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May 20, 2015 21:13:24   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
Your view of the world and it's sexual nature is in fact, your view in the context in which you would like to see it. Specially in fellow human beings. Some of the animal traits you mentioned are practiced by human beings today. Not so much in our western society but I could list cases and points. Some of your points on animal behavior is practiced by the very young in humans till taught differently. Are you saying that only animal males kill other males for breeding rights. Look around the human race and tell me thats not done by many. Right now in the middle east is an example. We as a species have a long way to go before we can further separate ourselves from the rest of god's creatures. Not you. Not me. The species as a whole.
I am guessing that in your wants for us all you have separated yourself from much of the worlds present reality.
I am trying to say that what you believe to be right is fine.
It's just not reality. Not what you see in man nor animal.


Just saving.





no propaganda please wrote:
Yes, throughout nature same sex acts happen. They are often part of dominance aggression, but can also be just a biological urge that is exhibited inappropriately, such as observed daily in dogs, which will mount anything even your furniture. Whether it is a natural act for some dogs, goats or monkeys should make no difference to humans. Considering that animals eat each others feces, and urinate on each other during courting and as a dominance behavior, breed female without their permission, kill other males so that they may mate with the other males females, anyone who believes that because animals do it it is a good thing and should be considered honorable in humans, has taken moral relativism to a new low. those people if they are using the same logic that it is natural somewhere so it is natural for humans should be against punishing others for murdering their children, or the children sired by another man because those are natural and very common in the animal world, as is the female eating her own young soon after giving birth to them.
Yes, throughout nature same sex acts happen. They... (show quote)

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May 20, 2015 21:23:26   #
Marcus Johnson
 
missinglink wrote:
Your view of the world and it's sexual nature is in fact, your view in the context in which you would like to see it. Specially in fellow human beings. Some of the animal traits you mentioned are practiced by human beings today. Not so much in our western society but I could list cases and points. Some of your points on animal behavior is practiced by the very young in humans till taught differently. Are you saying that only animal males kill other males for breeding rights. Look around the human race and tell me thats not done by many. Right now in the middle east is an example. We as a species have a long way to go before we can further separate ourselves from the rest of god's creatures. Not you. Not me. The species as a whole.
I am guessing that in your wants for us all you have separated yourself from much of the worlds present reality.
I am trying to say that what you believe to be right is fine.
It's just not reality. Not what you see in man nor animal.


Just saving.
Your view of the world and it's sexual nature is i... (show quote)


I just noticed that your world view is a picture of you having a romantic dinner with a really cute canine.

Just sayin.
Just joking. ...not to be taken seriously. ...seriously.
:wink:

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May 20, 2015 21:54:38   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
That dog is a little Q T.
Couldn't help posting it.
No problem. Seriously. ...seriously/lol

Marcus Johnson wrote:
I just noticed that your world view is a picture of you having a romantic dinner with a really cute canine.

Just sayin.
Just joking. ...not to be taken seriously. ...seriously.
:wink:

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May 20, 2015 21:59:41   #
Marcus Johnson
 
missinglink wrote:
That dog is a little Q T.
Couldn't help posting it.
No problem. Seriously. ...seriously/lol


LOL.. actually very cute dog. Love dogs

Seriously. ... :thumbup:

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May 20, 2015 22:16:52   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
missinglink wrote:
Your view of the world and it's sexual nature is in fact, your view in the context in which you would like to see it. Specially in fellow human beings. Some of the animal traits you mentioned are practiced by human beings today. Not so much in our western society but I could list cases and points. Some of your points on animal behavior is practiced by the very young in humans till taught differently. Are you saying that only animal males kill other males for breeding rights. Look around the human race and tell me thats not done by many. Right now in the middle east is an example. We as a species have a long way to go before we can further separate ourselves from the rest of god's creatures. Not you. Not me. The species as a whole.
I am guessing that in your wants for us all you have separated yourself from much of the worlds present reality.
I am trying to say that what you believe to be right is fine.
It's just not reality. Not what you see in man nor animal.


Just saving.
Your view of the world and it's sexual nature is i... (show quote)


You are correct that man is a fallen creature. My concern is that today society not only is aware of that but actually honors and validates animal behavior in humans and exhaults some of it as extremely virtuous. If humans are, in your opinion no different from the average rat in required standards of behavior then you can celebrate those behaviors. I, and many others, hold mankind to a higher standard.

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May 20, 2015 22:24:32   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
Well that ends this conversation. Now that you hold me in the same strata as rats that tells me all I need to know. No sense in discussing this further.
Good day




no propaganda please wrote:
You are correct that man is a fallen creature. My concern is that today society not only is aware of that but actually honors and validates animal behavior in humans and exhaults some of it as extremely virtuous. If humans are, in your opinion no different from the average rat in required standards of behavior then you can celebrate those behaviors. I, and many others, hold mankind to a higher standard.

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May 21, 2015 04:26:43   #
Marcus Johnson
 
missinglink wrote:
Well that ends this conversation. Now that you hold me in the same strata as rats that tells me all I need to know. No sense in discussing this further.
Good day


I sure like your style. :thumbup:

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May 21, 2015 07:12:14   #
okie don
 
Either we believe in the Bible or don't...
To me, it's a rule book, and outlines what is best for humanity.
Those who fail to abide will be judged accordingly.

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May 21, 2015 07:44:18   #
MatthewlovesAyn Loc: Ohio
 
Marcus Johnson wrote:
I always try to remain civil.

My point still is drop the word "marriage " for all.
Problem solved.

Including (especially) in the tax code. It's another of those areas where government intrusion has made matters worse. Marriage should be a matter of contract and/or religion.

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May 21, 2015 08:14:15   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
missinglink wrote:
Well that ends this conversation. Now that you hold me in the same strata as rats that tells me all I need to know. No sense in discussing this further.
Good day


If you believe that because some animals behave in those ways, then it is fine that humans do to, then it is you who hold yourself to the rat standard, not I. I hold you to a higher stand and know that you are worthy of being held to that standard if you want to be.

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May 21, 2015 08:26:22   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
I have absolutely no desire to be judged by you or whoever you think you are. God will indeed judge me. Not you.

no propaganda please wrote:
If you believe that because some animals behave in those ways, then it is fine that humans do to, then it is you who hold yourself to the rat standard, not I. I hold you to a higher stand and know that you are worthy of being held to that standard if you want to be.

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May 21, 2015 09:02:52   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
Thank you


Marcus Johnson wrote:
I sure like your style. :thumbup:

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May 21, 2015 10:04:39   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
josie wrote:
My opinion is that homosexuality is a biological, unnatural act. Leaving religious beliefs aside and if one must use the blame
game, Mother Nature would be first in line. As a natural act,
civilization would cease to be and you and I would not exist.

Marriage is the joining of two human beings of the opposite sex.
It is not an act of nature to take place between those of the same
sex. If love develops between those of the same sex and a
relationship forms, so be it. We have no laws that make it illegal.
Laws should be enacted to protect the rights of all individuals,
including those of same sex relationships. Passing a law or making
a court ruling to justify protection of those rights and calling it a
marriage in unacceptable.

Laws can be passed until the end of time and I would never accept
marriage between two of the same sex even if they were my own
children. Their relationship would not alter my love or respect but I
would never consider it a marriage no more than I would accept
laws passed to legalize marriage between siblings, parent and child, uncles and nieces etc and I could go on with this. I would
welcome my child and friend into my home as long as they acted
in a manner respectful of my beliefs. Knowing homosexual
individuals through the years have never been acquainted with one
that I would not consider my friend or that I would not welcome in
my home. I stop at marriage being acceptable.

There will come a time, probably after I have left this world that
this ruling or law will come back to bite. There will be legal challenges that have never before existed and reaching decisions
will not come without problems never before considered.

I am a firm believer in right and wrong. There is no grey in this
matter. It cannot go both ways and be faithful to Mother Nature
and her intentions.

Let someone, anyone, explain to me how two of the same sex
can grow civilization as we know it.
My opinion is that homosexuality is a biological, ... (show quote)


Josie: There is now a father who wants to marry his son....and a local court agrees!!!! God help us! :thumbup: :thumbup:

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May 21, 2015 11:36:01   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
josie wrote:
My opinion is that homosexuality is a biological, unnatural act. Leaving religious beliefs aside and if one must use the blame
game, Mother Nature would be first in line. As a natural act,
civilization would cease to be and you and I would not exist.

Marriage is the joining of two human beings of the opposite sex.
It is not an act of nature to take place between those of the same
sex. If love develops between those of the same sex and a
relationship forms, so be it. We have no laws that make it illegal.
Laws should be enacted to protect the rights of all individuals,
including those of same sex relationships. Passing a law or making
a court ruling to justify protection of those rights and calling it a
marriage in unacceptable.

Laws can be passed until the end of time and I would never accept
marriage between two of the same sex even if they were my own
children. Their relationship would not alter my love or respect but I
would never consider it a marriage no more than I would accept
laws passed to legalize marriage between siblings, parent and child, uncles and nieces etc and I could go on with this. I would
welcome my child and friend into my home as long as they acted
in a manner respectful of my beliefs. Knowing homosexual
individuals through the years have never been acquainted with one
that I would not consider my friend or that I would not welcome in
my home. I stop at marriage being acceptable.

There will come a time, probably after I have left this world that
this ruling or law will come back to bite. There will be legal challenges that have never before existed and reaching decisions
will not come without problems never before considered.

I am a firm believer in right and wrong. There is no grey in this
matter. It cannot go both ways and be faithful to Mother Nature
and her intentions.

Let someone, anyone, explain to me how two of the same sex
can grow civilization as we know it.
My opinion is that homosexuality is a biological, ... (show quote)


Good post. Facts are facts. Some of the decisions being made would have made the world a completely different place if they were from the beginning. Only one can intervene in nature for good purposes.

Patience is a virtue, tolerance winds up being acceptance. The so called political correctness is tolerance at its highest level and as you say, one day the results of tolerance will be devastating to mankind.

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May 21, 2015 12:18:19   #
Pap Pap Loc: Etna, PA
 
Marcus Johnson wrote:
Given the fact that homosexual acts in nature, are wide spread and very common. I think it's best to say that bi-sexuality is predominant form of sexuality on this planet.

Drop the word "marriage" and just go with :civil union ".
Just sayin.


"predominate" I don't think so although it does exist in small part.

There are quite a few people in this world I don't see it as dangerous to our continued civilization if 5% or so are homosexuals without progeny.

There are quite a few heterosexuals that do not and don't plan on having children. Should they be damned as well ? :? :? :?

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