
And who gets the tax breaks under left wing govern... (show quote)


There is no two ways about this issue:
Wages for the average worker have loss ground over the last 40 years.
Either the problem leaves you getting less than you deserve or you are getting more than you deserve.
You are either a victim or perpetuator of the scheme.

It either costs you or you gain from it.

As to the small business owner.
If the person they are looking for to buy what they sell has more money it is much better for him than his banker getting more. Or for the producer to get higher profits.

There is too much interest in the person at the top of the food chain getting more & each person down that chain gaining less.

All to soon people miss that most of the wealth keeps going up the chain & staying there.
It is all a big Ponzi chain. The first ones gains big & each one following gets less.

Well there can never be a truly fair & just system when playing by the rules of Ponzi schemes.
Few winners many losers.

You may think your potion in the chain will serve you well.

I think there is going to be a big awaking & many Ponzi schemes will fail.
This will be bad for those in first & an awakening for most others.
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Sep 3, 2019 17:01:59   #
proud republican wrote:
What does it tell you???...That means he either bought a gun in a Black Market or stole it from somebody else...In any case,like i have been saying ...If somebody wants to kill you,he will find a way to do it!!!...This murderer just proved my theory...What we need to do is to go after Black Market gun sales...Congress needs to think about that too,besides background checks...


There are just too many people who are for having & keeping guns.
Most of them stand in the way of ever coming up with a working solution to the problems guns pose to Us.

If those that want to keep there guns cannot come up with an livable answer.
All you really here so loud & clean is what they would do if some one came for their guns
Some one else may provide an answer they wont like.

The cost of the damage done with guns is a heavy price for the general public to pay for.
Some how the public that wants to have & keep their guns needs to see that there are just too many guns in the wrong hands.
A logical starting place is to find out who has guns & those that have access to guns.

At this time there are too many loop holes about who has guns & who should not have them.
So how do we find out that information?

This is directed at those that make guns, sell guns, buy guns of have guns.
The should be no loop holes.

The price of miss use of guns is a stiff price in death & physical harm to be paid by the general public.
So major part of the cost for some one to have guns is picked up by the general public.
This is an issue in dire need of finding a solution.

I say with rights there are obligations.
No who should be a part of paying for those obligations?
As a member of the none gun owning group I think it is unfair for individuals of tax paying public to have to pick up major cost coming from gun miss use.

As an individual I can only complain. But for far seem individuals of the legal & insurance industries who are now a connected part of the recover from that miss use there are ways to lighten the cost of those groups by sharing cost with other involved groups.
Some day one of those individuals in one of those groups will see a connection & provide a answer.

Going after more money will always draw interest.
If a little old man can see a way to go after money.
Think what a lawyer or insurance person can think up.

They are no going to have to take the guns away.
They will find a way to make you want to give them up.

I may just have to share my thoughts in different channels.
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Sep 3, 2019 15:56:40   #
Barracuda2020 wrote:
This balance will be a hard thing to do, it appears to me this new right is seeking full control.


Only a person with faith in their self & others will extend kindness to others first.
So I would say that those on the right lack faith in them self & listen to others rather than extend kindness.
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Sep 3, 2019 15:41:41   #
byronglimish wrote:
Floyd, are you an athiest? No offense intended.


I believe that there is a God.

Most people believe that there is a God.
Through out history various groups have had different Gods.
That is still the case today.

Now if there is a real God or a made up God is a conclusion you have to come to by your self.
I cannot prove or disprove that issue.

I guess that I will wait until the judgement day & go with my gut feeling.
In the mean time I will try todo or be as good as I can.
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Sep 3, 2019 15:22:36   #
JoyV wrote:
And what generates the money in the 1st place? Income taxes. What generates the jobs which provide the incomes? If you want more gold, killing or punishing the golden goose is stupid. Just because the goose keeps a portion of the gold for himself.


Have you any notion or idea of just who holds most of the wealth?

How about wages have not increased nearly as much as profits have over the last 40 years.
Do you pay any attention to the information about how few control the most wealth?
You have been supporting the politics that have made this all possible.

Who keeps getting the tax breaks under right-wing government?

Just keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
Just remember that their are as many or more voters who are independent as there are members of any political party.
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